New World Record Rainbow or....

[bendtbbucsfan]

Genetically engineered monster? You make the call

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/20...npu=1&mbid=yhp

[veilside180sx]

Either way...that thing is massive.

[fish-on-bend]

A legally caught world record rainbow. I see no controversy whatsoever. Congrats to the Konrad twins for breaking their own record. I have read several articles on these guys. They are super-dedicated fishermen who have it dialed in on their home lake. Kudos all around.
If the purists want to make a seperate category for triploids, thats fine in my book, its still a world record though.

[marshworm]

Originally Posted by fish-on-bend

A legally caught world record rainbow. I see no controversy whatsoever. Congrats to the Konrad twins for breaking their own record. I have read several articles on these guys. They are super-dedicated fishermen who have it dialed in on their home lake. Kudos all around.
If the purists want to make a seperate category for triploids, thats fine in my book, its still a world record though.

Right on FOB
These guys have acquired the one neccessary long sought after ingredient to becoming successful at anything....mental toughness!
The fish they catch are huge and it is unimportant whether they are an engineered species. These guys use these fish as a scorecard on how the are progessing at becoming good fisherman. Aways raising the bar on yourself means you are trying to be better than you are. The way these boys play their game reminds me of a few others like Jordan,Woods,Federer,Petty,Ruth etc. etc. etc........
My bet is they really don't give a rip about world records

[elkgunner]

I don't know what I am about to start, but...

I don't care whether it was engineered or not it is a great catch and I would be very proud. If, however, they do move it into a separate category then wouldn't that mean that all other hunting and fishing sports records would need to be separated as well.

For example:

Elk World Records:

1. Fair Chase Public Lands
2. Fair Chase Private Lands/Hunting clubs
3. Private Lands with High Fence
4. etc.

What do you think?

[Luni]

Well, the problem with it is, if that was a normal fish, not a triploid, it may have been less inclined to take the bait they threw at it, etc. Not saying it would, just saying its a possibility, and thats what the "purists" are crying about.

Props to him for catching it tho. Its a good looking fish, specially for a triploid. Ive seen some pretty odd looking triploids, that seemed to grow at a rate higher than their bodies would allow, so you end up with some goofy fat looking fish. This one looks pretty good and balanced.

[Joe C]

Needs an *

[Derrel]

I have to agree-the record needs an asterisk behind it...look at the fins on that thing! Bent, ratty, frayed, from having spent its early life in a hatchery holding pond. The thing is sterile,and energy it would have spent on reproducing was devoted to...eating and growing fat.

This is almost like raising a whitetail buck in an enclosed area, and feeding it all it can eat of scientifically-formulated, nutrient loaded,species-specific pellet food, while also keeping any and all predators away from the animal. Instead of spending energy during the rut chasing females or fighting off other males, he hangs out and eats all day long,safe from predators,and enjoying his human delivered food. Then, after he's seven or eight years old, the fence is torn down, and he slips out,and is then shot by a hunter 1/2 a mile away.

"Monster whitetail world record buck killed." *

*fed formulated food and reared in captivity first 85% of lifetime

My goodness, this new world record fish deserves an asterisk, big-time. I bet I could land a new world record trout on 4 lb test if I fished at some fish hatchery rearing ponds,and managed to land "ole' Sally" in her 10th year. Would anybody consider a pen-reared whitetail buck a new record if the animal had been raised in captivity, and then escaped? Barry Bonds indeed.
* all the way.

[fish-on-bend]

"My goodness, this new world record fish deserves an asterisk, big-time. I bet I could land a new world record trout on 4 lb test if I fished at some fish hatchery rearing ponds,and managed to land "ole' Sally" in her 10th year. Would anybody consider a pen-reared whitetail buck a new record if the animal had been raised in captivity, and then escaped? Barry Bonds indeed.
* all the way. " .........not quite Derrel.



I don't buy the asterisk arguement, maybe a sub-species classification. This fish was not exactly raised in captivity. I don't diminish the Konrad's skills at all. As I stated above, I've read stories and reports from guys who have fished with them. This is NOT the same as opening the gate for the white tail and blasting it. Even Barry Bonds home runs cleared the fence and counted as runs.......and I personally can't stand him.
Read the story of their 1st record, reference is made to the "thousands of hours" they spent chasing these things, and "getting skunked 20 times in a row." My hat is off to them.
http://www.fieldandstream.com/photos...record?photo=0
You have to keep clicking "next"....there are 7 pages of text.

