river courtesy

spinner fisher · 02-29-2004, 09:53 PM

I need a little help to see if my thought process may be off. Another IFisher and myself were on the Wilson on Saturday, We were enjoying a good looking run when a series of boats(well spaced out came down river. As each one passed, a friendly wave said hi and they politely moved down below us. Some came over to the bank to stay out of the run we were fishing. As the last boat approached, we could tell he was a guide. Not to mention he is an Ifish guide. As he and his three clients aproached to within 10 feet of us, he dropped an electric motor and instructed his clients to cast out sidedrifting rigs. They proceeded to <SLOWLY> side drift right through where we were fishing. The whole time we were left waiting to cast with this boat 10 feet directly in front of us. I dont mind sharing the river with any one and every one, In fact I own a bussiness (which in accordance with IFish rules will not be discussed) that relies on every one out there fishing. The more the better. But this whole situation felt rude to my partner and I! Are we wrong for feeling this way? As for the guide I have no will to harm his bussiness, I just hope if he sees this, that he will be more considerate of us bankies. I will not reveal his name for this reason.

Herring Impaired · 02-29-2004, 10:10 PM

RUDE!

I had this happen to me on the Kalama once. Guy in a drift boat dropped anchor right in front of me while I was on the bank. After a few "unintentional" :smile: tangles, he decided to move elsewhere.

I would imagine a guide that all of a sudden had his clients get tangled up with a guy on the bank would suddenly have his hands very full!

Ty · 02-29-2004, 10:24 PM

Out of control...... I would have cast and tancled all three up...... Then at least if I wasn't fishing they wouldn't be either. Two wrongs doesn't make a right....But, lesson might be learned.......

I was fishing the Elk River on the south cost and had a Guide anchor slightly above where I was shore fishing and proceed to backbounce kwickfish right through my entire drift... I was young and tolerant...Now I woudl never tolerate that.......

To bad it was an Ifish guide too....... Sad day indeed...... [img]graemlins/icon_argue.gif[/img]

KingFisher85 · 02-29-2004, 10:39 PM

I would not like it much at all. Don't bug me if the boater says "hey you mind if I make a pass thu here" and sure, what the heck, he was nice enough to ask I'll say sure go a head! But if they don't, and they taking there good ol time, that can fire a guy up....

Raven1 · 02-29-2004, 10:58 PM

That's totally bogus. I don't mind stoppping my casting while they drift through, but to stop in front of me is wrong [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img]

Sucks that he was an iFish guide as well

stlhdr1 · 02-29-2004, 11:07 PM

Some guides are like that and most wonder why... He was likely haveing a terrible day and not catching any fish and figured he could walk on some bankies, besides the greety ******* got past the driftboats in front of him..

I'd have tangled them all up too and made it noticed that he was violating the courtesy law... His clients would have felt out of place a bit but they also would likely never book another trip with the guy...

Times in the past, I've had guides do that to me while I was on the shore... I'd always yell "what are you a rookie", then the clients would look with embarrassment and the guide would pipe up.. Then of course I'd follow it with "wow you're a guide and you do this crap.. I can't believe you'd want to teach your clients such terrible etiquete.. It's sad to see your so hardpressed, the last guide boat that came through had limits... You having a bad day??" That usually get's them either fired up, or they just pick them up and leave... Try it, you'll get a laugh out of it...
Keith :grin: [img]graemlins/dork.gif[/img]

crabbait · 02-29-2004, 11:20 PM

I generally find that nicely stating my case gets me much further than returning rudeness with more rudeness.

It is a small world and the enemy I make today I may need as a friend tomorrow. I say take the high road and don't let it ruin your day.

GOT2FISH · 03-01-2004, 12:22 AM

Crabbait I wish I could do that to but after awhile you get sick and tierd of this stuff. Wouldnt you agree that being a good guide would includ MANNERS. I know I have had issues that are simular to spinnerfish and after a while tire tracks up and down your back gets painfull.

Amerman · 03-01-2004, 04:38 AM

As the most widely known Ifish guide for running an electric on the Wilson, I am glad I took Sat. off ( and this wasn't me). That said I do not know what happened, and I am sure there is another side to the story. But if events happened the exact way you described, it sounds rude to me. I am sure that since you were 10 feet from him, you could have said something and asked him to not do that, being nice about it of coarse. Maybe then you would have heard his side.

Call me a little skeptical, but you have made three post on Ifish and one was this one (I didn't have time to go check out the other two) slamming an ifish guide (which really just hurts all the ifish guides since you are not naming names; I am sure many thought it was me) and slamming ifish policy (by making it a point to tell us that this is why you are not naming your business).

You have a right to vent (and you may have been wronged here) but just hoping this isn't how you will be on ifish in the future.

Scott Amerman

[ 03-01-2004, 09:17 AM: Message edited by: Amerman ]

DJFISHS2XS · 03-01-2004, 05:52 AM

Nicely said Scott. Every one out there has had bad moments, I think from 10 feet away in a nice tone, you could explane to the guide that hes was being rude...And why I say nice I mean put it back on the clients to say with there tongun's or pocket books on how they felt about the situation.
I wouldnt rebook with a guy I thought was an A-hole

River Ranger · 03-01-2004, 07:16 AM

I thought motors were not allowed above soiile?
R.R.

