Bush Saves Wild Salmon Stocks

freespool · 10-02-2003, 08:16 AM

Interesting article in the Oregonian today. Bush administration claims steps taken in 2000 has saved wild salmon and steelhead stocks in Columbian basin from further decline. These runs have actualy grown substantially,due in part to actions of the Marine Fisheries Service. I think the Bush campaign spin doctors are ramping up to full BS mode.

CATCH AND EAT · 10-02-2003, 08:18 AM

Hey, no diffenent than Gore inventing the internet. Kitzhaber also claimed to have saved salmon. Hummmmmmmmmm.....buzzzzzzzzz....blblblblblbl... It's just a lot of political noise. Ignore it. You will feel much better.

El-Kabong · 10-02-2003, 08:25 AM

Bush has screwed the environment at every turn since he took office, so I am not surprised by him trying to take credit for the ocean conditions.

not to mention that "the saved salmon" were offshore, maybe in international waters when he started.

BrionLutz · 10-02-2003, 08:27 AM

Freespool,

Good interview with Liz Hamilton of NW Sportfishing Industry Association on the radio today about it. She pointed out that unusally high flows over the dam swept the salmon out while the ocean conditions improved.

The drought years combined with Bush Jr/Enron "energy crisis" had BPA holding back water so we will have a better idea once we see the down cycle over the next couple years. Some folks have short memories and low expectations..oh..this thread was about Bush Jr...nevermind.

Now if I could just get the suckers to bite.

The status report said the improved prospects for threatened fish do not mean recovery. Rather, the National Marine Fisheries Service and other agencies characterized the gains as a reprieve from the collapse of salmon numbers in the mid-1990s.

Brion

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lost_sailor · 10-02-2003, 08:38 AM

Check back in 50 years, we'll see about "saved"

freespool · 10-02-2003, 09:02 AM

This is a good example of how misinformed and gullible the Bush administratin thinks the voting public is.

Straydog · 10-02-2003, 09:07 AM

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Originally posted by freespool:
This is a good example of how misinformed and gullible the Bush administratin thinks the voting public is.

The worst part is that to a large degree the Bush administration is right about how gullible the voting public is. :depressed:

freespool · 10-02-2003, 10:00 AM

Straydog,your 100% correct,how else could that <man> be president? My hope is the media does the thinking for the voters,and points out all the ridiculous statements we are about to receive.

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lost_sailor · 10-02-2003, 10:04 AM

Bush will have about 300 times as much money to spend as his opponent, so as long as people leave their TVs tuned to "Survivor" instead of the news - The Empire will be in good shape.

<Darth Vader theme>

Killertraylor · 10-02-2003, 10:46 AM

[/QUOTE]The worst part is that to a large degree the Bush administration is right about how gullible the voting public is. :depressed: [/QB][/QUOTE]

Thats for sure - those gullible folks elected Clinton twice! :whazzup:

freespool · 10-02-2003, 10:51 AM

Killer,the way Bush has been stepping in it lately,I wouldn't say he's a shoein. And if the media turns on him,he's a dot.

Killertraylor · 10-02-2003, 01:11 PM

Straydog - I wasn't being counterproductive at all - just pointing out how I was thinking both times Clinton got elected. :whazzup: You're the one who said Americans are gullible at the polls - that's exactly what I was thinking both times Clinton won.

Steelhead Hound - that was actually pretty funny!

10-02-2003, 01:16 PM

The worst part is that to a large degree the Bush administration is right about how gullible the voting public is. [/QB][/QUOTE]

Thats for sure - those gullible folks elected Clinton twice! [/QUOTE]

Killer,
So true and the truth hurts those that voted for Clinton/Gore

Steelhead Hound · 10-02-2003, 02:28 PM

Maybe so, but what has Bush done besides the warS??? If 9\11 never happened what would he be doing??? Picking a fight with someone else I would assume. Just because they were not republican you guys hate them. Before they were in office the economy was bad, but when they got in they turned it around. When they got out it went sour again because another Bush got into office. Like father like son...except Bush senior was a heck of a lot smarter the GW.

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hookem · 10-02-2003, 02:40 PM

Well I'm glad Bush saved the salmon. He's a good man, and I'm sure right now he's working on saving those thousand's of salmon that died last year on the Klamath river.

CATCH AND EAT · 10-02-2003, 02:51 PM

That's funny, I thought we were suppose to learn from the past. Is that not why they teach us history? Is it not why news papers and magazines sell? Ever wonder why the talking heads are so popular? Kids, it is call HISTORY. Learn it and learn from it. That way you can work for the future. Interesting we look to the past for answers for future problems don't we. Just where does this Walmart mentallity come from?

