Diamond Lake Derby Question?

[Medics-R-US]

I have been thinking about going to and participaiting in the derby but now im not so sure??? The entry form says it is a $100.00 per person?

Now my question is this. Is it really worth the fee and all as I have done this once before when a sponser said dinner and door prizes are included in the entry fee? Dinner was dry chicken and the door prises were were chaep coffee mugs that leaked.

Any input from you all that have been there and played before would be greatly appreciated. Another note is I have never fished Diamond Lake before so I would be going blind so to speak.

[boatman]

That is not the way kokaneepower does things. Good time lots of prizes and TON'S of fun. I belive that it is to much money, just my thought.

[jeepfrk9]

Originally Posted by Medics-R-US

I have been thinking about going to and participaiting in the derby but now im not so sure??? The entry form says it is a $100.00 per person?

Now my question is this. Is it really worth the fee and all as I have done this once before when a sponser said dinner and door prizes are included in the entry fee? Dinner was dry chicken and the door prises were were chaep coffee mugs that leaked.

Any input from you all that have been there and played before would be greatly appreciated. Another note is I have never fished Diamond Lake before so I would be going blind so to speak.

I'v been to most of the derbys they put on....lots of good people and a great time. I would be surprised if you wished you didnt go!

And diamond lake is stacked full or big fish...Ill tell you on sunday how to catch the winning fish!

[HiTide]

A hundred bucks is a LOT for a trout derby. Its the most expensive OR derby I know of other than the OTC which is a huge operation. At $100 per ticket and a hundred entrants (which is expected) that = $10k from ticket sales. After expenses, where do the profits go? Does Kokanee Power have any actual projects to help Diamond Lk trout?

[HiTechKoke]

A little searching will answer this question quite nicely...

http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?p=2718890

So Kokanee Power supports and plans to contribute to the Diamond Lake Management plan as posted in that thread. In addition KP is non profit and volunteer organization so all the profits go back to the fishery and other worthy causes. A charter of the organization can be found here:

http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?p=2718890

A $100 is a lot but the derbies are fund raisers to help support the fishery and to have some fun along the way. They have a very nice raffle and dinner as it's the last one of the year and will be a lot of fun I'm sure. In fact I'm so sure that I'm driving 7.5 hours one way to support the Oregon fishery and the cause... it doesn't hurt to be an original Oregonian as well. :-) Hope to see you there.

Kevin

[bassmaster]

i will be down there also fishing was slow last weekend with lots of wind and weeds are tall and thick gona be interesting since you can not anchor up for the tourny also lake was full of smoke from the tumblee fire i heard it triple in size todayso that will be interesting i hears there around 200 people not sure if thats true should be fun hope the wind dies down was 20mph predicted through sunday. whats you guys thoughts about not being to anchor when everyone power bait fishes the lake

[marshworm]

Originally Posted by bassmaster

i will be down there also fishing was slow last weekend with lots of wind and weeds are tall and thick gona be interesting since you can not anchor up for the tourny also lake was full of smoke from the tumblee fire i heard it triple in size todayso that will be interesting i hears there around 200 people not sure if thats true should be fun hope the wind dies down was 20mph predicted through sunday. whats you guys thoughts about not being to anchor when everyone power bait fishes the lake

bassmaster,
the issue of not being able to fish from an anchored or tethered boat plus no entrant can fish from the bank for me is very troublesome.

The fish in Diamond Lake are a public resource and as such should be made available to everyone that is lawfully licensed that wishes to fish for them. The BlackBird Tourney held earlier this year at Diamond had no such special restrictions as to how you could fish.

I have fished Diamond for over 50 years and don't troll. I don't fish tournaments either, but at least I could easily fish the tourney if I wanted to, as I have a boat. The part that really upsets me is this rule makes it more difficult for the less fortunate,ie. the kids, single mom's,the non boat owners, the disabled or wheel chair bound fisherman to particapate in the event.

