Leaving Ifish

FishinMission · 07-23-2003, 04:56 PM

Well...what I had thought to be a great friendship that blossomed here on Ifish has come to an end.

I got "dissed" because my fishing buddy (?)resented the fact that I didn't post an "Atta Boy" when he caught a fish and/or my decision to let by-gones be by-gones. Oh my.

It's been almost three years now that I've been here...often contributing information, yeah..buttin' heads, and trying to come clean too.

But this friendship ending thing has me devastated.

I've seen too many people get hurt feelings taking things too seriously. I've seen people come and go, then come back, then go...or even do stupid stuff that requires "nuking" by the mods just to get thrown out. Now it's hitting me.

Some even think I have a hidden agenda for developing followers and groupies?? Not.

I'm just not a happy camper here anymore.

So I am leaving. Not to return. Ever. And I am a man of my word.

So..in closing...I want to thank all of you that have supported me, put up with my controversial (but never intended to be controversial)posts.

The future is uncertain for my lovely wife and I.
We are both tired of the "corporate" BS, and are exploring our owning our own business..perhaps even in another state (but I sure don't want to.)

You guys and gals be good. If you happen to see me on the water...Say "hi".

See ya...it's been fun.
Mark

DanS · 07-23-2003, 05:24 PM

Mark,

Always enjoyed your posts. I'd encourage you to continue being an I-fisher......but, of course, that's your decision.

Sorry to hear you're leaving, and here's hoping you'll reconsider.

Good luck

Dan

Cool Texan · 07-23-2003, 05:26 PM

Good luck to you in the future.

Tilla · 07-23-2003, 05:30 PM

Sorry to hear of the distraught. It's too bad. Your input was always creative and interesting.

Drachir · 07-23-2003, 05:43 PM

Mark,

Will miss you a lot, you're a good guy!! Thanks!! [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

You have mail

Fshklr · 07-23-2003, 06:00 PM

Mark,
Though we have not met I have thought you to be of a fine caliber and one to help and contribute info when possible. Take care in your ventures and may you and your wife prosper wherever your ventures take you. :grin:

Mad Mikey · 07-23-2003, 06:00 PM

Good grief Mark, is it that bad?
Don't let the moaners get you down. Just stay out of the big frays and come back time to time. Don't let one guy get you down. I stay out of the big frays and keep it diplomatic, been flamed a few times but so what? It's just fishing.
If one guy wants to give me hell about a post, so what? It don't cost me money, doesn't take away my girl or give me health problems. We are just a bunch of folk tapping away on a keyboard.
Now I want some cookies!!! :grin:

Mikey

Jennie@ifish · 07-23-2003, 06:08 PM

Bye Mission... I'll certainly miss you. :depressed:

I understand, so much how this online stuff can get to you after a while. People, including myself, and it sounds like you too, do take things too seriously.

Maybe the answer is not to quit, but to take things a little lighter. Smile at the people here, and let them smile back. Take some time to enjoy human nature and all that it has to offer, the good, and the bad.

Understand, above all, that even the toughest fisherman out there has feelings that are delicate, and should be handled with care.

If we all were just a bit more sensitive to the fact that we all need love and caring, then the world would be a better place to be.

Thanks for reminding me of this. We all need to hear it, and practice it.

Big hugs from Jennie to both you and your wife, and good luck in whatever venture you choose.

But, best of luck in mending that friendship that took hours and days to build. Don't let a few minutes of miscommunication ruin that for either of you. People need people, and real friends are rare. I still think you have one, there.

Jen

5-Cents · 07-23-2003, 06:27 PM

FM comon dont let people get to you like that... you are just giving them what they want. [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img]

What really matters is what you think of yourself. you will never, ever, ever please 100% of the people all the time but you can pretty darn near please yourself 100% of the time. :grin: I'm sure this "thing" that is going on will blow over then comes the best part of fighting... thats right the "make-up fishing" :shocked: :shocked: Let me tell ya there is no better fishing in the world than "make-up fishing"

If you do head down the road take care and I hope to see you out there on the water yarding in a big one

Lured In · 07-23-2003, 07:13 PM

Mark...while I have yet to meet you, I have enjoyed your posts and first hand stories from FWF1. :grin:

Tips on spinners (flash glos) and the ever popular "Spanky"

, ifish just wouldn't be the same without you. [img]graemlins/1zhelp.gif[/img]

Yes, people come and go, but you and a few others were the ones that got me hooked on ifish two years ago. [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img] I am certain I am not the only one that feels this way.