[pontoonbandit]

Regardless, that thing is ! Congrats to the angler.

[dlm]

Originally Posted by fish-on-bend

"
http://www.fieldandstream.com/photos...record?photo=0
You have to keep clicking "next"....there are 7 pages of text.

Great article. I think I would be putting a gps device on their rig and find that honey hole.

[Herring Problem]

All I want to know, how does the darn thing taste?

Looks like it couild be real good on the smoker!

[sucker]

YUM!!!

[browntroutclown]

I think that catch it isn't that big of a deal. Triploid fish should be in their own league. I could see if that lake didn't always kick out a big fish but during one of their recent interviews(on their site) they say that catching fish over 30 pounds is pretty common. Now if these fish didn't escape pins we wouldn't be talking about a new world record. None genetic altered fish would never get that big. Human intervention and the accidental release of these fish produced the record. Not much skill involved if you are consistantly catching 30 to 40 pound fish from Lake Diefenbaker. These guys fish almost daily and it was just a matter of time before they catch another genetic altered world record. Talking about fish on ROIDS these fish got into Lake Diefenbaker 9 years ago and if I do the math right their growth rate that 5.33 pounds per year they grow. That isn't normal. Ask yourself this question; do you think Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriguez, and Mark Mcquire should have their names in the record books without an asterisk? When they did ROIDS it wasn't against MLB rules. The will not make the hall of fame either. The record books need to have some kind of integerity and that goes along with fishing too.

[SilverBullets]

Very well said.

[SuperxJeff]

The two are good fishermen and should be respected for their efforts but these fish are not the same rainbows that the rest of us fish for. The fish do not deserve to be in the record book. It's black and white for me. I don't need somebody's politically correct approval. It's B*&%S*&$t plain and simple. Rainbow trout reproduce. These fish do not. How on earth can you call them the same thing? These fine young men should have a world record for mutant freak rainbow trout that don't breed and just eat.
I hope nobody construes my words as being against the young men as I am not in any way. My disdain is for the record keeping people.

[Kokonuts]

....... That fish is a freak as far as the Record Book goes. It should be in a seperate class!

[bwild]

It's an impressive catch. Congrats to the Konrad Twins (aka Fishing Geeks) again

I agree that it is a world record, but agree that it should be a different class. Not dissimilar to any other species of trout, whether it be a hybrid or genetically enhanced trout.

Look at all the different strains of rainbows. You got your typical pelletheads, your Kamaloops, your Gerrards, etc.

Same goes for German Browns. We have some fantastic ones here in Oregon, however, go to the Great Lakes with the seeforellen strain. Those things look like salmon (see the earlier post of the 41 lber that was caught a couple weeks ago.). Is it a world record? Absolutely. Should it have it's own class? I think so, but I don't think it should be cheapened by saying it's not a world record.

The case with these triploids in Canada is a unique circumstance as these fish "escaped" from a hatchery. I do think they should be considered a different strain in the record books, but is a World Record Rainbow.

Now, the credibility of these men of whether they are good anglers or not? They absolutely are. They just happen to live at the location of where these incredibly-sized fish are. I'm sure, just like any other angler out there, they had to figure out through trials and tribulations on what works best to harvest these beasts. Because they say it's not a big deal to catch 30+ lb rainbows isn't a testament that they're poor anglers. I think it reinforces the fact that they're very good anglers that have figured out the correct tactics and techniques to harvest their intended quarry. It just so happens they're a monstrous (albeit genetically enhanced) rainbow trout.

In one of the earlier threads, I saw that it would be like going to a hatchery pond. C'mon. Really? Have you seen the size of Lake Diefenbaker? Now, if these monster fish are in one specific area, this is more of a testament to the Konrads knowing on where to go, again, reinforcing my point that they are good anglers. I don't know of many others that are catching these beasts up there that aren't guided and/or friends of the Konrads.

I tip my hat to you, Adam and Sean. It is a world-record triploid Rainbow (and a monster at that). It should be recognized as such.

