George Bush has Saved the Salmon

El-Kabong · 08-22-2003, 01:31 PM

http://www.msnbc.com/news/955588.asp?0cv=CB10

this is as good as Al Gore inventing the internet!

El!

DanS · 08-22-2003, 02:05 PM

Thanks George. Good work on that.........

Straydog · 08-22-2003, 02:05 PM

If people do not now believe that this man will say anything to benefit himself, they never will.

freespool · 08-22-2003, 02:17 PM

Kinda ironic that Bush would choose the monolithic fish killing Ice Harbor dam to tell us he saved the salmon.The emporor has no clothes. Next thing we'll hear is high levels of green house gasses, are accually good for the environment. Spin doctors, your ready order has been issued. This could be the largest divulgence of fertilizer the world has ever seen. We'll all be amazed at what money can buy,hopefully not another term.

skein · 08-22-2003, 02:59 PM

Uh...I don't want to jump on a baited hook, but could you share the quote where George says he saved the salmon? I read the article and I missed it somehow.

Skein

GutshotApe · 08-22-2003, 03:28 PM

Yeah...I missed it, too

. I did read this, however:

Quote:

George Bush: �The good news is that the salmon runs are up...we just need to make sure we keep that momentum.�

What's the problem with that? :whazzup:

Pete · 08-22-2003, 03:42 PM

Truth be told, MSNBC changed the story on the link above. The original story linked there painted a different picture.

2LEYS · 08-22-2003, 04:07 PM

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George Bush: �The good news is that the salmon runs are up...we just need to make sure we keep that momentum.�
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What's the problem with that?

The problem is that it was said by a republican and a lot of people will find fault with it reguardless of what it truely meant.

Straydog · 08-22-2003, 04:56 PM

The problem with that is that is not what the original story said.

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Born to be Wild · 08-22-2003, 08:15 PM

George Bush must have changed the story. :grin:

Heard he issued an executive order to MSNBC. :grin:

08-22-2003, 08:28 PM

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Originally posted by 2LEYS:
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George Bush: �The good news is that the salmon runs are up...we just need to make sure we keep that momentum.�
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What's the problem with that?

The problem is that it was said by a republican and a lot of people will find fault with it reguardless of what it truely meant. <hr /></blockquote>Well George Bush is not exactly (*spelling corrected thanks Snapset :tongue: ) "Mr. Environment" now is he? He shouldn't try to take credit it for the salmon recovery either if that's what he is trying to do.

[ 08-22-2003, 09:54 PM: Message edited by: Stew ]

skein · 08-22-2003, 08:33 PM

Still haven't heard the quote.

You don't suppose some reporter got the original story wrong, do you?

Skein

[ 08-22-2003, 09:36 PM: Message edited by: skein ]

Snapset · 08-22-2003, 08:37 PM

Where did George Bush take credit for saving the salmon? The President may be neither "Mr. Enviorment" nor Mr. Environment, but he did not try to take credit for the salmon anymore than Gore tried to take credit for inventing the Internet.

The sky is not falling and if you keep yelling that it is when it isn't, sooner or later I will quit paying attention to you.

GutshotApe · 08-22-2003, 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by Stew:
[He shouldn't try to take credit it for the salmon recovery either if that's what he is trying to do.

I didn't read that into his remarks...although if he were to take credit for the improved runs it wouldn't be an unreasonable claim...if the salmon had been in a steep decline since he took office, there'd be a lot of people blaming the decrease on him.

BonkBonkBonk · 08-22-2003, 08:47 PM

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08-22-2003, 08:51 PM

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Originally posted by Snapset:
Where did George Bush take credit for saving the salmon? The President may be neither "Mr. Enviorment" nor Mr. Environment, but he did not try to take credit for the salmon anymore than Gore tried to take credit for inventing the Internet.

The sky is not falling and if you keep yelling that it is when it isn't, sooner or later I will quit paying attention to you.