I understand you may have made up your mind, but feel free to change it. I for one, would be happy to see you stay. :grin:

BrionLutz · 07-23-2003, 07:47 PM

FishinMission,

Quote:

I got "dissed" because my fishing buddy (?)resented the fact that I didn't post an "Atta Boy" when he caught a fish and/or my decision to let by-gones be by-gones. Oh my.

Sounds like something more going on there. That sounds so small.

It's a shame the "Effect of LIG Messages on Man in the Moon Marigolds" thread got deleted.

Some interesting comments on how online communities affect folks.

I'd refer you to that thread but it's gone.

Brion

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Jennie@ifish · 07-24-2003, 05:19 AM

Brion,
Sorry that thread got deleted, but the author insisted, and my hands were tied.
I think we aren't going to allow that anymore.
I feel that when people take the time to post to a post that someone started, then it's their responsibility to keep it up.
So, from now on, stated policy here: You start a thread, and if people respond to it, it stays.
Where's my Bobber-- The goal of ifish is not only to learn, but to teach.
Mark was wonderful at teaching people. He was so helpful and kind. Unfortunately, when you do that, sometimes you go to far, and your fishing spots get crowded. I think that kind of turned Mark off to helping, too.
Anyway, I and many others appreciated Mark's caring and advice for many years. I can understand if he is tired of ifish.
Sometimes, late at night when I am tired, I also feel like giving up on ifish. It's like, "Why do I do it?"
Then, someone posts a picture that makes me smile, or someone shares a fish story of fishing with their Dad or something, that touches me deeply.
--Or, we get together for Christmas, and help children to have a more joyous Christmas.
It's then that I am resolved to keep ifish going.

It's dramatic here on ifish. People love, hate, break rules, and challenge people. It's all life, and it's all candid, as people can type things they wouldn't ordinarilly say to others, in real life.

Running ifish, I can't tell you the number of nights I have gone to bed in tears, hurt by something someone typed with absolutely no thought about how it would affect me.

I've gotten a little tougher, but as the owner, I find it more difficult to quit than the ordinary ifisher! I have to think twice, and three times, because there ARE people who love it, and there are people who are learning from it.

Anyway, if Mark needs to go, I can understand it. I don't like it, but I can relate.

Sometimes I think computers never should have been invented!!! :smile:

But they are, and ifish IS.

If I can only make some of the people happy, some of the time, I will get by-- But that doesn't mean I don't try reall hard to do much better than that.

Jen

trap50 · 07-24-2003, 05:40 AM

If everyone had the experience I had on the net there wouldn't be any unhappy people. I met my wife on the net 5 years ago last Friday. Best way I can think of handeling things here is dwell on the good and remember it's just words in print. Think would they say this to my face? I don't know where this went but had to say something.

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FEAR NO FISH! · 07-24-2003, 05:53 AM

What we have here is a failure to communicate. Mark, you don't know me but I know of you and who you are at odds with. He is a friend of mine. I think you and I will be friends someday. I can sense that both of you are stubborn as hell. You both have a lot of pride. Sometimes things get all twisted up and they are hard to fix. It isn't so hard if one of you would make the first move to make the fix. Everybody does or says something that can inflame another person. Life is very short. You can either make the most of it or lose out on a very valuable friendship. Swallow your pride and talk it over with him. You know he is set in his ways but it is nothing that can't be hashed out over a 30 pound hog! C'mon you old bull, give it a shot!

2LEYS · 07-24-2003, 06:22 AM

What about your own words?

Quote:

FishinMission
Ifish Nate
Member # 706

posted

O.K...So I confess...There's been a few individuals here over the years on this board that I've butted heads...er I mean "posts" with.

Funny how it works out though. I think the first one was Bernie(Catch'N Eat)..guess I "irked" him one day at Tillamook. But we worked it out...and now..though we don't see each other on a "personal" friend type basis...we often communicate...and kind of keep in touch..ya know??