I know, a little more than . Sorry

[browntroutclown]

Bwild,
I respectfully disagree with one on a couple of points. I believe with modern technology that these GENTICALLY ALTERED TRIPLOIDS need to have a line drawn when it comes to Records. IF these fish can get to 50#'s I am sure some professor will come up with a way real soon to make these fish even grown bigger. Altered is the key word here. I do not think that a lake the constantly kicks out fish 30 to 50 pounds is any thing special especially for a world record. Prior to the accidental escape of these gentic altered freaks of fish,Lake Diefenbaker never produced anything near this size of rainbows.

As far as the new world record brown trout is concerned it is not of the seeforellen strain at all. This is the same brown trout that we catch in Oregon. This new world record is called a Domestic brown. The are very different from the seeforellen strain. The domestic brown spot patterns are distinctively different because the have halos just like the ones we are use to catching. The seeforellen strain almost looks the same as a salmon and their skin pigment never changes, they will always be silver. The domestic strain will turn to "fall colors" on the majority of spawning fish. The Great Lakes and their tributaries are just like the old days of the Flamming Gorge. Bobs Bringhurst world record 33 pounds came out of there now it has cycled over to the Great Lakes. Here is pictures of the two different browns



This brown trout is of the domestic strain. It is golden, spot patterns has halos

this is the seeforellen strain. Very silver, spot patterns are very distinct a

[CWOregon]

I say that these guys obviously know what they are doing at their local lake and we should give them props. If it was so easy to catch 40+ lb rainbows (even if they are genetic freaks), then the twins would not have the two largest ever caught by anybody in the world!!!

Should there be separate "classes" for these fish......maybe, but I dont think any of us will have much impact on that happening nor do I care if it does. That doesnt take anything away from these fisherman though.

Lets just admire a very nice fish and not worry about where it falls in the record books. I doubt anybody on this site will catch the next world record whether the "classes" are separated or not. Kinda like the Spider Bull, lets not be jealous!!!

[bwild]

Originally Posted by CWOregon

I say that these guys obviously know what they are doing at their local lake and we should give them props. If it was so easy to catch 40+ lb rainbows (even if they are genetic freaks), then the twins would not have the two largest ever caught by anybody in the world!!!

Should there be separate "classes" for these fish......maybe, but I dont think any of us will have much impact on that happening nor do I care if it does. That doesnt take anything away from these fisherman though.

Lets just admire a very nice fish and not worry about where it falls in the record books. I doubt anybody on this site will catch the next world record whether the "classes" are separated or not. Kinda like the Spider Bull, lets not be jealous!!!

[jvp]

they have shock checked fish in a certain lake in oregon and brought up 35-44 lb fish. rainbows or as they are called now red bands. 48 lb isn't a whole lot bigger so what is the fuss

[browntroutclown]

Originally Posted by Derrel

I have to agree-the record needs an asterisk behind it...look at the fins on that thing! Bent, ratty, frayed, from having spent its early life in a hatchery holding pond. The thing is sterile,and energy it would have spent on reproducing was devoted to...eating and growing fat.

This is almost like raising a whitetail buck in an enclosed area, and feeding it all it can eat of scientifically-formulated, nutrient loaded,species-specific pellet food, while also keeping any and all predators away from the animal. Instead of spending energy during the rut chasing females or fighting off other males, he hangs out and eats all day long,safe from predators,and enjoying his human delivered food. Then, after he's seven or eight years old, the fence is torn down, and he slips out,and is then shot by a hunter 1/2 a mile away.

"Monster whitetail world record buck killed." *

*fed formulated food and reared in captivity first 85% of lifetime

My goodness, this new world record fish deserves an asterisk, big-time. I bet I could land a new world record trout on 4 lb test if I fished at some fish hatchery rearing ponds,and managed to land "ole' Sally" in her 10th year. Would anybody consider a pen-reared whitetail buck a new record if the animal had been raised in captivity, and then escaped? Barry Bonds indeed.
* all the way.

agree. either way my opinion doesn't really matter anyway, I was just answering the question that was possed on the original thread. People will have their opinions and I will also have one.

[fish-on-bend]

Originally Posted by browntroutclown

agree. either way my opinion doesn't really matter anyway, I was just answering the question that was possed on the original thread. People will have their opinions and I will also have one.

I didn't know sour grapes qualified as an opinion.

Its not like it was caught in a gill net. I respect the skills of the Konrads. Not jealosy or sour grapes here, just a lot of respect for some very hard working and talented fishermen.

