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Old 04-29-2003, 05:19 AM   #1
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My wife is looking at getting some "lifetime" (read as expensive) cookware. Stuff like Allclad, Viking, Sitram (Cybernox). She is real interested in Sitram. Anyone in ifish land use any of this stuff? My wife loves to cook almost as much as I love to fish. I blame her for the size of my midsection gerth. :blush:


Or can anyone point me to a cooking board that is busy. Some of the boards I have found don't have a ton of traffic.

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Old 04-29-2003, 05:36 AM   #2
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Old 04-29-2003, 05:48 AM   #3
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I knew I would get some grief over this post. Didn't take long. :tongue: [img]graemlins/dork.gif[/img]

There has to be some culinary experts on this board. [img]graemlins/1zhelp.gif[/img]
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Old 04-29-2003, 06:15 AM   #4
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I'm not an expert but the newer brands like All Clad have an aluminum interiors for better heating compared to the lifetime cookware of the past.

The Sitram Cybernox is sooo expensive. Before you make the investment in a whole set, why don't you buy just one piece of a pot or pan size she would use often.... and give it a trial run? There are specials on most brands at places like Chef's Catalog They have a Sitram Cybernox 8' fry pan for $59.00. In fact, you could try several brands to see which she likes best! Get them for mother's day, hint, hint. :grin:

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Old 04-29-2003, 06:35 AM   #5
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Grew up with Calphalon and have my own set. I love it. They are like Craftsmen tools in they, too, have a real lifetime guarentee.

A couple pans finally wore out so I called them up. They supplied a prepaid shipping box for the whole set. I returned them and got a whole new set. The reason I send the whole set back is because they don't make my original set anymore and this way they will all still look the same. As long as it is normal wear and tear I think they will replace it.
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Old 04-29-2003, 07:11 AM   #6
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All I know is my wife won't take care of any cookware. I always find the non-stick stuff in the sink with silverware, knives, etc. in it. She inevitably burns stuff in the cast iron.

I'd hesitate to buy expensive stuff unless I was the only one using it. But that's just life at my house.

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Old 04-29-2003, 07:14 AM   #7
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Aunty M,

That catalog is where she found the Sitram stuff. We talked about buying a pan and trying it but I think she is looking at buying a 9 piece (I think) sitram set and then getting a couple Cybernox fry pans. She likes the 1800 degree rating of the fry pans. There is free shipping on orders over $99 so that is one her ploys.

It would make a good Mother's Day gift but I dont think she will wait that long. Can I still call it a Mother's Day gift?
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Old 04-29-2003, 07:52 AM   #8
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I have the Analon Professional series and really like it. It is amazing how much nicer it is to cook with quality Pots and Pans. I do 90% of the cooking at home and a majority of it at work and it is much easier at home with the good cookware.

Go to amazon.com, they have some decent prices on diferent cookware. You might be able to find a deal on what you are looking for.
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Old 04-29-2003, 08:31 AM   #9
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Old 04-29-2003, 08:41 AM   #10
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try http://www.recipezaar.com/
they have a discussion board (talk forums) going there, you may be able to get some answers there.

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Old 04-29-2003, 10:07 AM   #11
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A big thumbs up for All-Clad. The wife and I purchased some All-Clad LTD a number of years ago. Fortunately, we have a neighbor who works at Kitchen Kaboddle who gets a great discount. I recommend it highly.
My only complaint with the LTD is the anodized exterior finish. When we bought it, we had an electric cooktop. Since then, we went to a gas cooktop when we remodeled our kitchen. We have some discoloration on the bottom of the LTD cookware now. If you have a gas cooktop, I would go with the stainless exterior. Anything stainless cleans up with Bar Keepers Friend.
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Old 04-29-2003, 10:28 AM   #12
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My daughter has a set of Calphalon and loves it. I have an Analon frying pan that is the best I have ever used. Even better than the old stand-by cast iron!! I think if you could get one piece and try it before you go for the whole set is a really good idea also. Just my .02!!

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Old 04-29-2003, 01:27 PM   #13
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Let her get what she wants or it will just cost you more in the long run. Trust me on this if I am not happy with my cookwear he isn't getting dinner anytime soon. And Yes it can be a Mother's Day gift if she asked for it,but not if the husband thought they needed somthing new. Tell Rose Toni said HI
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Old 04-29-2003, 03:10 PM   #14
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I too do the cooking in my family and I am very particular about my tools...I have tried about every name brand out there and have to say the I love the Cook's Essentials line from QVC.

cooks essentials

I love to sear rib eyes and tuna on the gas cooktaop and then finish them at 500 degrees in the oven and in the two years that I have had this stuff, I haven't hurt one pan.

They are also very durable and safe to use with stainless utensils. I always use a wire whisk or metal tongs in them and have yet to scratch the surface.

Just another option for you...

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Old 04-29-2003, 05:33 PM   #15
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Calphalon is good but All-Clad is the best in my opinion. I haven't tried the Sitram, I guess I've never seen the need to.

Many professional chefs swear by All-Clad and that is good enough for me.

You might try Cooking club of America for some reviews.