Well...I been buttin heads a bit with 5 Cents and his gang of Carrot Milkers.

One thing I noticed about Bernie...as much as he made me mad...when we got in a boat together and started fishing...all those differences went away.

Sit down now...Yesterday I took 5 Cents
and XTC out..yeah...you read that right.

While the fishing was poor, I got to know these two guys...and they are cool. They like to have fun. We will fish together again.

So for some of you folks that get caught up in "Bulletin Board" "politics"or "BS"...Try and let the Bulletin Board BS go to the side. There's some way cool people out there. Have fun...meet people...catch fish.

My apologies go out to any and all of those of you I have offended..sheesh..I won't name them all. The list is probably too long...

Think about it wouldya?

Mark

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"Not all who wander are lost.....'

fishing is life · 07-24-2003, 06:45 AM

Hi Mark , I hope you change your mind about leaving. Like you said ifish before should not be taken too seriously. We have bumped heads before but we made our peace too. We all have said or written things in the heat of the moment that if we would have taken a step back we probably would not have said those things. I think let time mends some wounds and make peace cause that is the only way to a happy life.

greenbuttskunk · 07-24-2003, 07:14 AM

Mark,
I hate to see anyone leave. I think everyone one on this site has something to offer. Insight, friendship, advice, helpful hints, humor, support, a good laugh, common bonds. Even constructive criticism. There are so many fantastic and very passionate people here. I'm sure there will be a number of us who will feel the void of your absence in some way. I hope you can overcome this obstacle that seems to taint the joys of why this site exists to you. We'd love to keep you, but if you do go, I wish you and your wife peace and prosperity in the future. Maybe one day I'll run into you on the water, and although I have never met you, I'll say hello anyway.
Best regards,
Brad (greenbuttskunk)

Born to be Wild · 07-24-2003, 07:16 AM

Mark,

I'm not really familliar with your postings as I am somewhat new to ifish. But I see by the replies that you are appreciated here and have been very beneficial to some of the ifisher's.

It looks like you have been out voted dude and that means you should stay. We will accept you are not a man of your word in this circumstance due to popular demand. That's not being guilty of not being a man of your word when you have been asked to stay with us.

I left once and came back and I'm a man of my word also but changed my mind.

Make mends and come on back. I did.

I've fished and talked on the phone with folks from here that you would suspect as being mortal enemies but as your post that someone re-posted said, you find out that most if not all of them are real people. Just have different views or oppinions.

I think we all have discovered we can't make everybody happy all the time.

One day I make someone happy and the next day not. We are all different individuals and unique.

Hope you change your mind. :smile:

It's OK to change your mind.

Dano

Day 12

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Born to be Wild · 07-24-2003, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Running ifish, I can't tell you the number of nights I have gone to bed in tears, hurt by something someone typed with absolutely no thought about how it would affect me.

Jen, maybe you should send the individuals a private email when that happens simply letting them know that it saddened you.

Better yet, have your hubby send �em one! :grin: Well you� :grin:

Maybe then the individuals would realize the sensitivities and rethink and edit there post. Maybe.

Hope I haven't caused you grief in that way and if I have, I'm sorry. I apologize.

Dan

BrionLutz · 07-24-2003, 12:05 PM

Jennie,

Quote:

Sorry that thread got deleted, but the author insisted, and my hands were tied.

No problem...it was just that it dovetailed perfectly with FishinMission's comments and situation and might have given him a different perspective.

I must have missed the thread where FishinMission got "dissed" for something as silly as not posting an attaboy or maybe it happened via email.

Online communities are new and have different dynamics.

I think they are really cool because it's kind of technology's solution to technology's problem. We are forced be so focused on our little worlds. We don't have the actual community we had before where people mixed it up a lot more than today.

I remember in my hometown, it seemed like Mayberry in retropsect, we had rich kids, poor kids, middle income kids. Folks knew people as people so that things were tempered by personal relations. The guy that got you mad at the dance was the guy you were cheering for on your ball team.

Today we don't get to know folks in several dimensions.