Abalone · 03-01-2004, 07:16 AM

You aren't wrong for feeling that way, this guy was a jerk.

"Maybe then you would have heard his side. "

What side is there ? This is my river and you are on it ?

Hooker · 03-01-2004, 08:00 AM

R.R-

Gas motors aren't allowed above Sollie.

ry · 03-01-2004, 09:19 AM

if your not willing to post his name then why bother posting at all. all your doing is hurting the other guides. we are all big boys and girls here, arn't we.

Abalone · 03-01-2004, 09:34 AM

Forgive me for Saying this but:

What difference does it make who the guy was or for that matter whether he was a guide or not ?

IFISH is a Guide sponsored site that we all share. I think it would be more useful to discuss the issue without making it personal.

That story as reported Cited a boat load of people infringed upon another fisherman.

What is any fishermans worst kind of experience besides getting his car ripped off ?

Respect other peoples space. If someone else if fishing a hole go somewhere else if there isn't enough room.

IronNoggin · 03-01-2004, 09:47 AM

Due to the increased pressure on our local system, the Stamp, we've had occasion to witness many such unethical events this winter. Most of the guides are extremely courteous, and will go a fair bit out of their way to leave you working water, some, this year, have not been. The Stamp has a 10 horsepower restriction and jet-boat ban in place (exception to the latter is four licenced guide jetsleds). This year, it seems quite a few illegal jet operators have decided to risk punitive action, and run their boats in closed waters. The mandated bodies (DFO, Province & RCMP) have not had any presence on the flow to monitor the problem, and so it has increased. We've noticed that quite a few of these latter group are the worst when it comes to ethics, and are intentionally gunning bankies and drifters. Now, a small group of us is heating up the mounties, and I expect charges to be laid as an example shortly.

Frustrating to the extreme when someone intentionally guns you like that. I do think I'd be chatting with his superiors, and likely would have said something to the man regarding ethics on the flow (a good guide is supposed to be setting the proper example isn't he/she??)

Nog

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Nuttinbutnet · 03-01-2004, 09:59 AM

I think that with 5502 registered members, anyone who has a business that interacts with the fishing public should always remember his/her river ethics and manners. With todays electronic communications being what they are, it doesn't take too long for one bad action ( or percieved bad action) to tarnish a rep or destroy alot of costly advertising. There are good guides and bad. There are good sportsmen and bad. Today, we just hear about them quicker!

spinner fisher · 03-01-2004, 07:11 PM

Thank you all for the insight. it was not my intention of pointing fingers at any one. Simply put the Guide would know who he was, It was my first trip to the Wilson and was unsure if just maybe this was common practice. I Usually try not to cause conflict on a river so we did not speak up. My partner for the day fishes the wilson very often and was quite upset at this so I wanted to get more thought. I only mentioned the fact that I own a bussiness so people would understand, I feel better seeing a crowded river than an empty one. I Have this bussiness to mainly hook up with new fishing partners such as the one I was with this day. Any one making assumptions as to who it was should not! As Amerman said, he took the day off. All who assumed it was him were in the wrong as well as maybe I was for making that possible. I didnt join IFish to slam rules or people. Simply to get information, fishing friends and to see lots of fish pictures. In fact I have alot to be thankful for from Mr Amerman!

Just A Little Chrome · 03-01-2004, 07:30 PM

Since Ammerman's name has been brought up here I would like to share my experience with Scott on the Wilson.

On a Friday a couple weeks ago I and a fishing partner fished with Scott (morning drift) (afternoon boat below the bridge). I was duly impressed at Scott's boat handling capabilities (in both boats) but even more so with his river etiquette when passing bank fisherman.

Further it was a slow day for fishing and we were well into the afternoon but Scott didn't give up on the river (or us) and he expertly put us into a great day of fishing.

I would personally recommend Scott and can't wait to fish with him again in the near future.

Thanks Scott, your'e a real pro!! [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

Napes

Salmonator · 03-01-2004, 07:42 PM

I had the exact same experience Saturday on the Siletz. We were anchored and drift-fishing when a non-motorized guide (and non-ifish) drifted in front of us. We held back our casts waiting for him to push through, and instead he gave a couple of back strokes and pointed his clients to cast to the water in front of us. Also saw another non-ifish guide using a motor with the wrong stickers on his boat. I'm not positive he was guiding at the time but sometimes you have a pretty good idea. Watched another non-guide flop a complete boot (native?) into the bottom of the boat, look at it for two or three minutes, pose with it for a picture then throw it back in. Man I hate to fish on the weekends...

Crazy Fisherman · 03-01-2004, 07:44 PM

We have the same problem over here on the Siletz.

I have had guides that I`m sure everyone knows come right over an area we are drift fishing pulling plugs. [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img] Side drifting is bad enough, but pulling plugs? come on!!!!! I might add that it`s not only guides that are this way, it`s alot of other people too. :whazzup: I think there is alot of people that need to use plain old common sence and just alittle common courtesy when drifting the river.

There is alot of river, so let the person fish thier run and go to the next one.