General Wesley Clark vs Boy George

[freespool]

Well well won't this be interesting. The debates should be very stimulating. I'am sure we'll be adding some new words to the english language.

[Airborne]

I have to throw in my .02 Clark is a military sell out to the democrats/special interest groups, true he was at one time a great general but how could he sell us(military)out by becoming a democrat? democrat and military do not go together

[Smily]

My Vote goes to Boy George. I had to see him back in my younger years cause a girl I was dating at the time wanted to. And yes she really did hurt me and make me cry. [img]graemlins/hearton.gif[/img]
Who was or is General Wesley Clark?

:smile: Smily :smile:

[freespool]

Well just off the top of head,Cammander James Carter USN,Lt.John F Kennedy USN,both democrats,and Presidents. Smily,keep reading this thread and you'll find out.

[ 09-18-2003, 10:20 PM: Message edited by: freespool ]

Yes and JFK was a war hero

[Silver Hilton]

Well, I for one, think I could get behind a guy with brains, guts, and a proven record of leadership in difficult times. If he gets on the ballot, he's got my votes.

As a side note, I'm reading the book "Bush at War" by Bob Woodward. Even though Woodward goes out of his way to be complimentary, it's not pretty. It documents that the Bushies wanted to go into Iraq and were looking for reasons to do so well before 9/11.

[El-Kabong]

Clark could prove to be intersting. At least he bothered to show up for his military service. let alone lead NATO.

It is very telling that the republicans are scared of Clark as the smear campaign against Clark has been revved up full force in the right wing media.

[DanS]

democrat and military do not go together

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Really? So, you want to compare your military career to Clark's?

I didn't think all military personnel were of the same political mindset.

[1pump]

It documents that the Bushies wanted to go into Iraq and were looking for reasons to do so well before 9/11.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Clark was against the war in Iraq, and I'm tempted to vote for him on that principle alone.
As a military man and Vietnam veteran I'm sure he'd be more reluctant to start a crusade like the one we have now in the Mideast.

[lost_sailor]

I'm liking the Dean/Clark ticket. Have to wait and see.

Originally posted by Airborne:
... democrat and military do not go together

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Yes, that explains why Al Gore was in Vietnam while George Bush was AWOL in Texas.

[ 09-19-2003, 11:45 AM: Message edited by: lost_sailor ]

[Thumper]

Yeah, but I hear that he is a card-carrying charter member of Handgun Control, Inc.

[ 09-19-2003, 01:28 PM: Message edited by: Thumper ]

[CATCH AND EAT]

El Kabong, you gotta laugh at this stuff once in a while or ya get grumpy like Stew. :shocked: Sorry Shane, could'nt resist. [img]graemlins/hearton.gif[/img]

[freespool]

GSA,This the way I heard it. W was a member of the Texas Air National Guard.While fulfilling his 6 year commitment of one weekend a month and 15 days active duty a year,he decided to stop going to his drills. Some would call this AWOL others may call it disertion. Had he been a regular soldier he would have been activated into the regular Air Force for failing to show up for his guard drills. Somehow his daddy fixed it for him. In this partictular time frame,Viet Nam era,going into the National Guard was draft dodging. Al at least showed up and served on active duty.

[Thumper]

Originally posted by freespool:
In this partictular time frame,Viet Nam era,going into the National Guard was draft dodging.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">I have a lot of friends who served in the National Guard at that time who might carve you a new one for that comment.

[freespool]

Thumper,Viet Nam 1969-1972 United States Navy,bring on the draft dodgers.

[ 09-19-2003, 03:24 PM: Message edited by: freespool ]

[Cool Texan]

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[freespool]

CT, so about another 800 of those and I'll be an ifish nate too.

[Silver Hilton]

Originally posted by CATCH AND EAT:
General Wesly Clark. No formal education except from the school of hard knocks and life experience. He is a smart guy though so I'll give him that. No politcal experience (which could be a good thing). What happened to Kerry? Thought he was the Dems hopeful? Dean? No chance.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Actually, he has plenty of education. He was first in his class at West Point, and a Rhodes Scholar after that.

[ 09-19-2003, 06:17 PM: Message edited by: Silver Hilton ]

[Jetsledder]

i edited this post dont want cause any trouble

mark

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[STGRule]

Jetsleder; be very careful. Since it wasn't actually you who was there you cannot say what was or was not "worse" than anything else. The only opinion that counts here is somebody who was actually there.

[GutshotApe]

Originally posted by Stew:Yes and JFK was a war hero

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Originally posted by lost_sailor:
....Al Gore was in Vietnam while George Bush was AWOL in Texas.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">JFK was a hero, of sorts , AFTER he let an enemy destroyer slice his PT boat into two pieces. A friend's father was on Adm. Halsey's staff in WWII and he says if JFK hadn't been a Kennedy he would have been court-martialed for losing his ship and getting his men killed :depressed: .

AlGore was the only enlisted man in Vietnam to rate a 24/7 bodyguard...of course, his dad being a US Senator had nothing to do with that...or with keeping AlGore from going out in the boonies humping an M-16 and a heavy pack...dodging mines, punji pits, bullets, snakes, bugs, etc. Nope...after a hard day slaving over a notepad, it was back to base every night, three hots & a cot, and the EM club with 15 cent beer.

Bush was AWOL in Texas??...can anyone offer any specifics? :whazzup:

[CATCH AND EAT]

General Wesly Clark. No formal education except from the school of hard knocks and life experience. He is a smart guy though so I'll give him that. No politcal experience (which could be a good thing). What happened to Kerry? Thought he was the Dems hopeful? Dean? No chance.