I understand, acknowledge and commend Kokanee Power for its pledged financial support for the betterment of Diamond Lake and other Oregon fisheriesl also I want to acknowledge the ODFW for their restoration work and continued management of Diamond Lake

However with the no angling from bank or anchored watercraft rule which was proposed by KP and approved by the ODFW, I am draw a complete blank as to the rationale for this rule

I am left with only one question. With this being a public resource, paid for with public dollars why is not the State of Oregon fishing rules and regulations sufficient to regulate the method of fishing in this tourney?

[Fisherdaddy]

Originally Posted by marshworm

bassmaster,
the issue of not being able to fish from an anchored or tethered boat plus no entrant can fish from the bank for me is very troublesome.

The fish in Diamond Lake are a public resource and as such should be made available to everyone that is lawfully licensed that wishes to fish for them. The BlackBird Tourney held earlier this year at Diamond had no such special restrictions as to how you could fish.

I have fished Diamond for over 50 years and don't troll. I don't fish tournaments either, but at least I could easily fish the tourney if I wanted to, as I have a boat. The part that really upsets me is this rule makes it more difficult for the less fortunate,ie. the kids, single mom's,the non boat owners, the disabled or wheel chair bound fisherman to particapate in the event.

I agree, sounds almost disriminatory to me.

I understand, acknowledge and commend Kokanee Power for its pledged financial support for the betterment of Diamond Lake and other Oregon fisheriesl also I want to acknowledge the ODFW for their restoration work and continued management of Diamond Lake

However with the no angling from bank or anchored watercraft rule which was proposed by KP and approved by the ODFW, I am draw a complete blank as to the rationale for this rule

I am left with only one question. With this being a public resource, paid for with public dollars why is not the State of Oregon fishing rules and regulations sufficient to regulate the method of fishing in this tourney?

[Jedcraft]

Came by there yesterday and it was totally smoked out. Had to drive with your lights on with about 1/4 mile visiblility. Was like that 10miles in both directions. Hope the wind changes direction. Really bad.

[boatman]

It's their derby and they can make their own rules. THEY are not relling you how to fish. Do you want someone telling you how to fish your boat?

[Kendall]

Originally Posted by Jedcraft

Came by there yesterday and it was totally smoked out. Had to drive with your lights on with about 1/4 mile visiblility. Was like that 10miles in both directions. Hope the wind changes direction. Really bad.

That's the main reason why I decided not to go. The tripcheck camera up there seems to show that it looks decent at the moment, but it's a bit hard to tell. I sure do hope that it clears up for the derby. Of course it would also be nice if the firefighters can get those fires out too!

[marshworm]

Originally Posted by boatman

It's their derby and they can make their own rules. THEY are not relling you how to fish. Do you want someone telling you how to fish your boat?

You are so very right they are not saying HOW to fish they ARE saying if you don't have a boat, or access to one, or if you choose to still fish from an anchored boat then you ARE NOT welcome to enter the derby at all! That is the crux of my problem.

And actually I really just would like to know why this rule was put in and why they feel it was necessary. Also I am curious as to why the ODFW felt it was okay?

No biggy here. Just would like to understand, thats all.

[HiTide]

Originally Posted by marshworm

You are so very right they are not saying HOW to fish they ARE saying if you don't have a boat, or access to one, or if you choose to still fish from an anchored boat then you ARE NOT welcome to enter the derby at all! That is the crux of my problem.

And actually I really just would like to know why this rule was put in and why they feel it was necessary. Also I am curious as to why the ODFW felt it was okay?

No biggy here. Just would like to understand, thats all.

The no-anchor/no shorefishing rule is in all their derbies. The rationale I've heard is to prevent chumming. Which is already illegal. Most derbies cover that with a rule that all fishing regs are to be followed.
I have also heard that their core group only likes trolling as with the parent organization in Calif.
Another concern I have is that they have had a number of derbies over the last two years, and as of yet, members have told me they have seen no financial reports showing where the derby profits have gone. Before I cough up a hundred for a trout derby, I would like to have a better sense of what actual projects the derbies are funding. So far, I haven't heard of any specifics.