Ifish for example, fishing provides the "community", something we all do and like so that, no matter our wild and crazy disagreements on other issues, we return to something we have in common.

You see this with other issues that come up, the person who disagrees with you on X, agrees with you on Y so you might be more diplomatic discussing Z.

Brion

dampainter · 07-24-2003, 01:46 PM

Mission, don`t leave for good, just take a break.

Bait O' Eggs · 07-24-2003, 01:58 PM

Mark
May our paths cross often on the water, and best of luck to you. I will always give you a wave and wish you the best.

I have never understood the reasons people leave ifish (by their own choice

) and then either stay gone, or come back multiple times in some peoples case.

but if it is what you want/need, best of luck to you.

If you ever rename your boat to "Dumb(*** ) Magnet" like you have mentioned, I would get a chuckle :tongue:

Tight lines to the cookie man

Roy

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Jennie@ifish · 07-24-2003, 02:20 PM

OK Mark. It's settled.
YOU ARE NOT LEAVING IFISH!

No one can ever really leave ifish. Isn't that spooky? :smile:

You are here to stay, dude. In fact, I just might make you a moderator again. :smile: I can do that and you can't even do anything about it!

:smile:

PLEASE? :depressed:

Jen

Silver Hilton · 07-24-2003, 07:22 PM

Jennie, is that kind of like the Eagles song, "You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave?"

Jennie@ifish · 07-24-2003, 07:25 PM

Dang! I tried and tried to think of that!
Thank you!
I think I'm getting old... [img]graemlins/dork.gif[/img]

CATCH AND EAT · 07-25-2003, 07:24 AM

As a person that "butted heads" with ya I have to chime in here. I was new to ifish when this happened. Long story short, appologies were made as well as a couple of fishing trips had. You and Jan are good people. Your imput in the past has been appreciated by me.

Because of you and David Johnson I had the best springer season ever. You both fish differently and your methods are tried and true. I appreciate your help, e-mails, and phone conversations. Way cool.

I hate to see a friendship between you and ______ end. I suspecet it will all blow over but it will take some work.

One problem I see with you leaving is that it is not i-fishes fault that you have a disagreement with ______. Why punish us???

We did'nt do it. :whazzup: Sure there are some of us that are complete idiots here but you get that at work too. Just part of life dude. Buck up, pucker up and come on back for a spell. Agree to disagree with ______. Go your own ways but don't ditch us here. Pretty bummed about your decision Mark. RECONSIDER DUDE!!!! I hope the other person involved will do the same. I hope he does'nt just throw away a friendship like yesterdays news. He's a better person than that. RIGHT ______?

Jennie@ifish · 07-25-2003, 07:30 AM

Yeah, what he said!!!

[img]graemlins/stupid.gif[/img]

(replace "stupid" with "Oh mighty wise one!"

CATCH AND EAT · 07-25-2003, 08:35 AM

Thanks for the clarification Jen. :grin:

07-25-2003, 06:54 PM

Man this just sucks! :depressed: Mark you're one of the most knowledgable,sincere guys I've ever met and ifish will be a poorer place without you. I hope you reconsider.
Mark has gotten me into a lot of fish, fish I would never have caught otherwise. He is generous with his vast knowledge about salmon fishing and alot of fun to be with.
Ifish has gotten huge so with all that growth it is bound to be a little more impersonal. I love it here though and after leaving for awhile myself I can think of no place I'd rather be.
Met many great people here and Mark is one of them.

Mrdorkfish · 07-25-2003, 09:08 PM

Mark, Uh... Only a few waves and words between you and I out on the CR...but i'd like to actually get to fish with you some time if possible..Let me know if you have an open seat on a Thursday or Friday..I know alot of chit can happen at once in a persons life ..hope all is well for you !

MrDorkfish [img]graemlins/dork.gif[/img]

Louis

Bendman · 07-26-2003, 07:45 AM

So are you going to stay or what??

