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Old 09-25-2003, 12:16 PM   #1
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I ran across this and thought it to be an interesting situation.


Coast Guard Cites Deaf Boater

Sunday, September 21, 2003

By Jack Innis

Steve Turner
Can No Longer Skipper Without Hearing Person Aboard Craft


A San Diego recreational fisherman was ordered by the Coast Guard to terminate his voyage Sept. 9 because he is deaf. The order came after an encounter with a patrol boat in San Diego Bay.

Steve Turner, 52, of South Park, was inbound aboard his 23-foot Parker Flying Fingers, when a Coast Guard patrol boat stopped him at 7 p.m., about 200 yards west of the Zuniga Jetty. Turner was returning from a daylong albacore trip with three passengers, all deaf.

“I was entering the harbor, and there was an outbound cruise ship about three-quarters of a mile away,” said Turner in an e-mail interview. “I saw this Coast Guard patrol boat coming full speed towards me with blue lights flashing, and when I looked around, there were no other boats except me, so I began to wonder why.”

The patrol boat intercepted Flying Fingers and instructed Turner to make sure he steered well clear of the cruise liner.

In response to possible terrorist threats, Coast Guard San Diego has established a cruise-ship security zone that prohibits vessels from operating within 100 yards of any cruise ship entering, moored in, or departing San Diego Bay unless authorized by the Coast Guard Captain of the Port to do so.

Turner communicated to the boarding officer that his original course on the right side of the channel would have left more than a 100-yard buffer, but he agreed to steer even farther from the ship. Turner estimates that his original course - on autopilot - would have brought him no closer than 100-to-150 yards to the cruise ship.

Turner changed course but was quickly pulled over again.

“Before the cruise liner approached, we got stopped again,” Turner said. “We spent about an hour on the water, with the patrol boat bumping into my boat in the middle of the bay, while the officer in charge talked on his cell phone to what I assumed to be the main Coast Guard office.”

While the boats drifted, the cruise liner passed by.

The patrol boat then escorted Flying Fingers to the Shelter Island launch ramp and issued a citation for “inability to comply with navigation rules” and “unsafe conditions creating especially hazardous conditions. Terminated use.” Turner was also cited for a paperwork violation.

The boarding officer, Petty Officer 3rd Class Joseph Jinks, communicated by writing on a note pad that since Turner was deaf, he could no longer operate his vessel - effective immediately, Turner said.

Turner asked Jinks to point out a specific navigation rule that bars the deaf from operating vessels. Jinks pointed out a section regarding sounding of horns and signals and wrote on his note pad that since Turner could not hear such signals, he had no business operating a vessel, according to Turner.

“This might shock you, like it did me as boat owner and captain for 27 years,” he said. “They flatly ordered me not to operate my boat Flying Fingers any more. They stated that since I have my hearing loss, I am not able to respond to navigational sounds; therefore, I have no business to operate or navigate a boat on the water.”

Navigation rules are quite specific on that point, according to Coast Guard spokesperson Jamie Devitt-Chacon: “Navigation Rule 5 states, ‘Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the prevailing circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision.’ Navigation Rule 4 states, ‘Rules in this section apply to any condition of visibility.’ ”

From the Coast Guard’s perspective, the drama began to unfold as the patrol boat was escorting the cruise liner out of the harbor. Noticing that Flying Fingers could potentially violate the 100-yard security zone, the patrol boat attempted to hail the craft on VHF radio channel 16. When that attempt failed, the patrol boat broke off from the cruise liner to intercept the returning anglers.

“Even though Flying Fingers at no time entered the security zone, the escort boat wanted to make sure that the vessel’s operator was aware he was near a security zone,” said Devitt-Chacon. “The decision to terminate a vessel’s voyage is never an easy one.

“The boarding officer has to determine in his own judgment whether it’s safe or not. Frankly, a person could be obeying all the rules, and the boarding officer could terminate because of safety concerns. There are just too many possibilities to be covered by individual rules.”

The back of Turner’s citation indicates that the matter will be forwarded to the appropriate Coast Guard district commander to determine whether a civil penalty will be assessed. One reporter was told that no penalty will be assessed in this case.

“There will be no fines or further action,” assured Devitt-Chacon. “All he has to do is come into compliance about watch standing.”

Even though the Coast Guard plans no further action on the matter, Turner could still appeal by requesting a meeting with the agency in the manner stated on the citation, according to Devitt-Chacon.

It was not clear as of this writing whether such an appeal would address only the propriety of Flying Finger’s voyage termination, or the fairness of navigation rules that seem to prohibit the deaf from operating boats in the capacity of lookout.

“While one my crew was talking to Jinks at the launch ramp, another Coast Guardsman told me verbally - I can read lips - that I could operate my boat only if I have a hearing person on board,” Turner said.

Turner is president of the 80-member Southern California Deaf Anglers Club, which was established in 1973. There are approximately 28 million deaf and hard-of-hearing individuals in the United States, according to the National Association of the Deaf.

Source: The Log, California's Boating Newspaper

http://www.thelog.com/news/newsview.asp?c=74621
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Old 09-25-2003, 12:34 PM   #2
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If your deaf you will need to bring some ears along. Good reminder for us old rock and roll fans.Hiho. id. p.
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Old 09-25-2003, 12:45 PM   #3
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Hard to argue with the CG logic on that. Its too bad for that guy, but safety first.