[marshworm]

Originally Posted by HiTide

The no-anchor/no shorefishing rule is in all their derbies. The rationale I've heard is to prevent chumming. Which is already illegal. Most derbies cover that with a rule that all fishing regs are to be followed.
I have also heard that their core group only likes trolling as with the parent organization in Calif.
Another concern I have is that they have had a number of derbies over the last two years, and as of yet, members have told me they have seen no financial reports showing where the derby profits have gone. Before I cough up a hundred for a trout derby, I would like to have a better sense of what actual projects the derbies are funding. So far, I haven't heard of any specifics.

[marshworm]

Originally Posted by HiTide

The no-anchor/no shorefishing rule is in all their derbies. The rationale I've heard is to prevent chumming. Which is already illegal. Most derbies cover that with a rule that all fishing regs are to be followed.
I have also heard that their core group only likes trolling as with the parent organization in Calif.
Another concern I have is that they have had a number of derbies over the last two years, and as of yet, members have told me they have seen no financial reports showing where the derby profits have gone. Before I cough up a hundred for a trout derby, I would like to have a better sense of what actual projects the derbies are funding. So far, I haven't heard of any specifics.

Good thoughts all HiTide
I must have missed the no anchored boat rule on the app's for the other KP derby's as I didn't notice it when I read them.

No doubt having a high degree of transperancy in their organization would go a long way in aleviating doubts and concerns, which understandbly , spring up around all non-profit organizations.

In this case I think it would make their membership recruitment much easier and calm the fears of all Oregon fishers, a group who are notoriuosly noted for their protective nature of the wonderful unmatched lake fishery we have in Oregon

Reading your excellent well thought out post, a thought came to mind.
Can you enter their derby's with out becoming a member?

[HiTide]

I just learned from a derby angler that some guys came to weigh in fish that were significantly bigger than any other participants. But they got disqualified for fishing at anchor and the big fish they brought in looked like they had been in the ice chest at least 24 hrs. Turns out that bait fishing on anchor was the only way to catch big fish. In our area, we actually got a derby cheater charged & convicted of grand theft. After that, we spread the prize money much further rather than having just a few win huge $'s. That reduces the temptation that attracts the crooks.

[bassmaster]

I fished the tourny with a freind he got 3rd. To shed light on the dq people. 4 guys from the same boat came in and went 1st thru 4th all big fish. Said they caught them drifting powerbait in the chese hole well the wind was strong and would of been pushing that boat as fast as trolling speeds atleast. Well turns out that night they where drinking at there camp ground and braggin about how they where at anchor well the bragged to the guy that runs the charter at diamond lake and the next morning where caught at anchor. They cut there anchor. But there anchor line was floating so kp pulled in the line to find a 5 gallon buket of rocks they tried saying they werent at first and caused a huge scene the sad part is they had a 15year old kid with them. Finally they did admit it andthen tried saying everyone was anchoring. Any way they where all dq. As for the weather smoke wasnt to bad sun was out but it was windy. Hard to even troll at times. It was alot of fun though. Fishing was very slow. Lots of little fish. Overall was a good event. Nice dinner and raffle prizes. They also had a tagged fish which we saw released that if caught would of won you a new boulton sled winning weight was around 6 pounds for 4 fish. Paid to 15th which was around 1.25 pounds a very slow fishing weekend but alot of fun

[MsOutdrs]

I heard that those trout-eating fish over the last couple of years have been introduced by someone fishing that derby thus causing the state to have to go to the expense of killing off everything in the lake and starting over at least twice. Is there any validity to that rumor?

[marshworm]

Originally Posted by MsOutdrs

I heard that those trout-eating fish over the last couple of years have been introduced by someone fishing that derby thus causing the state to have to go to the expense of killing off everything in the lake and starting over at least twice. Is there any validity to that rumor?