This is like a movie, you have to see what happens in the end. :smile: P.S. hope you stay

Thumper · 07-26-2003, 09:18 AM

Mark --- I surely hope you stay. I wouldn't miss you too much, but I would hate to lose that gorgeous wife from Ifish events. :grin:

Killertraylor · 07-28-2003, 10:04 AM

When a guy says "I'm a man of my word" it makes it pretty tough for him to come back so I wouldn't keep your fingers crossed. However, if you are still lurking out there FishinMission, you might consider this. I left ifish for about 6 months because of some major crap I was taking from some idiots who eventually got kicked off the board. When I think back on it, it was stupid to let it get to me.

Take 5-cents for example. He's taken a lot of crap here, but he just doesn't let it get to him. It makes for some fun talk on the boat venting about what some mod did, or whatever your beef is. He's benefited in many ways from this board with some great friendships that he wouldn't have developed otherwise which totally outweigh the negativity of a few bad apples. That's the way I feel now. I try not to worry about the naysayers and just enjoy the friendships and good information you can't get anywhere else.

Be the bigger man and come back - don't let something that you'll regret in 6 months keep you from some good friendships and laughs along the way.

Good luck to you and your wife on making out of your "mid-life crisis"

07-28-2003, 10:16 AM

[img]graemlins/hearton.gif[/img] Spanky's Daddy! [img]graemlins/hearton.gif[/img]

FEAR NO FISH! · 07-28-2003, 10:19 AM

:grin:

boater · 07-28-2003, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Killertraylor:
I left ifish for about 6 months because of some major crap I was taking from some idiots who eventually got kicked off the board. When I think back on it, it was stupid to let it get to me.

i was one of the idiots who realy dragged you over the coals, i`m sorry i ever did that as it was not right, everyone has the right to there own opinion and i didnt respect yours and alot of other peoples and i apologize for being such a jerk, jim.

DF · 07-28-2003, 11:55 PM

Mark, I butted heads with you one time about secret spots, which was wrong on my part, and I have fished next to you once and your a great guy!
Good luck
Dustin

Killertraylor · 07-28-2003, 11:58 PM

Ya know, Boater - I have no recollection of you ever being unkind to me. If you did, I guess I just brushed it off and forgot about it. I don't ever recall being insulted by anything you said, but thank you very much for the apology! That was really cool. No hard feelings.

Joe

Catch 22 · 07-29-2003, 07:18 AM

Shane!!
Shane!!
Come back Shane!!
Shaaaaaane!!

Oops sorry. Wrong drama.
I still swell up at the end of that movie.

07-29-2003, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Catch 22:
Shane!!
Shane!!
Come back Shane!!
Shaaaaaane!!

Oops sorry. Wrong drama.
I still swell up at the end of that movie.

I'm back...been back for over a year now :grin:

willametteriveroutlaw · 07-29-2003, 10:16 PM

Mission,
I'll miss your posts and information here alot. I hope to see you on here again. I fish with alot of guys on here and there is an understanding, unless its truly an impressive fish I don't say anything. In private high fives but i don't follow the back patting stuff. if it bothered him that much then i think he has problems, don't punish us for his/her lack of self esteem or insecurities.

KT,
i kinda jumped your ass on a thread on the hunting page and for that my apologies. I am a stubborn opionated ___________, For that I am sorry once again.
Tight Lines
WRO

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07-29-2003, 11:15 PM

Good buy cookie man. I miss ya.

Tanner · 07-30-2003, 09:18 AM

Mark sorry to see ya go. However I must say the one thing I have never understood when people (not all) leave this board is the fact that they have to make a big announcement that they are doing so. If someone offends me enough that I leave the board I am not going to give anyone the satisfaction of a "farewell speech".

Fotunately I don't take any of this stuff seriously enough that it would offend me to the point of leaving. I must say though, some of these soap opera type dramas do make for a more entertaining ifish.

If I offended anyone sorry but that is the beauty of living in America. Let the flamings begin. :grin:

Hope to see ya on the river Mark.

steelhooked · 07-30-2003, 12:46 PM

tanner said everything i was thinking!!!!!!!! kind of like a kid anouncing he is running away.

Jennie@ifish · 07-30-2003, 06:23 PM

No, let's not let the flaming begin.
That's not what ifish is all about.

I'm going to say my final words on this subject, and close the thread.

Mark, my friend, may many fish find your hook and line and many more friends join you in that venture!

We love you!
Jen