[browntroutclown]

Originally Posted by SuperxJeff

The two are good fishermen and should be respected for their efforts but these fish are not the same rainbows that the rest of us fish for. The fish do not deserve to be in the record book. It's black and white for me. I don't need somebody's politically correct approval. It's B*&%S*&$t plain and simple. Rainbow trout reproduce. These fish do not. How on earth can you call them the same thing? These fine young men should have a world record for mutant freak rainbow trout that don't breed and just eat.
I hope nobody construes my words as being against the young men as I am not in any way. My disdain is for the record keeping people.

Just the point I was trying to make.

[Smok'n Fish]

Here me now, or believe me later, we just want to PUMP YOU UP!!!

[nick2136]

Either way its a nice fish!

[flynbird]

I want one of those bad boys on a fly rod!!!! Yee-Haw!!!! Hold on Luke!!!!

[Udelld]

Originally Posted by flynbird

I want one of those bad boys on a fly rod!!!! Yee-Haw!!!! Hold on Luke!!!!

A big fish is a big fish- thats my opinion just trying to get my posts up so I can use the classifieds section

[fjorganic]

nice fish and way to go guys

[deeptrout]

go catch a bigger triploid and then refuse the record or ask that it be awarded with an asterisk. Other than that, no opinions except those of the fishermen or record keepers matter. Don't try to put an asterisk on someone elses fish, thats my opinion.
I would be very proud of a trout half that size, triploid or not.

[fish-on-bend]

Originally Posted by SuperxJeff

The two are good fishermen and should be respected for their efforts but these fish are not the same rainbows that the rest of us fish for. The fish do not deserve to be in the record book. It's black and white for me. I don't need somebody's politically correct approval. It's B*&%S*&$t plain and simple. Rainbow trout reproduce. These fish do not. How on earth can you call them the same thing? These fine young men should have a world record for mutant freak rainbow trout that don't breed and just eat.
I hope nobody construes my words as being against the young men as I am not in any way. My disdain is for the record keeping people.

........so if someone has a vasectomy they aren't eligible to set a new world fishing record because they can't reproduce?

[marshworm]

Originally Posted by fish-on-bend

........so if someone has a vasectomy they aren't eligible to set a new world fishing record because they can't reproduce?

fob.
Excellant deduction!

There for awhile I thought this post would die out, but I guess we'll have to just wait for all these monster fish that escaped their pens to all be caught by the Conrad Twins for that to happen.

Come on boys keep fishin and put us out of our misery and do it quick

[bwild]

Originally Posted by marshworm

There for awhile I thought this post would die out,

My sentiments exactly, marshworm.

So the Konrad twins got a vasectomy and created a world record rainbow?

[1sast]

Originally Posted by Udelld

A big fish is a big fish- thats my opinion just trying to get my posts up so I can use the classifieds section

Me too gotta couple items I need to post but dont have the pre requisite post count Its a big fish

[1sast]

Originally Posted by browntroutclown

Bwild,
I respectfully disagree with one on a couple of points. I believe with modern technology that these GENTICALLY ALTERED TRIPLOIDS need to have a line drawn when it comes to Records. IF these fish can get to 50#'s I am sure some professor will come up with a way real soon to make these fish even grown bigger. Altered is the key word here. I do not think that a lake the constantly kicks out fish 30 to 50 pounds is any thing special especially for a world record. Prior to the accidental escape of these gentic altered freaks of fish,Lake Diefenbaker never produced anything near this size of rainbows.

As far as the new world record brown trout is concerned it is not of the seeforellen strain at all. This is the same brown trout that we catch in Oregon. This new world record is called a Domestic brown. The are very different from the seeforellen strain. The domestic brown spot patterns are distinctively different because the have halos just like the ones we are use to catching. The seeforellen strain almost looks the same as a salmon and their skin pigment never changes, they will always be silver. The domestic strain will turn to "fall colors" on the majority of spawning fish. The Great Lakes and their tributaries are just like the old days of the Flamming Gorge. Bobs Bringhurst world record 33 pounds came out of there now it has cycled over to the Great Lakes. Here is pictures of the two different browns



This brown trout is of the domestic strain. It is golden, spot patterns has halos

this is the seeforellen strain. Very silver, spot patterns are very distinct a

Beautiful fish, thank you for showing the differences.