Hello MsOutdrs,

This is absolutely nothing more than the truth being repeated so many times that in the end it has become a total fabrication! Remember the game where 10-15 people sit in a circle and a something is stated by one person to the next, and next and by the time it gets back around its been changed! Bingo!

I learned from ODFW in August @ Diamond that the ODFW had planted a strain of fish in Diamond (in addiion to other types) that is noted for munching on shiners. They were trying to see if ay of these ish had in fat eaten any ofthe golden shiner that were illegally dumped ito the after restoration. I was told then that they had checked some of these double marked (adiose fin and the plate on the upper jaw removed) fish and had not found any signs of this occurring. The ODFW is doing this in an attempt to find a way to control the golden shiners, which according to other posts on ifish seem to have had a good breeding season with he numbers of fingerlings reported around the docks. Looking in the stmachs of the doble marked fish we caught in August would indicate that these "fish eaters" took the easy way out and gorged themselves on insect larvae.

Also as to a derby entrant planting these fish and the four that were disqualified for cheating, unfortunately these are the things that are encouraged by high payouts and big prizes, however I would hope that the actions of a few idiots doesn't reflect too harshly on Kokanee Power itself.

I have friends and relatives who belong and have had many private discussions with Greg of KP. While my thoughts and feelings about derby's being held at Diamond are 180 degrees from his I find him to be a basically honest hard working individual who does seem to have a realistic desire to help enhance the fisheries in Oregon

As always this is my

[dlm]

For those of you that do not like derbys, don't fish in them.

For those of you that want to change the way derby's are ran, join whatever organization that runs them and lobby for change.

For those of you that think someone is making a personal profit from KPO derbys, or that the money is going to CA, the books are open as it is a non-profit.

As far as protecting any particular lake where derbys are held, the ODFW keeps a close tab on these events and works closely with the sponsoring group. I trust them to put a stop to any practice that endangers a fishery, based on FACTS not internet rumors and assumptions.

Much of what I have read here reminds me of those that constantly complain about the government but never seem to find time to vote.

I fish derbys and look at them as much as a social event as a competition. I have met some wonderful people at derbys and have learned a great deal about kokanee fishing.

[MsOutdrs]

I apologize if my question appeared to be an indirect slam regarding derbies. I have never participated in them, too cheap to pay an entry fee..lol...but I don't have any feelings one way or the other about fishing derbies. Actually, my biggest slam, if that rumor had been true, was people trying any method possible to win, at the expense of Diamond Lake, and then leave without any concern or thought about what damage they may have done. It appears that is not the case.
Anyway, to those who are slated to participate in this derby...best of luck to you. Have a good time and "fish on"... Thanks for the info.

[Kendall]

Originally Posted by bassmaster

I fished the tourny with a freind he got 3rd. To shed light on the dq people. 4 guys from the same boat came in and went 1st thru 4th all big fish. Said they caught them drifting powerbait in the chese hole well the wind was strong and would of been pushing that boat as fast as trolling speeds atleast. Well turns out that night they where drinking at there camp ground and braggin about how they where at anchor well the bragged to the guy that runs the charter at diamond lake and the next morning where caught at anchor. They cut there anchor. But there anchor line was floating so kp pulled in the line to find a 5 gallon buket of rocks they tried saying they werent at first and caused a huge scene the sad part is they had a 15year old kid with them. Finally they did admit it andthen tried saying everyone was anchoring. Any way they where all dq. As for the weather smoke wasnt to bad sun was out but it was windy. Hard to even troll at times. It was alot of fun though. Fishing was very slow. Lots of little fish. Overall was a good event. Nice dinner and raffle prizes. They also had a tagged fish which we saw released that if caught would of won you a new boulton sled winning weight was around 6 pounds for 4 fish. Paid to 15th which was around 1.25 pounds a very slow fishing weekend but alot of fun

Well it's great to hear that those jerks were busted! Attempted robbery does sound like a reasonable charge for the Sheriff to make. But he was probably too busy bustin' people for trailer lights.

