Gag order Kobe Bryant case

FastAction · 08-07-2003, 01:54 PM

How do you feel about the Gag oreder placed by the Eag, county judge from letting the media name the Accuser? I argue this type of restriction places a bias that protects the So called victim. In a trial you are innocent till proven guilty. I think its BS to name the Accused but not the Accuser.

OceanBlue · 08-07-2003, 01:59 PM

FA - I see your point, but if she is indeed a "victim", hasn't she been violated enough? :whazzup:

Or are you implying that she is guilty? :whazzup:

ORrinker · 08-07-2003, 02:43 PM

Okay, I have to reply to this. I have heard too many people whining about poor Kobe? He knew the possible repercussions of whatever he did when he did it.
Whether he is guilty or not is for a jury to decide. When you are a public figure you have to be extraordinarily careful in what you say or do and that just comes with the territory.
Believe me, he is well compensated for all the scrutiny that fame can cause.
I am not judging him as only two people know the true story and the courts will do what is appropriate.

As far as naming the victim? How would you like it if your mother or sister was ***** and their name was released to the media so everyone could ridicule them. There are good reasons that victims names are not released. If he is not found guilty everyone will know her name and she will live with ridicule for the rest of her life. Kobe on the other hand will have no problem restoring his image. I am appalled that a moron like Tom Leykis was so quick to judge her and release her name to the world. I usually listen to him on a regular basis just for laughs but this time he stepped over the edge and therefore forced the judges hand so that he would have to issue a gag order.
We should all let the justice system take care of this instead of rushing to judgement about something we know nothing about.

Randy

BTW Oceanblue, it appears we work for the same company:-)

[ 08-07-2003, 03:48 PM: Message edited by: ORrinker ]

FastAction · 08-07-2003, 02:52 PM

Well even if she has suffered, and been through enough, that still doesn't justify her Identity being kept a secret, especially after the secret has been out! I am sure she just wants justice, as we all do but the courts shouldn't be able to keep her identity a secret from the media, and the rest of us nosey people.. if Kobe is being exploited so should she.. Filing charges are like a challenge.. The 2 challenger's stats need to be known! IMO.. She is guilty of trying to be a Gold digging attention lover!

ORrinker · 08-07-2003, 02:59 PM

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IMO.. She is guilty of trying to be a Gold digging attention lover!

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you had already tried and acquitted him??? Maybe someone should call someone in Colorado and tell them so they do not waste time and money on another trial???

I will guarantee if she is really doing what you say that she will pay for it dearly in the end but until then we all need to just let the justice system do it's job and give her the same respect we would give any alleged victim.

Randy

[ 08-07-2003, 04:00 PM: Message edited by: ORrinker ]

OceanBlue · 08-07-2003, 03:10 PM

You both have very lovely mustaches!
:grin:

FA - I liked Randy's analogy. If your mother or sister were *****, would you want them to fear reporting it because they would lose their privacy? And further, would you have them fear reporting it because there is a certain portion of the population that would speculate that she was a gold-digger, somehow deserved it, or was somehow responsible for what happened?

Don't get me wrong, I do believe that people have a huge responsibility in what happens to them. There are very few 'true' victims, but that doesn't make the crime less punishable. the "victim" may be guilty of poor judgement, but last I heard, that was not against the law.

FastAction · 08-08-2003, 09:27 AM

Hey Listen to the Facts... the cat was out of the bag... Leykis named her.. Now her name is out and THEN the gag order! That is where the biasing will be.. I doubt if Kobe walks away innocent that Kate Faber will have to live in humiliation... Come on! As for my Mom or sister getting ***** and their identity getting out to the public... That is a whole different level.. Kobe is a Super star, the world knows him, the world needs to know who accuses him! Hundreds of Sex assalut cases happen each day.. YOU never hear about them because they are NO NAMERS! Even the Local news papers don't get wind of them.. So both Parties are kept a secret till the trial! I believe if Kobe wins the trial, he will be a fair player and not rub it in!

STGRule · 08-08-2003, 10:11 AM

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I doubt if Kobe walks away innocent that Kate Faber will have to live in humiliation...

Why would you doubt that? She has already been tried in the press simply because they do know her name. The damage is done already.

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Come on! As for my Mom or sister getting ***** and their identity getting out to the public... That is a whole different level..

I don't understand. A human is a human. His or her **** would be no different than anybody else�s. Whether you know them or not is irrelevant.

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Kobe is a Super star, the world knows him, the world needs to know who accuses him!

