Urine over the side

[Bait O' Eggs]

Its almost that time of year when the hoglines form and there are fishermen everywhere on the river.

I know when I am on the river and there are lots of people around, it is not uncommon to see the proverbial "pee bucket" being used and dumped over the side of the boat. :depressed: I am sure we all have seen the turned back with "the stance" followed by the dump over the side. :depressed:

Before I confess to being a violater I will let a few hundred others here fess up first . It cetainly isnt legal to dump human waste in the river untreated does anybody have a successful method to retain it on the boat without an accidental spilling? I dont have a porta potty on board like most people, so what do you use? A long day on the river with a full boat of people could lead to quite a container full.

Not that dumping it in the Willamette will adversely affect the water quality it certainly doesnt do it any good.

[ANDYCOHO]

One of my friends uses 1 gallon OJ containers(made out of sturdy white plastic). He even has them numbered, so each fisherman has his own OJ container.

It works surprisingly well!

[ 02-29-2004, 07:13 PM: Message edited by: ANDYCOHO ]

[Bait O' Eggs]

NOTE: potty humor is not allowed on ifish, so make a joke and probably find yourself on the sideline.

I was asking a serious question, knowing somebody has this figured out. While lots of others break the law.

[ZaQ]

It may be against the law, but do you think they are going to cite you? Seriously, how many people do this all the time and never get clipped? I personally don't think there is a reason to retain it on board............

[Chromaflage]

Believe it or not, urine is actually one of the most sterile fluids in the human body. The main problem with urine is the nitrogen content. Even with as many fishers as are usually on the river, I'm not sure it would actually have any significant impact on "water quality." I might be wrong here, but with respect to "human waste," I believe the restriction applies to solid human waste. I've never "saved" it for later disposal.

Maybe someone might have a better interpretation of the rule here. But, I've never really given it a thought.

ORS

[Rip'N'Lips]

My 2 thoughts..

The first is remember, the solution to pollution is dilution...

2nd... if the City of Portland can do it everytime it rains, my small bucket of urine isn't going to hurt a thing.. if the fish can do it so can I

I would however think twice before doing #2... find a dock for that for sure...

Rip'N'Lips

[Amahnee]

Yesterday I witnessed a fellow on the Sandy at the Stark St. bridge get out of a driftboat with four guy's and deficate or, defacate, I'm not sure of the spelling on that one. But I believe that to be a NoNo. Especially when the boat was right at Dabney. He could have very well have gone to the ramp and went to the facilities there. I don't know if they were part of the Steelheader Chapter that was having the fish along or not. The thing is, is that I saw it happen. Come on guy's, DO THE RIGHT THING! Think of the guy coming down on the bank to fish? You know how dogs are, would you be happy to see your dog who you took fishing with you come up with a big brown grin? USE YOUR HEADS! Maybe I should have said something, maybe not? What do you guy's think?

BOE is just upset, because on virtually all boats, except perhaps for a John :blush: boat or perhaps a Canoe, since the sides are so high up there, he would have to stand up on the gunnel to do it over the side? [img]graemlins/eek13.gif[/img] :tongue: :grin:

[sunshinefisherman]

I was a mechanic at a local wastewater treatment plant for years and the two biggest concerns for the rivers are solids (balloon fish and brown trout) and the bacteria created by the fecal matter. Urine while stinky and gross, is sterile.

Millions and Millions of gallons of water go down the river every day. It would take a awful lot of beered up fisherman to make any dent in the water quality.

Pooping on the beach is another matter. There are a number of porta-potties near the river but in times of crisis if you must do a "woodsie one," please give it and the paper a proper burial at least a foot deep.

I purchased a toilet seat for a 5 gallon bucket at the sportsman's show. Line the bucket with a kitchen trash bag and "away you go." This works OK if you are alone. :blush:

Dilution is the solution to pollution. :grin:

[steelhooked]

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[ 02-29-2004, 10:23 PM: Message edited by: crabbait ]

[Mikeymoto]

I don't have a problem with pee cans getting dumped in flowing water. It kinda bugs me when its done at low slack in tidewater, just sitting there, pee, all around, waiting for the tide to flush it away.
I also agree with ORS, with healthy operating kidneys it is a sterile fluid.
I would be interested what the law says though.
MM

[ 02-29-2004, 07:58 PM: Message edited by: Mikeymoto ]

[Hogback]

You guys pee in the river [img]graemlins/eek13.gif[/img] I never pee in the river . Like OregonRedside said unless you have a bladder infection urine could and has been used to clean wounds a little pee mixed in willie might be good for it.
Randy (which is Norwegian for enourmously large bladder)

[Mikeymoto]

Originally posted by Hogback:
Randy (which is Norwegian for enourmously large bladder) [/QB]

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica"> Randy I like that one.
I am part Norwegian also, that may explain why I can go (hold it) all day while fishing and it not bug me. Like I said it doesn't bug me..... but most of the time I hold it.
MM

[Lund]

animals urinate in the water all the time. Elk, deer, and so on. It's not a bad thing. If it bothers you then go to the bank and do it there.