I'm just glad to hear that the smoke wasn't too bad.

Thanks for the report!

[marshworm]

Originally Posted by dlm

For those of you that do not like derbys, don't fish in them.

For those of you that want to change the way derby's are ran, join whatever organization that runs them and lobby for change.

For those of you that think someone is making a personal profit from KPO derbys, or that the money is going to CA, the books are open as it is a non-profit.

As far as protecting any particular lake where derbys are held, the ODFW keeps a close tab on these events and works closely with the sponsoring group. I trust them to put a stop to any practice that endangers a fishery, based on FACTS not internet rumors and assumptions.

Much of what I have read here reminds me of those that constantly complain about the government but never seem to find time to vote.

I fish derbys and look at them as much as a social event as a competition. I have met some wonderful people at derbys and have learned a great deal about kokanee fishing.

Good to hear your opinions dlm

Gotta love America huh

[jjelkhorn]

My wife and I fished in the derby and had a good time. We didn't weigh in her fish from Sunday figuring they wouldn't have been enough to get in the top 15 after seeing weights from Saturday. She would have had right at 2 lbs. Glad those guys got caught and hope they are banned from all KP derbies in the future.

[chartreuse moose]

The only way a tournament or derby can be run fair, is each boat needs a
referee on board. This is the way derby's and tournaments are run on the great lakes.

As long as money is in the mix there are always going to be those that do not
have any honesty or respect for others.

[bassmaster]

the sheriff was called and i dont know from there what happend the good thing about the derby is its a 2 fish a day weigh so you dont have people keeping fish after fish. it was my first kp tourny i thought it was a lot of fun some things werent perfect but what non profit organzation is i will be there next year for sure also a great way to get kids involved free for them to enter and they all win something. they are there for kids also which i give lots of kudos to that.

[russ parker]

Lots going on at the Diamond Lake Derby, mostly all good. A fun event, lots of great people and beautiful scenery. Yes there was the disqualification incident but I thought Greg and the whole Kokanee Power of Oregon group handled it well. My fishing partner came in 6th and it was really great to see how the kids were included (as mentioned above). The people at the resort were wonderful as well. If you want to learn more about Kokanee Power go to www.kokaneepower.org. There is information there about the organization both in California and in Oregon. Really take a look and you will see how valuable this group is to preserving the fisheries we enjoy today and ward off those who seek to shut them down.

[learntofishl]

Originally Posted by HiTide

I just learned from a derby angler that some guys came to weigh in fish that were significantly bigger than any other participants. But they got disqualified for fishing at anchor and the big fish they brought in looked like they had been in the ice chest at least 24 hrs. Turns out that bait fishing on anchor was the only way to catch big fish. In our area, we actually got a derby cheater charged & convicted of grand theft. After that, we spread the prize money much further rather than having just a few win huge $'s. That reduces the temptation that attracts the crooks.

we were fishig at diamond lake while derby was on. we saw the big fish brought in while we were resting at resort. the fish was still breathing, i dont know about you but fish dont breath after 24 hrs. i did not sign up for derby because i heard that the people who run it are in some club and they dont like outsiders winning there contest. so maybe if you read every comment on this sight you may realize its obvious you all pushed out the leaders because they had bigger fish than anybody. its sad to see the other weights of fish because we also caught big fish all day and it sounds like these members fish all the time and couldn't get bigger fish

[jeepfrk9]

Originally Posted by learntofishl

we were fishig at diamond lake while derby was on. we saw the big fish brought in while we were resting at resort. the fish was still breathing, i dont know about you but fish dont breath after 24 hrs. i did not sign up for derby because i heard that the people who run it are in some club and they dont like outsiders winning there contest. so maybe if you read every comment on this sight you may realize its obvious you all pushed out the leaders because they had bigger fish than anybody. its sad to see the other weights of fish because we also caught big fish all day and it sounds like these members fish all the time and couldn't get bigger fish

