Fishbane tips his hat to state and local cops

[fishbane]

this is hard for me.
I don't care much for cops. I know they have have a very hard job. Allot are good and allot are bad cop power trippers or just down right corrupt. In big towns and small.

But this needs a big applause!!!

155 suspects picked up in our state alone for diiferent domestic abuse charges including sex abuse in a large sweep.

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http://www.kgw.com/news-local/storie....3451daba.html

[CATCH AND EAT]

Have ya been listening to the news lately? Man the perverts are out in force right now. Folks, be careful out there and watch your kid closely. Not sure why the sudden influx of these people but man....lock the garbage up.

Thanks for the information Fishbane.

[Miss B Haven]

I heard this this morning but I really don't get it. It peeved me. Why were there 155 known cases of abuse out there in the first place? Why weren't these guys (or gals?) thrown in jail when it was first reported. [img]graemlins/stupid.gif[/img] They only arrest abuse cases on Fridays before Halloween and when Daylight savings ends? [img]graemlins/dork.gif[/img]
This ain't like a drug sting where they get info from a buncha sources then bust 'em all at once to get the whole ring!
PS- Can't read the article unless you sign up! That peeves me too! I guess it's one of those days.

[Thumper]

Me too Mel. It all sucks! [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img]

[fishbane]

Yeah the sign up thing burns me too.
Just make sure to uncheck any advo box.

Domestic violence is truely and a leading cause to gun violence in this country. I know allot of folks want to call it race/gang issue but thats not true either. There are a number of factors.
Some say doestic violence is the leading cause some say gang violence.

I like the him or her statement. Miss b

Once again the world and people have not changed in 10 thousand years. There have always been many pervs out there. Small town and large. In church and boy scouts and not.
We just didn't hear about it as much due to media technology.

[foxer]

They all were picked up on outstanding warrants, ie they didnt show for court or were not around when the abuse was reported. Mult county has something like 6,000 active criminal warrants, Wash county 4,500.

[Birdnest]

It always gets my goat when they do the local offender list on public access. They give some info on the guy and the last sentence is always..."high risk to reoffend".

Why can't we pass legislation that is capable of containing these people. I am not saying you have to chain them to a wall forever, but don't we have a right to live separtely from these animals?

Joe

[24 on/ 48 off]

Every cop, DA and judge would agree with ya. It's all about $$$.

--spud-- :smile:

[MightyMo]

I think some of us are tired of hearing "it's about the money". Last time I checked I have paid my taxes every year since I was first employed. I don't wanna hear what can't be done anymore.

[crabbait]

The money is in drug busts, not wife bashers and kiddie pervs. Let a few pot smokers out and you would have room for the willy wagglers.

[k9jeff]

Pot smokers?????? I was unaware it was really a crime in oregon......Possession of less than an ounce is a violation...like getting a traffic ticket,,, unless you have a medical marijuana card,,, or have applied for a card,,,,

These were all people with warrants, or who were in violations of their probation conditions.

There are sweeps done on a regular basis which no one hears about on the news. Sex offender sweeps happen all the time!!! Most of the people who were contacted were people who were convicted of domestic violence laws....


We need a tent city like in Arizona.......

[Silver Hilton]

Originally posted by k9jeff:
Pot smokers?????? I was unaware it was really a crime in oregon

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">I don't know about Oregon, but nationwide there are more people in jail for drug crimes than Europe has jailed for all crimes.

If we reformed that situation, we'd have jailhouse room for some long sentences that would actually get served. As it is, there was a piece on the tube just last night about how repeat drunk drivers are getting sent back out on the street, because the jails are full of pot growers are serving mandatory minimum sentences.

The point of that story was to conclude that, if sentences were mere severely imposed on these folks, that we'd see less drunk driving (and sex offenders). I don't know that I agree with that logic, as it is not supported by our current experience. The various three strikes laws haven't reduced crime much. Unfortunately, drunks and sex offenders are already so dysfunctional that they usually aren't rational enough to evaluate the risk of punishment.

If we lock these people up, we reduce the re-offense rate, but boy, it's expensive. We really need an alternative like a separate colony where the offenders can be sent to live. Kinda like what Australia used to be for the british. Prison is a very expensive option, and capital punishment for all offenders probably won't fly constitutionally.

[1pump]

The various three strikes laws haven't reduced crime much.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Yeah, no kidding. If you have an ingrained criminal personality, then you're a criminal, period. Deterrence has very little effect on some people.
A couple of years ago my car was vandalized, and the guy was caught. He already had two felonies, and Clackamas county charged him with felony criminal mischief, which would have made three strikes. He was looking at doing ten years for keying my car. Would've been fine with me.
The DA, against my strenuous objections, allowed him to plea down to a misdemeanor and pay restitution, which I still haven't seen. [img]graemlins/eek13.gif[/img]
What's the point in a three-strike law if you don't put some teeth in it?