My first "bust" by the ifish spelling cops.
Hey Snap have you been paying attention to me in the past? I'm flattered :blush:

Gary Wolfer · 08-22-2003, 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by Stew:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 2LEYS:
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George Bush: �The good news is that the salmon runs are up...we just need to make sure we keep that momentum.�
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What's the problem with that?

The problem is that it was said by a republican and a lot of people will find fault with it reguardless of what it truely meant. <hr /></blockquote>Well George Bush is not exactly "Mr. Enviorment" now is he? He shouldn't try to take credit it for the salmon recovery either if that's what he is trying to do. At least George Bush knows the runs are up Clinton thought you could get a hard liquor drink at Mcdonalds. LOL<hr /></blockquote>

Snapset · 08-22-2003, 09:00 PM

Sometimes, Stew. The really remarkable thing is that I spelled all of my words correctly. That just doesn't happen very often.

Born to be Wild · 08-22-2003, 09:03 PM

Stewie got busted!

That�s alright Stew, I get busted even when I use Microsoft Word! :grin:

08-22-2003, 09:09 PM

It was my first Danny [img]graemlins/1zhelp.gif[/img] I found that the older I get the worse my spelling is. If Jennie ever gets a spell check on here we'll all look like geniuses :grin:

Born to be Wild · 08-22-2003, 10:06 PM

That's all right. Just don't call me; oh Danny boy... :grin:

I've noticed that with the age thing also. Been along time since '72 and school! :shocked:

Maybe someone could start a thread on that someday. Maybe its already been done? Maybe it would be too depressing? :grin:

You and AuntyM are welcome to join me on the Cowlitz for some fun silver fishing this fall if you'de like.

Dan

08-22-2003, 11:39 PM

Cowlitz sounds like fun Dan. Just let me know when

Pete · 08-23-2003, 05:31 AM

OK, class, before we speculate too much on what the president did or didn't say, we have a brief reading assignment. Text of Bush Speech at Ice Harbor .

Yes, there will be a quiz.

2LEYS · 08-23-2003, 07:43 AM

Still don't see where he took credit.

SouthCoastStu · 08-23-2003, 07:48 AM

EK, DS, SD, FS, Stew:

Pete · 08-23-2003, 07:53 AM

What would be interesting would be if someone could search their cache for a copy of the original story. Also, I'd like to know how that was published and the story behind how it happened, but I don't think it'll be published on MSNBC.

What isn't needed is a bunch of people lining up on each side of the issue and spitting at each other. There's still a lot of work to ensure the continued restoration of healthy salmon runs in the Columbia.

GutshotApe · 08-23-2003, 08:08 AM

OK...I read it, too. Great speech. Sure didn't see anything even close to Bush claiming he has saved the salmon. He did commit to continuing federal support for restoration...and, he said:

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by President Bush: There's a group called Fish First. I met a fellow named Gary Loomis. And I appreciate Gary coming today. Gary is a guy who cares about restoring salmon runs and salmon habitat. So he and a group of volunteers have come together to work on the salmon projects around the state of Washington. They're installing culverts to accommodate the fish. They're creating side channels and ponds. They're getting their money through private donations. There's a lot of people who care about salmon runs, and they ought to be helping by contributing money. And they're using volunteers and some public grants.

As I understand that Gary Loomis' group is going to add another 4,900 foot of stream channel, mainly through volunteer work. And I appreciate what you're doing, Gary. I want to -- why don't you stand up and give people a chance to look at you and let you know the -- (applause). I want to thank you for what you're doing. This will give me a chance to tell the people of the great state of Washington and Oregon that if you're interested in salmon runs, if you want to do your part about conserving this great legacy, volunteer with groups like Gary Loomis' group.

There's a lot of good conservation groups that have a good common-sense view about making sure that the quality of human life is strong, and the quality of fish life is vibrant and healthy, as well. Volunteer help makes a difference. (Applause.)

I appreciate the positive attitude that people have here in this part of the world, the can-do attitude -- "here is a problem; let's go solve it together."