I have know idea what you are talking about, get your facts strait!
Weather the fish was still breathing has nothing to do if it was caught per the rules. You may think they got DQ'ed because they had the bigest fish but most ppl there that were playing buy the rules knew why.
KP even had the bucket of rocks they used to acnor and the rope they cut when the seen the KP boat. They had the OR #'s off the boat and 3 eye witnesses. And they even admitted to it.....
Now you said "its obvious you all pushed out the leaders"
Now how was that? Sounds like they didnt follow the rules?
I for one was glad they stood up to these guys and didn't let them rip the rest of us off, To many times ppl get away with this crap and dont get called out on it. They set a good example for the kids there.
There is no way to prevent every form of cheating, but it feels good when you see them get caught!
Say what you want...everything was not perfect but for a bunch a volunteers it was a good show.
JMO

[russ parker]

I'm not currently a member of kokanee power but I'll be taking care of that soon. They put no pressure on you to join but welcome you at their events. Rules are rules at whatever contest you are involved in. The rules were broken at this event, I saw the anchor bucket and cut rope with my own eyes. KP did the right thing. Now if you want to discuss effective methods of fishing for Diamond Lake, go ahead. But do not accuse KP of "fixing" this event so one of their "favorite club members" could win - that is B.S.

[learntofishl]

Originally Posted by jeepfrk9

I have know idea what you are talking about, get your facts strait!
Weather the fish was still breathing has nothing to do if it was caught per the rules. You may think they got DQ'ed because they had the bigest fish but most ppl there that were playing buy the rules knew why.
KP even had the bucket of rocks they used to acnor and the rope they cut when the seen the KP boat. They had the OR #'s off the boat and 3 eye witnesses. And they even admitted to it.....
Now you said "its obvious you all pushed out the leaders"
Now how was that? Sounds like they didnt follow the rules?
I for one was glad they stood up to these guys and didn't let them rip the rest of us off, To many times ppl get away with this crap and dont get called out on it. They set a good example for the kids there.
There is no way to prevent every form of cheating, but it feels good when you see them get caught!
Say what you want...everything was not perfect but for a bunch a volunteers it was a good show.
JMO

The orginal point to my post is the fish was still alive when weighed in and thy guy said it was brought in prior to the tourny in a sense. they admitted to achoring down. which obviously the rules werent clearly made aware to people on the no anchore rule if multiple people were doing such.
They admitted to anchoring down, not using a bucket of rocks for an "anchor" get Your facts straight.
also u may have seen the bucket of rocks and rope. did they have THAT type of rope on their boats, when they asked KP they didnt give an answer or try to let them defend themselves.
All kp had to do is pull the aside and ask "hey did u guys anchor down", scene avoided. instead they have to instantly go acussing people of cheating. Not very professional on their part.
its fine that they were DQ but, they could have done it a complete different way instead of doing it in front of the whole derby.
i had been fishing close by when the boat found the bucket, normally when you are looking for a "lost anchor" you dont go directly to the spot, stop and pull it up... sounds fishy to me.

[jeepfrk9]

Originally Posted by learntofishl

The orginal point to my post is the fish was still alive when weighed in and thy guy said it was brought in prior to the tourny in a sense. they admitted to achoring down. which obviously the rules werent clearly made aware to people on the no anchore rule if multiple people were doing such.
They admitted to anchoring down, not using a bucket of rocks for an "anchor" get Your facts straight.
also u may have seen the bucket of rocks and rope. did they have THAT type of rope on their boats, when they asked KP they didnt give an answer or try to let them defend themselves.
All kp had to do is pull the aside and ask "hey did u guys anchor down", scene avoided. instead they have to instantly go acussing people of cheating. Not very professional on their part.
its fine that they were DQ but, they could have done it a complete different way instead of doing it in front of the whole derby.
i had been fishing close by when the boat found the bucket, normally when you are looking for a "lost anchor" you dont go directly to the spot, stop and pull it up... sounds fishy to me.