[glowball]

I must be a wannabe (norwegian) cause I can go a whole day on the water and have no worries. I don't have a problem with people dumping their p can or leaning over the OTHER side of their boat.

[ZaQ]

I just thought of this, I have a friend who does multi day floats on the Deschutes. He is required to have a porta pot on board for the trip. I believe he told me that it is for solid matter only, urination should be done in the river.

[fortywinks]

As a side issue here, it would be nice if some guys would remember that fishing is not an all male affair anymore, and would show some class and respect for the ladies on the water. Please, use a container and a little decorum, and then empty it over the side. Standing up and just letting it go over the side is rather crude, and is not the type of flasher that will necessarily bring fish to your boat.

[Fish-n-Fever]

It cetainly isnt legal to dump human waste in the river untreated does anybody have a successful method to retain it on the boat without an accidental spilling?

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">This is simple...
Keep it in your bladder!
Ron

[spraguee]

I got this idea from a buddy of mine and it works great....I now use a 2 gallon gas tank as my "pee can". Its nice becuase its small and stores easily in the boat, and it seals tight with no leaks...then we usually find an out house or toliet of some-sort when we are done fishing for the day to dump the waste. This might not be the ideal thing for everyone, but its perfect for me and my boat...good luck out there...
tight lines.
-Eric

[Riverkeeper]

Do you think dumping it puts off the bite? I would imagine 10 guys in a line dumping a few gallons of pee over the side throughout the day might make the fish think about swimming the other way...

[Gun Rod Bow]

Originally posted by ZaQ:
how many people do this all the time and never get clipped?

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">If you use the OJ container, in a bumpy boat, you might :blush: :blush:

[SandySteel]

Amanhee
I am in serious doubt that the person you witnessed dumping on the bank was a member of the steelheaders. There was no fish along yesterday. Rather, the Tom McCall chapter was doing thier bi-annual cleanup of the stretch from Dabney down to Lewis and Clark. Seems kind of antithetical to the purpose of their trip yesterday.
I would say that you probably should have said something to him. But you would likely have just received the finger.

[Mad Mikey]

Half gallon gatorade bottle. Please oh please don't put it back in the cooler.... :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

[Chromaflage]

Originally posted by Riverkeeper:
Do you think dumping it puts off the bite?

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Well, now that the question is out there - here is a true and verifiable story. A couple years ago, my uncle and cousin came over here from Central Oregon to do some fall URB fishing. At that point, neither of them had ever caught a URB. We had been on the hook for a couple hours somewhere out of Chinook Landing. My uncle decided to use his Foldger's, aluminum "Porta-Potty."

As he was putting the can away, after dumping it into the drink - POUND DOWN! Bonk, bonk...his first URB ever. After the Chinese fire drill, and about a couple more hours on the hook, my uncle broke out the can once again (too much coffee, I guess). Dumped the can, put it away - cousin's rod - POUND DOWN! Didn't get that one to the boat. But I told my uncle to bottle that stuff. Could give Carrot Milk a run for its money. :grin:

ORS

[ 02-29-2004, 10:01 PM: Message edited by: OregonRedside ]

[Kentucky Hog Hunter]

ORS

Very Nice Kerry

[Chromaflage]

Seriously - true story - BendFishMan, where are you? Back me up here, man!!! :grin:

ORS

[Dipnet]

I don't know Kerry, it sounds kinda fishy to me!!

Dipnet :grin:

[ZaQ]

Keep it in your bladder? How long do you fish in a day? We are out there like 9 hours sometimes, and we drink water all day long, how are supposed to keep it in your bladder? Kaboom!

[SoundsFishy]

Always remember: "2 is toxic".

[dave6pack]

U got to be kidding

[Beefcake]

Zaq- Speaking of 'Kaboom', that is the reason that the sealed porta-potties are for solid waste only. I rafted the Grand Canyon in '92, and they had the same rules as are now in effect on the Deschutes. It turns out, if you pee and pooh in the same sealed container, it creates more methane gas and explodes! (My kids want to test it to see if it's true) :grin:

[Tacklebuster]

FortyWinks [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

My wife fishes with me a lot and it never ceases to amaze me when Mr. "I've had way to many beers" decides to stand up and raise the river level

I probably have the third smallest bladder in the world but I do show a little tact in dumping the bilge. I do not keep it in the boat and always dump it over when the opp. presents itself. With all the stuff that get's put in the river I doubt my offering and all of ours is just a mere rain drop in the bucket of life. No worries here

[stlhdr1]

Most fisherman put enough salt in their egg cures/herring cures that it shouldn't matter..