[fishbane]

Half the people in jail are in for drug offences
one reason we can't keep more real offenders in jail is do to ashcroft and the feds.
If it's a drug case they do time. Tommy chong is doing time for bong sales. Nothing about possesion or any real drugs. No guns or violence just an old hippie trying to make a buck selling glass.

I believe all drug users and alcoholics should get one chance at confined rehab then be out in life. Unless it is a **** or murder case.

Let me give you a recent example of police mind set. This is in part do to ashcroft and the roll down from feds.

An old friend of mine died of a heart attack while getting ready to go out for lunch with his girlfriend. She called 911 it was to late. he was 43. overwieght and out of shape.

Now when he was a teenager he was a skinhead with a drinking problem for 2 years. he was never busted or convicted of anything. He checked himself into rehab and never drank again, he also changed his skinhead ways and became a hippie peace lover.
Well since the cops knew at one time he was afffilated with white supremists 20 years ago they siad he was a potenial terrorist and may have ties to meth. He never did any speed in the 25 years i knew him. They trashed his placed with out a warant, he had over a thousand cash in his wallet for the rent moneyorder they were going to get while on the way to lunch. this money was not returned and the portland cops said it was never in his wallet even though 2 witnesses say it was.

The cops feel they can get away with this behavior even more now do to the fact ashcroft is in charge.

Did my friend make mistakes as teenager yes he did. we tried to steer him away from east side white pride but he wouldn't listen at first.
Did he change his ways YES he did.

Did he and his family deserve what the portland cops gave them. No they didn't.

We really need to lock up the real crimanals the violent ones and throw away the key. high level meth makers and dealers.
It's a fact most sex offenders can't be rehabilitated. they are set free while jail space is taken up by so called drug offenders that were never given any chance to sober up tell they were in prison doing hard time.

Potheads are easy to catch come on they are on a stupid stone. They make the police and fed numbers look good. Tweekers are a different story and they tend to be unstable and violent and hardder to catch.

[Thumper]

Originally posted by fishbane:
Half the people in jail are in for drug offences one reason we can't keep more real offenders in jail is do to ashcroft and the feds ..... Let me give you a recent example of police mind set. This is in part do to ashcroft and the roll down from feds.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Yeah. Danged Ashcroft and Bush. It's their fault.

[Albacore Tuna Captain]

Originally posted by fishbane:
The cops feel they can get away with this behavior even more now do to the fact ashcroft is in charge.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Again you are showing your political hatred and losing your respectibility in regard to the issues. Cops are people, some good, some not. To say that the bad ones feel they can get away with it because of Ashcroft is wrong and does a diservice both to the individual, good cops and yourself. Quit trying to blame all sociatal wrongs on the Republicans. There are some bad ones and some good ones. Just like some bad Democrates and some good ones.

Mike

The cops feel they can get away with this behavior even more now do to the fact ashcroft is in charge.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">You can blame what the Portland Police do on Vera Katz. She is one of Ashcroft's most devoted folowers

Ashcroft doesn't have much say with the Klamath County Sheriff and I think that the OSP answers to the Governor of Oregon. I don't think that Ashcroft tells K9's boss what to do either. In fact I would be willing to bet you big bucks that my little brother has more say in what happens in the Keiser Police Department than Ashcroft does (right Jeff?).


Life must be tough for you, having to deal with all of your hate for "Rural Hicks" and other Republicans.

What happened to your "Liberal Tolerance" for diversity?

Thanks again for making it SO EASY.

[ 10-26-2003, 09:19 AM: Message edited by: Keta ]

[Silver Hilton]

I completely agree that we cannot blame the current criminal justice system on the Republicans. As much as I think John Ashcroft is a poor and destructive choice for his role, the situation that we are in has been building for at least a generation. It predates him, and was developing when he and Bush were still in college, dodging the draft. The laws have been developed by both Congress and the initiative process, and we the people are at the root of both of those processes. So, if we don't like where we are, we can only blame ourselves.

As Will Rogers once said, "People generally get the kind of government that they deserve."

[Albacore Tuna Captain]

As Will Rogers once said, "People generally get the kind of government that they deserve." [/QB]

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Here here!!! [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

[ 10-26-2003, 07:42 PM: Message edited by: Albacore Tuna Captain ]

[Silver Hilton]

Problem, is, I'm still trying to figure out what it was I did to deserve this.

[Straydog]

Originally posted by Silver Hilton:
Problem, is, I'm still trying to figure out what it was I did to deserve this.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Right on! [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

EDIT: Dang, it just came to me........ I did vote for Bush!! :blush: :blush:

[ 10-26-2003, 09:32 PM: Message edited by: Straydog ]