Chinook Fishing (Chile and Argentina)

[Chinookjinxd]

Whoa....this....worth a read !!!!

http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/008134.html

[sms]

Man, that article should just be titled: "Northwest US: You Reap What You Sew"

[Derrel]

I've long dreamed of a trip to Argentina to fish the Rio Pescado, to catch giant sea-run rainbows and sea-run brown trout...in the 1990's that was one of 'the' fly fishing destinations in the entire hemisphere.

I believe chinook salmon have also colonized several rivers in Australia; years ago, in the 1990's, I corresponded with an Australian fisherman who was very eager to learn about PNW chinook fishing lures, tactics, methods, etc.

[ramrod]

Originally Posted by Chinookjinxd

Whoa....this....worth a read !!!!

http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/008134.html

Sure would be nice to see what kind of numbers of fish they are talking about. I have a hard time believing anything the global warming people have to say. Its always blame it on global warming.

[eggzit]

Yeah, all that global warming stuff.....i dont believe those scientists. Geez, all that schooling just to make up a hoax like that??? I think we should just decide for ourselves what is/isn't gloabal warming....cause we normal workin folk know WAY better.

[Klamath_King]

Maybe I should start buying land down there and building cabins.

year 2025: PNW salmon dwindled/protected. sportsmen forced to book charters in south america?

heartbreaking...sad...and possibly a reality...

[Chinookjinxd]

Heck yea im gonna have the finnest south of the border salmon
destination !

[Capt.P-Bar]

WOW, never would have thought it if I hadnt seen pics with my own eyes, nice rivers, the fish look great, guess you can get a discount to fish during peak times becasue the flies are so bad! It would still be fun to go

[Johnny Bowles]

Don't jump on any band wagons yet !
We have these down cycles every 10 to 12 years & our fish will make a comeback soon. I am talking of tilly streams that do NOT have hydro projects and so on.
I would be interested in jumping 20 years ahead & reading how the warm ocean condition feeding has an effect on salmon in the long run. Is this where our spring chinook go to grow ?

[baitsauce]

I for one do not buy the premise of human caused global climate change. But what does this article have to do with that?

Interesting how, as this article points out, the Chinook are somewhat considered an invasive species. If they do get out of hand and get to many of them then we sure know how to take care of that problem.

[AnglersRental]

Here are photos of some invasive Chileian Chinook salmon at the Rufa Chalhuafe Lodge this year.

- Brad

[tear-a-bite]

this is great DATA! all the years of talk and debate - here is actual DATA showing what the fish can do when not overfished or impeded. opinion and political maneuvering CANNOT stand up to actual DATA on what is going on.

i want to read more about whats going on down there!

thanks - this post is awesome!

[HighSlacker]

Wow! Looks like they have URB's and Tules too!

[Boat Monkey]

Second and last ones are tule-saurus-rexs! I know they are invasive, which is bad, but but it could be asian carp...

[freespool]

Originally Posted by tear-a-bite

this is great DATA! all the years of talk and debate - here is actual DATA showing what the fish can do when not overfished or impeded. opinion and political maneuvering CANNOT stand up to actual DATA on what is going on.

i want to read more about whats going on down there!

thanks - this post is awesome!

It doesn't have a thing to do with fishing, or anything man is doing or not doing.
These are exotic invasive species, they have no predator base targeting them in their new environment.
They are flourishing for the same reason the exotic invasive species around here are doing so well, they have no predators to keep them in check.

[tear-a-bite]

Originally Posted by freespool

It doesn't have a thing to do with fishing, or anything man is doing or not doing.
These are exotic invasive species, they have no predator base targeting them in their new environment.
They are flourishing for the same reason the exotic invasive species around here are doing so well, they have no predators to keep them in check.

actually it has everything to do with what man is doing and not doing - this is an example (like you said) of man NOT being present or influencing the fish. they are uninhibited by man (ie fishing) and this DATA shows how quickly they are able to colonize that part of the world.

the DATA (ie their rapid population increase where they have not been before) is a good example of what could happen in the Pacific NW if man got out of the way.

political discussion debates what MIGHT happen for dam removal, non-selective harvest removal, etc. this DATA shows what will happen when barriers are eliminated.

so, in a way, we are in agreement

[tear-a-bite]

heres a similar article - suggests the fish possiblly originated from Cowlitz/Kalama stock.

http://www.currentresults.com/Invasi...ook-709271.php

that might explain the Tule-a-saurus Rex in the last picture...

[freespool]

So your saying the reason small and largemouth bass, walleye, shad and elodea weed are doing so well here in the PNW is because man is just getting out of the way?
Or is it because there is no predator base keying in on them and controlling their populations?

[lilnorthfork]

herein lies the problem...

To the previously chinook-salmon free ecosystem, this is an invasion. As the population of the salmon species continues to increase, Correa told ScienceNews he worries that they might disrupt both freshwater and marine ecosystems by outcompeting other fish species and by bringing up “massive seasonal pulses of nutrients” into a system that usually runs on a “sparse budget.”