If I knew any better, pee is mainly salt water... Besides, the day I can't pee out the side of my boat is the day I quit fishing.... I won't be hanging the arse over the side though, I prefer the regular seat or the woods....
Keith :grin:

[hooksetter]

Can't figure out why you need to stand up and let everyone know your peeing, just sit there and drop it over the side this way no one knows that the coffee has gotten to you. Bring on URB's...

[k9jeff]

I Don't care what anyone does one way or the other.

BUT,,,,,, Please use a can...One thing I hate when fishing around other boats is to see some dude hanging "big jim and the twins" over the side while taking a leak. Its not cool...its wrong! Use a can, detergent jug, bleach bottle etc....

[LQQKASTAR]

i totaly agree with K9 jeff [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

[Bendman]

I don't have time to look at this but here it is http://www.boatoregon.com/PDF-Reports/liveaboard.pdf (oregon msd laws)

[Silver Hilton]

Originally posted by k9jeff:
Its not cool...its wrong!

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">It's also dangerous. I've heard that 80% of male boating drowning victims the coast guard recovers have their flies unzipped. Use a can, and be discreet.

[ 03-01-2004, 07:45 AM: Message edited by: Silver Hilton ]

[Metal Manipulator]

I agree be descrete, show some tact and dump the can over the side.

[Woody]

Reminds me of the punchline to a joke I know......... that water's cold..............and deep, too.

[ 03-01-2004, 08:08 AM: Message edited by: Woody ]

[Riverkeeper]

I've heard that 80% of male boating drowning victims the coast guard recovers have their flies unzipped.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Waitasecond... [img]graemlins/eek13.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/eek13.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/eek13.gif[/img]

[The Overfishin Condition]

I use the can, and dump it over. I've gone over the edge once or twice when no one was around, to save myself the possible technis shot resulting from rusty folgers can :shocked: But, usually use the can. Ironically, it was an older women, out fishing with my dad and two other guys, who remarked, after one of those used the can, "geesh, if I had one of those, I'd just sling it over the edge."

[Swim Shady]

This is a problem not uncommon to tree stand hunters BUT, no water to wash the urine away and a weary whitetail may have issue with the human scent. I have seen on the Outdoor Channel little pouches that when a person goes into the bag it turns it to a stiff gel, which can then be disposed of in a trash receptacle. It is a contained baggie for sanitary purposes. Sounds easy enough and you’re not going in the river.

[Amahnee]

Dear Sandy Steel:

You tell me if you know who it was? They were in a white or creme Hyde with blue & red stripes. My point is, if your gonna crap along the river do it more than 25 feet from the water. Belonging to the Steelheaders doesn't necessarily give one "angel" status. Even on a river clean-up day. Don't be so sensitive!

[Fish-n-Fever]

Keep it in your bladder? How long do you fish in a day? We are out there like 9 hours sometimes, and we drink water all day long, how are supposed to keep it in your bladder? Kaboom!

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">I didn't say this is what I do or what everyone should do! It is however the only way to Guarantee
no spillage in the boat, unless you figure the exploded bladder spillage!
We go in a bucket and rinse over the side like 99.9%of the boat fishing population. The rest are fortunate enough to have heads onboard!
If you want all the details and info on this subject I recomend reading "Properly disposing of liquid waste" By the renowned author...I.P. Freeley
Ron

[ 03-01-2004, 11:00 AM: Message edited by: Fish-n-Fever ]

[10 lb line]

Amahanee- Maybe you should gave offered him a "doggie bag!"
Just a thought.

[blacktail]

You guys are making this way too complicated. Do what I do and just wear a diaper.

Mike

[Degner]

Don't throw it out, I heard it was the secret ingredient in carrot milk. :grin:

[steel_beaver]

haha Norwegian...... that was funny...
well i'm not norwegian but when i go fishing, i get so carried away that i forget to drink, eat, and urinate all togetherer i can do that at home in front of the TV... :grin:
S B

[Hogback]

FNF
I.P. Freely, isn't that the guy that wrote the Yellow Rivers of Texas?
Randy

[EastCreek]

Amahnee- a few things for you.

I was on the boat that you felt you needed description on a public forum. Not sure of your motivation there....it's not my boat and not my fecal matter on the bank either.

For one, rather than getting all hot about it Ifish, I would suggest you say something to the person. You wouldn't have gotten the finger from us if you approached it right. You would, however,have gotten an explanation of sorts....along with a lot of laughter.

Much, MOST, of the drama on this site is due to being uninformed. It can be entertaining to read, but irritating when it relates to you. Anyways....