Did you miss the eye witness part, I dont understand how you could defend this. The facts are stacked kinda heavy. Eye witnessed by not only kp officals but also other people. Bragging in there camp ground...more witnesses...the bucket of rocks with eye witnesses of them CUTTING the rope...more witnesses...admit they did...witnesses themselves....You try to make this sound like they MADE them cheat and its KP and the other fisherman's fault they got caught. O poor cheaters.
They were mad cuz they got caught. Everyone there knew that.
All they said to them was we seen u anchor...we seen u cut your rope..we cant weight your fish. We all knew you could not anchor..it was clear in the rules. What did you want them so say...buy them a beer...rub there back and say everything is gonna be all right.
They tried to rip everyone off! Sorry you dont see that.

FYI...OJ really did do it!

[Rick on Rogue]

:lurk: This could be another good one.

[MsOutdrs]

Originally Posted by Rick on Rogue

:lurk: This could be another good one.

Nahhh..the mods will rachet this down probably soon. But I'll join you in watching till they do...:lurk:

[marshworm]

[QUOTE=jeepfrk9;2748259]Did you miss the eye witness part, I dont understand how you could defend this. The facts are stacked kinda heavy. Eye witnessed by not only kp officals but also other people. Bragging in there camp ground...more witnesses...the bucket of rocks with eye witnesses of them CUTTING the rope...more witnesses...admit they did...witnesses themselves....You try to make this sound like they MADE them cheat and its KP and the other fisherman's fault they got caught. O poor cheaters.
They were mad cuz they got caught. Everyone there knew that.
All they said to them was we seen u anchor...we seen u cut your rope..we cant weight your fish. We all knew you could not anchor..it was clear in the rules. What did you want them so say...buy them a beer...rub there back and say everything is gonna be all right.
They tried to rip everyone off! Sorry you dont see that.

Hey Guys

You know when you boil the emotion out of this there really is nothing left but the simple truth.

Its KP's tourney. They have the right, with ODFW approval, to make rules beyond the ODFW regulations for their event. If they choose not to allow anchoring up then the responsibility of enforcement is also their responsibility and they will also have to deal with the social impacts should they make the call to DQ someone for breaking the rules.

So really the choice is theirs, hold their tourney's anywhere, anytime with ODFW approval using ODFW rules or if they choose to make a few rules of their own....well where there is money involved things will happen like this and all it does is distract from the good times.

I'm sure this was not a pleasant thing for anyone, but you got to admit it is a clear case of self infliction on both parties part.

Never did make sense to me to set yourself up for a fall

[russ parker]

http://www.kokaneepower.org/derbies/20090926.pdf

#1 listed on the derby rules is that the contestants know the rules which are quite clearly spelled out.
I guess it is like being in an auto accident that is not your fault, but when the insurance companies get involved they assign you a percentage of blame for being there.

[FallRiverGuy]

I have been watching this thread since it started. Every time I read it I get sadder because of the tenor of this thread.

Being a part of KP and having attended derbies, I can honestly say that KP is a good organization and it has good people with good hearts. KP wants to make a difference and to enhance fishing in Oregon. Monies from the derbies go back into projects and programs to assist ODFW.

If you have not attended a derby or have not attended a KP meeting I encourage you to do so before making opinions about the organization or the people. Getting involved is a more productive way to make a positive change than commenting on an internet fishing form.

[chartreuse moose]

Yes I agree with Fall River. I am a member as well and KP has done wonders
for our California fishery. The problem I see, it is new to Oregon and there are a lot of skeptics . Please wait and see before you make your judgment

KP has pen projects on Shasta Lake with the Eagle Lake trout. They along with a number of the harbors have done a great job of getting this fish
in Shasta Lake. They released at 3 to 5 lb per fish from the pens. The pens and labor are all paid by KP from derby money.

[bassmaster]

The poeple that where caught where at there camp site bragging they where gona take these fools money. where they where camping next to the guy that runs the charter at diamond lake. they new they where cheating and they had a 15 year old kid involved great role models there