Besides, the risk is too great for:

"Fish on!! Pass me a net!! Dude...hello?? I said FISH ON!!! Hellllooooo?!?!?"

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Old 09-25-2003, 01:17 PM   #4
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What do you want to bet there will be a big ol' lawsuit over that? Discrimination?

I want to know... how do you hail the Coast Guard if you break down? Even if you can speak, how do you hear acknowledgement and instructions from the CG?
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Old 09-25-2003, 02:13 PM   #5
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I do agree there is a diminished capacity here, but I do believe that he could (and has) operate a boat safely.

Yes, it would be better if he had a hearing person aboard that could operate a VHF radio in the event there was trouble. Yes, it would be better if someone could hear a weather update. Yes, ect, ect.

VHF's are not required on our sport vessels, therefore an inability to use one should not preclude somebody from operating a boat. With the DSC feature on most VHF's, technically a person does not have to say/hear a word to let everybody know you are in trouble and where you are. Is his boat as safe as it could be, no. Is your boat as safe as it could be, probably not.

This guy obviously takes precautions or he would not have 27 years of experience under his belt. How many years do you have?

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Old 09-25-2003, 03:54 PM   #6
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Well, duh!!! Next you are going to tell me that I can't drive a car if I am blind. Or even fly a plane if I don't have arms or legs.

Crazy world. The Coast Guard is absolutely right. No hearing, no boating. Duh!!!
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Old 09-25-2003, 05:04 PM   #7
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No Thumper, it is the same as saying you can't drive a car if you are deaf. Which I believe is still legal. The same safety argument applies there as well. So to be consistent, we should require hearing tests for drivers as well. I think it would be a good idea, but unlikely to get approved.
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Old 09-25-2003, 05:39 PM   #8
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I agree with SH. I don't blame the CG for taking that stance, but there's gotta be a way for this guy (or any deaf person) to operate his boat.
You could use the argument that there's no right to operate a boat, but there's no right to drive, either, and hearing-impaired people can drive. They can always amend the navigation rules.
As far as distress calls, he can use an EPIRB, although it won't do another boat in distress any good to hail him.

From what I've read here, I'd be more comfortable on the water with Steve Turner than some of the doughballs I've run across who can hear.
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Old 09-25-2003, 11:10 PM   #9
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This guy needs a semi-competent attorney. My money says he wins this one hands down.
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Old 09-26-2003, 03:16 AM   #10
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Agree wth Birdnest.

No vhf requirement exists. Visual signals can be used and obviously were in this case.

The C.G. should go after the folks who operate boats with no brain on board, a very common violation here on the C.R.
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Old 09-26-2003, 07:23 AM   #11
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Good one, Roadsend,

Brains are much more important than hearing.

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Old 09-26-2003, 07:38 AM   #12
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Quote:
Originally posted by crabbait:
This guy needs a semi-competent attorney. My money says he wins this one hands down.
<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">I dont know...depends on if he can get a court to "hear" his case.

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Old 09-26-2003, 07:39 AM   #13
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Wow,

I don't like the CG stance on this. The qoute never stated he had violated the 'no-fly zone' of the cruise ship, but they wanted to notify him of it.

What happend to something about innocence until guilt is proven..???

I can understand the CG getting a little cranky and suspicious when the guy was non responsive on the VHF, but what if it had been a small skiff without a radio and they just waived the guy off?

I'm all for common sense and safety, but this wreaks of bullying and overzealouness.

The guy wins hands down.

Now after spending ga-zillions of dollars and hours of showing what people with disabilities can do - they can't go boating?

Nice one Tex. 'Judge, hear me out on this..."

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Old 09-26-2003, 08:32 AM   #14
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I can't hardly hear a thing over the 200 hp tiller jet. And what about all the guys wearing hearing protection while operating their sleds? (Many of them guides)
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Old 09-26-2003, 10:58 PM   #15
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Yeah, have you ever ridden in an airboat, like up in AK or in Florida? Ear protection is mandatory. You'd have permanent damage without it.
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Old 10-02-2003, 02:45 PM   #16
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Very interesting article Birdnest. I would have to agree with the CG on this one, but it's a tough call. I mean, the article said he's been a boat owner and a captain for some 27 years, but on the other hand, you gotta think safety first here! I agree with OceanBlue, how is he going to hail the CG or receive instructions from them in case of an emergency??

I don't know how it is getting your boating license, but on your driver's license application, there's a place that people are required to list their disabilities. Is there something like this one an application for a boater's license?

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Old 10-03-2003, 07:53 AM   #17
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Just because a person has a loss of hearing does not make that person dangerous to themselves or others. On the other hand, people with a hearing loss are more vigilant that those with good hearing. Also what about the use of flags in the day and lights at night? Maybe the Coast Guard needs to make a new flag to warn boats to give them a wide berth. Question too you; If a captain is in a pilot house with the motor going, the music playing, the wife and kids talking.....is he deaf to his surroundings at this time? and as well is he incapable of handling the vessel?
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Old 10-03-2003, 06:37 PM   #18
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Huh, could you repeat that?
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