GutshotApe · 10-02-2003, 04:13 PM

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Originally posted by hookem:
Well I'm glad Bush saved the salmon. He's a good man, and I'm sure right now he's working on saving those thousand's of salmon that died last year on the Klamath river.

Earlier this year it was reported the Bush administration arranged for 50,000 acre feet of water (about as much as Henry Hagg lake holds) to be released from the Trinity Reservoir to prevent another big die-off. I haven't heard anything about a repeat of last year's fish kill in the Klamath...have you? :whazzup:

BrionLutz · 10-02-2003, 06:16 PM

Killertraylor,

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Thats for sure - those gullible folks elected Clinton twice!

Hmm...how exactly are Bush Jr's disasterous anti-salmon policies Clinton's fault?

Interesting editorial and article in the latest Field and Stream (the right wing media I subscribe to) that excoriates Bush Jr and his anti-fish and game policies and suggests it's about time for sportsmen and women to stop voting with their knee jerks and start using their heads and the record.

In that spirit I urge you to read �Drilling the Wild� (page 37), about a matter of increasing urgency to hunters and fishermen: the rapid expansion of oil and gas development on our public lands. As award-winning journalist Ted Kerasote reports, the BLM has released a plan for building �66,000 new coalbed methane wells, 26,000 miles of new roads, and 52,000 miles of new pipelines� in Wyoming�s game-rich Powder River Basin. This is just one of many areas under siege, but it also signals a wide gulf between the Beltway�s priorities and those of America�s outdoorsmen.

Brion

lingslayer · 10-02-2003, 06:24 PM

Interesting article from the Oregonian here:

http://www.oregonlive.com/search/ind...oregonian?lcen

It talks about the steps CR salmon have taken further from extinction.

It says nothing about Bush taking credit for it though,... Just that since 2000 they have made a considerable recovery from the collapse during the clinton '90s.

Just because it's anti-clinton era doesn't mean its pro-Bush :grin:

Jamie

2LEYS · 10-02-2003, 06:32 PM

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And if the media turns on him,he's a dot.

The media turned on him close to 3 years ago.

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Just because they were not republican you guys hate them.

Just like just because someone IS republican you hate them....right??

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Were all gonna be dead in 50 years cause of Bush

Maybe we will all still be alive because of Bush.

Steelhead Hound · 10-02-2003, 11:25 PM

Ya they elected Clinton twice but did they really even elect BUSH ONCE

Straydog · 10-02-2003, 11:43 PM

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Originally posted by Killertraylor:

Thats for sure - those gullible folks elected Clinton twice! :whazzup:

We can get so much further so much faster by looking ahead instead of continually looking back.

The "he did it first" or "he was worse" mentality seems ssssooo counter productive.

Stratocaster · 10-02-2003, 11:53 PM

Hey is there an open chair here at the choir? :grin: Were all gonna be dead in 50 years cause of Bush so who cares. You guys who say "look foward" will be blaming Bush for everything once hes out of office.

BTW, he wasent in office in 2000, so hows he taken credit? Link to article anyone? Id like to read it. See the bs for myself, and not hear it from a bunch of partisans.

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Steelhead Hound · 10-03-2003, 01:03 AM

No I don't hate you because you're republican most of my family is. We may be dead because of what Bush did...But we may be alive because of what Bush did..... He is a horrible president and I doubt his term (notice I don't say termS) in office will be one that is not remembered except for 9-11. Unless he starts crap with North Korea. Which could happen. That will be his main topic while campaigning. KILL THE NORTH KOREANS!!!! THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING TO US!!!!!

freespool · 10-03-2003, 06:41 AM

2leys,this is politics,not war. No need to hate anyone for their political views. Everyone has an opinion and should be heard. I may strongly disagree with you,but hate? I don't think so.

2LEYS · 10-03-2003, 06:52 AM

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2leys,this is politics,not war. No need to hate anyone for their political views. Everyone has an opinion and should be heard. I may strongly disagree with you,but hate? I don't think so.

I didn't make the origional statement. I was just saying that it cuts both ways.

BrionLutz · 10-04-2003, 08:30 AM

Freespool,

Added up the total Chinook to date for 2001,2002 and 2003.

2001=840,085
2002=841,259
2003=868,037 up 3.2%

Brion

10-04-2003, 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by CATCH AND EAT:
Hey, no diffenent than Gore inventing the internet.

Contrary to popular belief (actually something the GOP made up) Gore did not claim to have invented the internet

They took some obscure statement and took it out of context. Gee imagine the republicans doing something like that

Geez Bernie come up with something new okay? :tongue:

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10-04-2003, 01:30 PM

Oops.

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10-04-2003, 01:31 PM

MCI knows who invented the internet and who built the backbone. He works for us, and we did.

Clinton and Gore did understand the importance thereof.

Dance Bernie. :grin:

Somebody save the Salmon, okay?

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