Death sentence upheld

1pump · 10-24-2003, 02:28 PM

As a rule, I don't support capital punishment but this guy I won't shed any tears for:
Death sentence upheld

Marion Carl was one of many heroes in the Pacific who took everything the Japanese could throw at him and came back for more.

Then he gets killed by some punk who needed a car.

Marion Carl

It's a little early for Veteran's Day, but we Oregon citizens should show our gratitude by giving this scumbag the needle.

fishbane · 10-24-2003, 02:55 PM

Boy this is a hard one.
The death sentence is hard. On one hand you have the bundies of the world.
On the other you have the bush family executing retards.

I come from a naval aviator family. 3 aces 1 american, 1 british and 1 canadian( he jumped the border to fight) then after max missions on spits flew the hump. All ww2 vets. and yes my birthday is 11/11.

But still i think it does more damage to keep these people in prison for life then to kill them.

I think they all should get a taste of what they inflicted and kept alive to taste some more. But that is not american justice.
what if the accused is trulely innocent though?
This has has been proven to happen also. People have been executed and later proven innocent.

where do we draw the line?
I have no answer for sure. As a parent or a family member.

CATCH AND EAT · 10-24-2003, 03:05 PM

Why is it always the Bush's Fault?

This is a bit tiresome to hear this over and over and over again. I got an idea here...it's the next presidents fault. Let's just pass the buck on please. Further more since abortion is still legal let's make that Jr's fault too. And my truck ain't running right so maybe George sold me faulty oil. Dang that guy anyways. [img]graemlins/icon_argue.gif[/img]

It's Friday. Think happy thoughts. :smile:

GOT2FISH · 10-24-2003, 03:20 PM

I sadly think that some pepole dont value life and freedom very much and to these pepole life in prison would proubly be easier than there day to day egistance. Prission however terrifing to us has become more civilized over the years and frankly I think the death penalty has proubly done more to promote crime than to detur it.Let the punisment fit the crime!! God forbid some one did somthing like this to one of my Daughters [Id save you all a lot of tax dollars]I know I would not be satified with a stick of the needle being the only pain the person felt.I may be way off base but I personaly belive the fear of the gas chamber and electric chair did alot to prevent some of the things were seeing today.P.S. Im not a violent man and I do have compassion but when it comes to family how many of us can look some one in the eye and say I forgive you?

lost_sailor · 10-24-2003, 03:54 PM

I used to be all in favor of the death penalty. Then in the course of a rousing (tavern) discussion, someone made the argument that when you kill the guy, his suffering is over - no more punishment. (Unless you want to count on some religious, afterlife deal - which certainly can wait a few years!) As long as he's alive, you can make him miserable.

I don't know, I hate spending money to feed and house the scum of the world. I'm thinking our prisons should get A LOT nastier.

GOT2FISH · 10-24-2003, 04:14 PM

Okay point taken but what happens when there up for parole and how do you convince the victims family that his misurry is eqaul to theres after the loss of a loved one???

10-24-2003, 04:15 PM

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On the other you have the bush family executing retards.

#1. He needed it
#2. The proper name is "Special Needs"

What a ....

LS, [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

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I don't know, I hate spending money to feed and house the scum of the world. I'm thinking our prisons should get A LOT nastier.

[ 10-24-2003, 05:24 PM: Message edited by: Keta ]

MightyMo · 10-24-2003, 04:32 PM

Years of imprisonment = Hundreds of thousands of dollars for these guys to watch tv, work out and get 3 meals a day. I can't say most hard working stiffs can afford the luxuries convicts have. I say buy a $5.00 rope and lets get busy.

10-24-2003, 04:36 PM

$.50 bullet and bill the family. Worked in the Soviet Union.

Birdnest · 10-24-2003, 04:39 PM

It's basic math. Much more expensive to execute
(multiple costly appeals) some idiot than house them forever. I am with Lost Sailor on this one, make them go to their room and think about it...for the rest of their lives.

Joe

GOT2FISH · 10-24-2003, 04:45 PM

Heres a thought Let The Victims Family Decide Whats Right.It seems to me the crimanl has more rights than the victim or there family!

Birdnest · 10-24-2003, 05:01 PM

The offenders are offered a great deal of protection, while it seems the victim/family are left hanging in the wind.