[El-Kabong]

No formal education? Is that a joke

try this:

General Clark is a 1966 graduate of the United States Military Academy at West Point, New York, where he graduated first in his class. He holds a master's degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics from Oxford University where he studied as a Rhodes Scholar (August 1966-August 1968). He is a graduate of the National War College, Command and General Staff College, Armor Officer Advanced and Basic Courses, and Ranger and Airborne schools. General Clark was a White House Fellow in 1975-1976 and served as a Special Assistant to the Director of the Office of Management and Budget. He has also served as an instructor and later Assistant Professor of Social Science at the United States Military Academy.

Please tell me you were kidding? Seems to me that while our president was drinking and doing drugs, Clark was busy pursuing less hedonistic things.

EK

[ 09-19-2003, 12:49 PM: Message edited by: El-Kabong ]

[Thumper]

As I am a conservative Republican, Clark gives me serious concerns. He has the same allure of Colin Powell --- a military leader with no political stigmata.

I sure hope his tells Americans his positions on every issue, and I hope he steps into some political poop in the process. Like it would be cool if he was a card-carrying charter member of Handgun Control, Inc. That would be very handy. I may start the rumor.

That guy could win.... :shocked:

[ 09-19-2003, 01:15 PM: Message edited by: Thumper ]

[CATCH AND EAT]

Okay I wassssssss kidding. But obviously he did'nt learn anything, he's running for president. ....As a Dem no less. :shocked:

[ 09-19-2003, 12:51 PM: Message edited by: CATCH AND EAT ]

[El-Kabong]

Catch and Eat,

Touche!

[lost_sailor]

Originally posted by GutshotApe:
Bush was AWOL in Texas??...can anyone offer any specifics? :whazzup:

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Google "Bush AWOL"

I never said Gore was slaughtering *******, just that he was on active duty in Vietnam.

"It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no Senator's son, Son..." :smile:

[Stratocaster]

In all fairness id say flying 60s era jets is more of a risk than writing articles in Nam. Go ahead and flame away LS. Your Bush hating is boring, even though im no Bush fan(president) :grin: . Im only comparing the occupations of the two at that time, so dont get carried away and throw a bunch of re-hashed "talking points" in response Bye, im leaving on vacation now.

Awol?

[ 09-20-2003, 11:50 AM: Message edited by: fisherdan ]

[freespool]

Fisherdan,your right,flying jets is more dangerous than being a reporter. So because he was a pilot,diserting is ok. Interesting twist.Being a retired member of the military,I can tell you this. A member that wishes to transfer to another Guard unit,submits the proper paper work to his commander to request a transfer. If granted,orders are issued to the new unit. You just don't move to the new unit and say here I am. Leaving without orders is AWOL.

[ 09-20-2003, 12:07 PM: Message edited by: freespool ]

[El-Kabong]

fisherrdan,

what specific role Bush or Gore played in the military is not relevant. what is relevant is that Gore finished his tour of duty while Bush did not.

if you can't debate the facts. change the subject

[ 09-23-2003, 07:54 AM: Message edited by: El-Kabong ]

[lost_sailor]

Driving drunk is pretty dangerous too, but all that demonstrates is bad judgement. If you get caught, you can run for governor and have those records "lost."

Sorry I'm BORING, I can't help it, and I won't be stopping before Election Day 2004.

Like father like son, four and OUT !

[Stratocaster]

posted 09-22-2003 03:29 PM

fisherrdan,

what Bush or Gore did is not relevant. what is relevant is that Gore finished his tour of duty while Bush did not.

if you can't debate the facts. change the subject

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">First off, what facts have i disputed?(that flying jets is more dangerous than reporting?) Two, i did not start this topic of Gore/Bush AWOL thing(I was responding to LS). And three, i just added my 2 cents(opinion) as all of us do, if YOU dont like it dont read my posts. Its obvious we dont agree on everything EL K , that dosent mean im excluded from talking on this thread or any other thread. So resume debating. Dan

[ 09-22-2003, 04:57 PM: Message edited by: fisherdan ]

[El-Kabong]

fisherdan,

the fact was that bush skipped the remainder of his duty gore did not.

[Stratocaster]

posted 09-22-2003 03:29 PM

fisherrdan,

what Bush or Gore did is not relevant

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[freespool]

Well I think we can all agree that nither Al Gore or George W. Bush have military records that are going to win any awards. That was the election of 2000,now to the election of 2004. If General Clark is nominated,his military record will speak for itself. My advise to Bush is, if the subject of military service comes up,change the subject.

[El-Kabong]

Sorry, what we can agree on is the Al Gore served his country, completed his term and G. Bush did not complete his term.

[Stratocaster]

El-Kabong
Steelhead
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posted 09-22-2003 03:29 PM

fisherrdan,

what Bush or Gore did is not relevant

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[ 09-22-2003, 10:20 PM: Message edited by: fisherdan ]

[BonkBonkBonk]

Originally posted by lost_sailor:
I'm liking the Dean/Clark ticket. Have to wait and see.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Originally posted by Airborne:
... democrat and military do not go together

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Yes, that explains why Al Gore was in Vietnam while George Bush was AWOL in Texas. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">i thought gore wasnt in the military?

[SandySteel]

All I know is that Bush will lose .... again. Whether he becomes president again is a different matter.

[Stratocaster]

Steelhead
Member # 85


posted 09-25-2003 08:34 PM

All I know is that Bush will lose .... again.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Lets stick with the facts, huh? Its obvious your school never taught you about the electoral college.

[ 09-25-2003, 09:58 PM: Message edited by: fisherdan ]