Why? How did he get special privileges that are not afforded the rest of us?

Let's take it one step further toward you. Let's say YOU were the one that was *****. It can happen to either males or females because **** is a power/humiliation thing, not sexual in any way. The method is just the weapon, not the result. I'm going to guess that you would like to be able to report the crime so the rapist could be punished without the fear that somebody who doesn't know you will decide that "you deserved it" or "asked for it" or "are just looking for publicity". I'm sure you would prefer the court to make that value judgement. Not some sports-caster.
The results will be public record so what's the point of trying the case in public before the real trial? Is it of some advantage to you to know now rather than later?

ORrinker · 08-08-2003, 10:21 AM

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As for my Mom or sister getting ***** and their identity getting out to the public... That is a whole different level.. Kobe is a Super star, the world knows him, the world needs to know who accuses him! [QB]

So what your saying is that as a superstar he should be held to a different standard??? Wow, I guess being famous does have it's privileges. Maybe we should just draft a new Constitution and new laws for famous people??? Does a good jumpshot allow you exemption from the norm???

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[QB] Hundreds of Sex assalut cases happen each day.. YOU never hear about them because they are NO NAMERS!

I beg to differ with you here. The accused is almost always named while the victim's name is always withheld. Just look at the Oregonian on any given day.

As to Leykis, just because he has no moral character or backbone does not mean that it should now be okay to drag the alleged victim's name through the mud.

Randy

[ 08-08-2003, 11:21 AM: Message edited by: ORrinker ]

FastAction · 08-08-2003, 03:06 PM

As to Leykis, just because he has no moral character or backbone does not mean that it should now be okay to drag the alleged victim's name through the mud.

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Leykis, like the rest of us Isn't dragging her name through the mud, he is just iforming us about the accusers history! Its going to be impossible to have an un-biased jury because they all know about Kobe from the 10M$ Diamond to the acceptance speech at the Tenny bopper awards! Nobody has been "Victimized" yet and won't be till the trial is over! If I was ever ***** it would be a "Real" instance... because unlike Kate Faber, I wouldn't be trying to get rich the Monica Lewinsky style! Wake up people, this is a classic case of a GOLD DIGGING ATTENION LOVER! Hey if you can't make it on American Idol, Screw over the NBA's hottest young superstar! Instant Celebrity, just add accusations!

STGRule · 08-08-2003, 03:12 PM

Explain to me again how a **** victum makes money from being *****?

And how exactly is:

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because unlike Kate Faber, I wouldn't be trying to get rich the Monica Lewinsky style! Wake up people, this is a classic case of a GOLD DIGGING ATTENION LOVER!

not dragging her name through the mud?

ORrinker · 08-08-2003, 03:29 PM

Okay fastaction, I have a hypothetical situation that you tell me how you would feel if it happened.
You are staying in a hotel and you look across the lobby and find Mike Tyson looking at you with lust in his eyes.

Later he follows you to your room and against your wishes takes you in the way that only a man can.

According to your thinking if you report it then it is okay for the national media to drag your name through the mud and say that it was really your fault anyway because you were just wanting to make money off being *****. Or the other way you might handle it would be to not report it as he is a celebrity and somehow has the right to do whatever he wants. These are the two scenarios that your thinking would allow.

How would you handle it?

Remember we are talking about a famous person with money and someone that is is most likely unknown.

We all live under the same set of laws and we all must be treated equally no matter what your field goal percentage.

Personally, I hope he is innocent as I too enjoy watching him play but since I do not know the facts I will withhold judgement.

Randy

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1pump · 08-08-2003, 04:05 PM

Kate Faber? Is that her name? I honestly didn't know her name until I read it here. I heard it was all over the Web, but I wasn't looking for it.

Gold digging? I don't buy it. If Kobe bought his wife a $4M ring to apologize after the fact, just think what he would have paid to keep it quiet. :shocked: He's not stupid. If she was after money, we never would have heard about this. She can always win a civil suit, but that would be nowhere near as convenient as hush money.

Hoosier Daddy · 08-13-2003, 02:52 PM

Kobe screwed up. Whether he assaulted her or not, he screwed up, and probably broke the law as well (IMO). He doesn't deserve any protection. There are laws protecting the victims in cases like this for a reason. The only reason her name got out in the first place is because it was Kobe. Period. If it wasn't Kobe, a gag order wouldn't have been necessary. Screw Kobe. If he is aquitted and turns out she made it up, then tell us her name.