It was a serious emergency of unusual circumstance. We could not have rowed up to Dabney in time, and didn't have a motor like you did. My friend was sick, and took some serious medication, which did serious things to his stomach. He used the facilities at Lewis and Clark. 18 minutes labor and a few hundred yards down river from the put in at Dabney, the guy puts his rod down and stops fishing. He looked something like he was going into labor...heavy breathing and all. We BARELY got him to the bank in time, had him running through cold water in his jeans, and making it as far from the bank as he could.
*&^% happens, man. As for solid waste, I doubt he violated that either. In this case, if there was a bucket on board (there wasn't), I'd say blame it on me 'cause I didn't want to fish next to that episode.


Hope you can all find a bit of humor in this. I can't believe I defending this topic. Cracks me up, really. Take that story to Steelheaders and they can have a meeting to adjust the prescription for their members in need of antibiotics.

Anyone who still finds the need to "flame" this scenario....shall you be in the same position as my fiend was....someday....to far from the toilet that you soooooooo desire.

By the way, we couldn't touch a fish.

Peace.

[EastCreek]

Amahnee- a few things for you.

I was on the boat that you felt you needed description on a public forum. Not sure of your motivation there....it's not my boat and not my fecal matter on the bank either.

For one, rather than getting all hot about it Ifish, I would suggest you say something to the person. You wouldn't have gotten the finger from us if you approached it right. You would, however,have gotten an explanation of sorts....along with a lot of laughter.

Much, MOST, of the drama on this site is due to being uninformed. It can be entertaining to read, but irritating when it relates to you. Anyways....

It was a serious emergency of unusual circumstance. We could not have rowed up to Dabney in time, and didn't have a motor like you did. My friend was sick, and took some serious medication, which did serious things to his stomach. He used the facilities at Lewis and Clark. 18 minutes labor and a few hundred yards down river from the put in at Dabney, the guy puts his rod down and stops fishing. He looked something like he was going into labor...heavy breathing and all. We BARELY got him to the bank in time, had him running through cold water in his jeans, and making it as far from the bank as he could.
*&^% happens, man. As for solid waste, I doubt he violated that either. In this case, if there was a bucket on board (there wasn't), I'd say blame it on me 'cause I didn't want to fish next to that episode.


Hope you can all find a bit of humor in this. I can't believe I defending this topic. Cracks me up, really. Take that story to Steelheaders and they can have a meeting to adjust the prescription for their members in need of antibiotics.

Anyone who still finds the need to "flame" this scenario....shall you be in the same position as my fiend was....someday....to far from the toilet that you soooooooo desire.

By the way, we couldn't touch a fish.

Peace.

[Bait O' Eggs]

I started this thread with hesitation that Jen would close it down due to the potty humor which she doesnt find humorous.

I asked a simple question, because technically it is illegal to dump human waste over the side of the boat. I have read here, that most people dont think it is to big of a deal to dump urine in the river. I have done it for years like most every body else and each time I feel a little guilty. :blush:

I thought we had a good discussion going until the grade school jokes started getting slipped in. I am telling you, this thread wont last long with potty humor.

I have read several comments about the purity of urine I have just never thought of it of anything but waste.

I have a small daughter, and I think my next boat will have to have some sort of built in contained potty. She dont like exposing herself. Maybe I will be able to build it into a seat base.

[EastCreek]

Grade school jokes....whatever. I was trying to put a light, and informative spin, on a thread that was targeting a specific individual.

Bait-O-Eggs- your thread and your intentions for it are fine. Amahnee made something different of it.

I was not trying or intending to offend Jennie. It sure seems like Jennie is a positive person with a sense of humor. Many on this site are not that way. I could have engaged in creating drama, but chose to redirect it.


I have nothing else to say.

[Miss B Haven]

BOE- It is clearly illegal but also not highly enforced. This is one of those, don't ask, don't tell (or maybe, don't be blatent, don't be stupid) things.

Oh- And....another reason to fish the big blue beyond the 3 mile limit! :grin:

[ANDYCOHO]

Originally posted by Gun Rod Bow:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Originally posted by ZaQ:
how many people do this all the time and never get clipped?

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">If you use the OJ container, in a bumpy boat, you might :blush: :blush: </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">YES! YES! Remember to file to opening smooth :shocked:

[Kim Katsion]

As a woman and an avid fisherman I have seen too much of a couple of "boys" from the bank and boat. Relieving ones self on the river is fine, in a bucket or such, just don't hang it over the side. I have been known to remark to these "boys" from time to time and they usually don't appreciate it and I let them know that I didn't appreciate the exposure.

One of the previous posters stated something like, "if I can't hang it over the side I am just going to quit fishing". Well! I know for sure that exposing ones self in public is a crime, but dumping urine in the river is still questionably a crime.

I don't see a problem dumping it over the side, I do it. But I am also as discreat as possible and that is hard to do in a drift boat with no good bank access!

Tight lines and good fishing, Kimmer.

[ANDYCOHO]

These are a good option, but can get a little spendy...

[SPAZZ]

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