I especially liked the photo of Bush with the huge power/navigation dam and harvested wheatfield in the background...great political imagery!

freespool · 08-23-2003, 08:40 AM

Pete, your right about there being alot of work to be done to save salmon. I also think it is ironic that the President would choose one of the four biggest reasons salmon are having a tough time on the Snake. The fact of the matter is those dams represent 14% of the power generated by the B.P.A.,and they furnish water to irrigate 45,000 acres of farm land. These dams have been singled out by AFS or American Fisheries Society,which is a fraternal organization of fisheries biologists,as the single most distructive force on the Snake River. What these dams do in essence is enable barge traffic to access Lewiston Idaho. So if the President is truely commited to saving salmon,he might listen to the scientists for a change. Like that's going to happen.

GutshotApe · 08-23-2003, 08:53 AM

Freespool: Its not gonna happen...take out the dams, that is....Bush was clear about that. He thinks there is a technological fix for the harm the dams do to fish...and he is convinced the dams are a significant economic asset to the region & country. So, forget dam breaching for the remainder of Bush's term (thru 2008

).

freespool · 08-23-2003, 09:20 AM

GSA,just because he said we're not breaching the dams doesn't make it right. Facts are facts the four dams on the lower Snake don't generate enough money to be self supporting. They must be subsidized by the tax payers. So where is the great benifit for these dams? I'll tell you Mr. GSA, just take a look in the pork barrel. The reasons for building the dams in the 60-70's may have been noble,but time has proved they are a detriment to all anadromous fish. There are many ecomomic benefits not tied to farming,barging and small time hydro generating. These interests are also self supporting and need no federal subsidies. He's 100% correct,there is a technological fix,it's called dam breaching.

Thumper · 08-23-2003, 10:17 AM

Dream on, Freespool. People, not fish, vote. And the people upstream of those dams are critical votes.

dampainter · 08-23-2003, 10:20 AM

so bush says we will not breach any of these dams....finally something bush and I agree on something, way to go mr. president!

BonkBonkBonk · 08-23-2003, 10:38 AM

i was reading that in STS that in order for idaho power to relicence the snake river dams, they have to get fish going back over the dams!

freespool · 08-23-2003, 12:32 PM

Thumper,forgive me for not being more clear. My reference was the four dams on the lower snake. Primary purpose is barge movement. Minimal hydro power and not much irrigation. Not economically solvent,with much stress to fish and fish passage.

dampainter · 08-23-2003, 11:20 PM

must consider the source of info....

freespool · 08-23-2003, 11:23 PM

Thumper,precisely my point. People taking precedence over fish. That is how we got in this mess,and unless we change,this is where we'll stay. Mans insatiable appetite to conquer nature,under the cause that this will better mankind,is wrong. We need to evolve and right the wrong,if fish are really going to thrive in our rivers again.

Thumper · 08-23-2003, 11:44 PM

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Originally posted by freespool:
Mans insatiable appetite to conquer nature,under the cause that this will better mankind,is wrong.

Actually it has worked out that way in most cases, but not in a few. Mitigation steps (hatcheries) were to make up for the loss of fish passage. Who'da thunk that hatcheries weren't going to be the answer in all situations?

Keep in mind that all those dozens of dams also function for flood control and water retention throughout a huge area. Without them there would be little if any flow in the Columbia in late summer, and raging floods in the late winter seasons.

You win some, you lose some.

[ 08-23-2003, 12:47 PM: Message edited by: Thumper ]

dampainter · 08-25-2003, 05:00 AM

not this again.....

Straydog · 08-25-2003, 05:24 AM

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Originally posted by dampainter:
not this again.....

Sad but true...... until the real problems are dealt with, they won't simply go away.

That is simply reality.

lost_sailor · 08-25-2003, 07:49 AM

Thanks George. Next week a cure for cancer! What a guy. [img]graemlins/dork.gif[/img]

dampainter · 08-25-2003, 08:25 AM

straydog your right...just like the dams, this topic will never go away.