What happens when their existence alters the very system that allows them to thrive? Declining populations resulting in fish hatcheries perhaps?

Hard arguing with this quote...

The news of chinook colonizing South America "absolutely, unequivocally proves how stupid we’ve been in managing our fish," Stanford said.

Salmon control my brain... but not at the expensive of the greater ecosystem.

[crabbait]

Originally Posted by tear-a-bite

this is great DATA! all the years of talk and debate - here is actual DATA showing what the fish can do when not overfished or impeded. opinion and political maneuvering CANNOT stand up to actual DATA on what is going on.

i want to read more about whats going on down there!

thanks - this post is awesome!

Haven't you heard? Humans have no impact on the planet.

[nunyet]

How could this be true?We have been told by or wild fish people and trout unlimited that planted fish cannot reproduce.

nunyet

[Chrome Bumper]

Let's haul some sea lions over there.

[LuckySteelhead]

really great fish! I had the impression salmon fishing was mostly a northern hemisphere thing, but that notion goes to the wayside. The really big red one look like a kanai King from alaska.

[TheRogue]

Originally Posted by freespool

So your saying the reason small and largemouth bass, walleye, shad and elodea weed are doing so well here in the PNW is because man is just getting out of the way?
Or is it because there is no predator base keying in on them and controlling their populations?

Ouch....I'm coughing and choking.....but I agree with freespool on this one.

Non-native species have no business being introduced. Regardless of what we feel is a "good" species or not, they don't belong. For instance, look at all the people who absolutely love having all the walleye and smallmouth bass in the CR system. We KNOW that walleye and smallmouth feed on salmon/steelhead smolts. Why would we want to have these things in our rivers?

If you've ever spent time on the South Coast, you've seen the seas of dark green bushes along the road. If it's the right time of the year, it's got pretty little yellow flowers. This wonderful stuff was brought over by settlers from the "old country" to grow hedges. Yeah, makes a great hedge, grows fast, can't kill it with nuclear weapons. Did I mention it grows fast and is ridiculously hardy? It's an infestation now.

It's one thing when an animal moves into areas naturally. It's another when man does it.

My .02

TR

[freespool]

We might also agree that wild "feral" horses and burros are invasive species, and should be managed accordingly, and not protected.

[Chinookjinxd]

Wow UG your pics are amazing, and man those are some hogs.
Always had wanted to go to Alaska my whole life....did that got
the T-Shirt wasnt to impressed I've done just as well here.
Anyone down for a trip to South America ? Bet us PNW guys can show those guy's a thing or two. Or I suppose it could be like shooting fish in a barrel with no competion as stated, this fish should be very aggresive.

[TheRogue]

Originally Posted by freespool

We might also agree that wild "feral" horses and burros are invasive species, and should be managed accordingly, and not protected.

Yup.....

[smalldog]

Every year it will get better for the salmon.
With the die off after spawning..they will bring nutrients to the river that feed the smolts.
Unchecked and left alone..These two countries could become the new frontier for salmon fishermen. The rivers are awesome and the population of people on the rivers is very low.

[elron]

wow, Years ago i had the pleasure to cruise through patagonia in service to my country, and wondered about steelhead and salmon in those parts. All of it looked fishy at the time. I know they have a good crab fishery in southern chile, now salmon? Chile has had a good trout fishery for some time. all the more appealing thinking of a trip down that way.

[Johnny Bowles]

I agree CB They could have all our sea lions & cormorants. IF that does NOT do it - LETS GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHOS IN !

[AnglersRental]

The airfare and lodges are cheaper than Bristol Bay. The food is better too. - Brad

[Chinookjinxd]

Originally Posted by Uglygreen

The airfare and lodges are cheaper than Bristol Bay. The food is better too. - Brad

Man that really says something. You can go with a guide and MAYBE
catch one on the Kenai. And pay an arm and a leg, or you can whack
a good number of Hogs like UG AND PAY LESS !!! While helping a foreign
eco systems infestation, cant get better.

[AnglersRental]

I've never been there, I have friends who have. I will likely be going next year. The guys I know that went this year paid about $1200 roundtrip airfare to Puerto Montt, the lodge they stayed at was $150 a day (including meals) and the guides were $100 a day (including tips). Pretty good deal for what is fast becoming a world class fishery.

- Brad

[Chance]

Originally Posted by nunyet

How could this be true?We have been told by or wild fish people and trout unlimited that planted fish cannot reproduce.

nunyet

Not planted, but these fish are from a domesticated strain of chinook.


These fishes ancestors escaped from net pens...


Even the article contradicts it self by talking about one of the demises to PNW stocks in inbreeding with hatchery stocks. They failed to go into depth about the fact that, once again, these fish came from net pens and are flourishing. Granted, they are invasive, they sure are doing a nice job of reproducing in the wild .

[07clackapramowner]

Originally Posted by Uglygreen

Here are photos of some invasive Chileian Chinook salmon at the Rufa Chalhuafe Lodge this year.

- Brad

One of these days.......I am sooo there!