It probably has to be this way. If the state is going accept the responsibility of executing a person, they must do everything in their power to ensure they have the right person.

Unfortunately, the victim/family are left alone to put the pieces back together. :depressed:

Joe

crabbait · 10-24-2003, 10:10 PM

I agree Birdnest. The appeal process is so totally messed up.

When we are certain (and I mean there is NO doubt) that we have the right guy, then we should waste no time in getting the individual his chance to appeal to a higher power, if you know what I mean.

Guilty! BANG, next.

Cool Texan · 10-24-2003, 10:25 PM

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Originally posted by crabbait:
I agree Birdnest. The appeal process is so totally messed up.

When we are certain (and I mean there is NO doubt) that we have the right guy, then we should waste no time in getting the individual his chance to appeal to a higher power, if you know what I mean.

Guilty! BANG, next.

That is where the appeals process comes in though....you cant always know with "no doubt" that the person is guilty. Therefore, you get to appeal and appeal and appeal. I wish it was that easy, cuz I'd really like the approach. Make it more swift, more severe, and lets stop screwing around.

While I know that Dub is not very well liked on this board, he had a great one liner a while back when being interviewed about Texas executing so many people, and couldnt "we" (Texas residents) just do away with the death penalty. His response was along the lines of "You want to do away with it? Its simple...dont kill anyone in my state!" I've always liked that approach. :grin:

pathetic novice · 10-24-2003, 10:42 PM

Having not yet had the pleasure of prison, I don't know much about it. But they could surely be run much cheaper if certain factions would realize that there is NO SUCH THING AS OVERCROWDING!!!! "This facility only has 400 beds, so we had to release the least dangerous offenders". WRONG! It should be "This facility only has 400 beds, so the rest of these maggots can fight over floor space to sleep; if they think this is cruel and unusual, too damn bad. ****, murder, assault, selling meth, burglarizing my house, etc. is pretty *******' cruel and unusual too! Oh, but wait.... they have "constitutional rights". Not in my world, pal. The day you beat the old woman and stole her purse, you forfeited every right a human should have. If this is too hardcore for some gentle souls, perhaps you'll prefer Plan B:
"Three time convicted felon John Doe (my apologies to anyone really named John Doe) must be released because of prison overcrowding. He will be released at exactly 10:00 AM May 12th, on the northwest corner of Elm Street and 1st Avenue, wearing an orange jumpsuit and flipflops." Now John Doe's victims or their families and friends could just rip on down to 1st and Elm and, VOILA! Justice is served! Man, I should be the president or something.....

fishbane · 10-25-2003, 10:55 AM

Catch and eat
I never said this was a bush problem just pointing out that they are top the executioners. They both have executed men later found inncocent.

So now I challenge you to write a letter to the family of an innocent man executed. Who later was found innocent by DNA eveidence. Lets it see here on this board what you would say to them.

2LEYS · 10-26-2003, 12:43 AM

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When we are certain (and I mean there is NO doubt) that we have the right guy,

I have always agreed with this statement. But for them to be in prison at all they are supposed to be found guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. But I think with all the technology out there for crime solving that the death penalty will execute a lot less innocents. Maybe make it so you can not execute someone on circumstantial evidence?

Fishbane. I am sure that Bush Sr and Jr are the only ones to ever execute an innocent. And is it their fault or the court that convicted them? I am pretty sure that neither of them have ever presided over a court.

10-26-2003, 06:00 AM

fishbane,
Again you are blinded by your politics.

Was Bush on the jury?
Was Bush the judge?
Was Bush the prosecutor?
Was Bush one of the judges that made the rulings on the appeals?
I don't think so!!

Maybe he was the operator of the powerhouse that supplied the electricity for the electric chair.

Come on, get real.

Albacore Tuna Captain · 10-26-2003, 07:04 AM

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Originally posted by fishbane:
Catch and eat
I never said this was a bush problem just pointing out that they are top the executioners. They both have executed men later found inncocent.

Fishbane you must take a harder look at how a state is run. The Governor represents the people who elected him and put him there to carry out their wishes. If the people don't want to execute someone, they can change the law. I agree that even one innocent person dying out of hundreds executed is too much. But that is why we have such a lengthy appeals process to try and avoid doing this. Stick to the issue but don't blame it on a single person. Your hatred shows through and it lowers others respect for your point of view.

Mike