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My ex got the Magnalite, and I can't seem to find it anywhere these days. So now I'm trying to build up my Calphalon collection (the hard anodized stuff). All Clad is good. ($$)
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Getting one piece to see how it fits and works for you before going in for a package deal sounds like a really good plan to me.
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Old 04-30-2003, 08:22 AM   #18
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I love to cook and I have tons of calphalon myself. The guarantee is cool.
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Here is the article from Consumer reports.com. They list Calphalon as the best.


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Picks of the pots and pans

The cost of cookware doesn't have to leave you fried. We found a very good 10-piece set for $125.



Butter burns more quickly than margarine, skim milk won't whip, and a watched pot boils faster when covered. Some cooks are just as sure that with pots and pans, you get what you pay for. No wonder high-end products flourish. In some stores, it's possible to pay $180 for just one medium-sized saucepan.
Yet our tests of top-selling cookware sets--15 nonstick and 10 uncoated--show you don’t have to pay caviar prices for even heating, comfortable handles, easy cleaning, and durability. Although our top-rated set, the 10-piece Calphalon Commercial Nonstick, costs $500, the slightly lighter-weight 8-piece Simply Calphalon Nonstick performed nearly as well and costs just $200. It is A CR Best Buy, as is the 10-piece nonstick Cook’s Essentials, $125, shown above.

All the sets we tested are made mainly of stainless steel or aluminum, both of which are durable. Stainless steel and anodized aluminum won't corrode or tarnish; regular aluminum may. Mostly 8- and 10-piece combinations of stockpots, frypans, saucepans, and lids--each lid is considered an additional "piece"--the sets we tested should be able to handle the lion's share of cooking chores. What's more, we found that the higher-rated sets offer similar performance in each piece, so you won't be buying a flimsy frypan to accompany a great stockpot.


THE CHOICES

Nonstick. Most Americans opt for nonstick pots and pans, layered with strong and slippery polymer-based coatings. Those require less fat when you cook and less elbow grease when you clean. However, nonsticks require care. Manufacturers recommend against using nonstick cookware over high heat, which could affect the coating. We recommend using nonmetal utensils (to prevent scratches), even if the manufacturer says it's OK to use metal. Dishwasher cleaning is forbidden with some brands. Over time, using cooking sprays on nonsticks can create a sticky, varnishlike surface that's impossible to clean. "The best solution is not to use these sprays," says John Badner, marketing vice-president for Whitford Worldwide, a major supplier of nonstick coatings. Instead, use butter, margarine, or nothing at all. After cooking, wash pans gently with hot soapy water and a sponge or nonabrasive pad.

Uncoated. This is the choice if you'd rather use metal utensils or if you want a little food to stick--perhaps so you can deglaze the pan with stock or wine to make a sauce. Uncoated pans also tend to be good for browning. Three uncoated sets we tested include a nonstick frypan.

Sets vs. individual pieces. Sets are the better deal. Purchased individually, the 10 pieces of Calphalon Commercial Nonstick cost $635 when we checked last fall, instead of $500. Still, with sets, you have to take what you get. Sets generally have five pieces in common: a stockpot with lid, a 2- to 3-quart saucepan with lid, and a 9.5- to 11-inch frypan. Most have at least one or two other components--a small omelette pan or another saucepan and lid.

The Recommendations & Notes in the Ratings list components in each set beyond the basics. Most sets also have open stock, so you can add pieces as needed.


FEATURES TO LOOK FOR

Balanced handles that stay cool. Good cookware includes a well-balanced handle that's comfortable to grip and won't become hot enough to require a potholder. Handles come in metal, plastic, and occasionally wood, a material we wouldn't recommend. Metal handles can get hot but go from stovetop to oven or broiler without damage. Lightweight plastic handles won't get as hot, but even the most advanced plastic can't go into an oven hotter than about 350˚ F. Riveted handles can be particularly strong, but rivets can collect grime that's tough to remove.

Spouts, useful lids. Glass lids are cheap to make but aren't useful once steam builds up, and they can break. Lids on a few brands have holes to let steam escape. The uncoated Wearever Easy Pour and Strain includes a strainer lid and shallow pouring spouts on some pieces.

Dishwasher compatibility. Uncoated cookware is dishwasher-safe, and manufacturers of several nonstick brands--though not the top three in our Ratings--say their cookware is, too. Follow washing instructions carefully.

Flat bottoms. Pots that aren't flat on the bottom won't heat well on a smoothtop range. All of the sets we tested appear to be flat. Even so, a pot's construction can affect heating speed. When we used a smoothtop to boil four quarts of water in stockpots, the Nordic Ware Rangeware Pro took only 9 minutes; the Bialetti Hi-Base Stainless Steel, 18 minutes. No pots caused damage to smoothtops when we moved them around.

Easy lifting. People who have trouble hoisting pots and pans may want to avoid the heavier cookware, which we've cited in the Recommendations & Notes in the Ratings. However, if you have a professional-style (high-Btu) gas stove, heavy cookware is best.


THE MARKET

About one in five Americans buy cookware sets at Wal-Mart, where we've found low prices and a presentation that makes for easy shopping. Television shopping networks account for about 1 in 10 sets purchased. In large part, that's because of celebrity-endorsed products such as the Wolfgang Puck Bistro Collection, sold by Home Shopping Network.

Online cookware sales are also on the rise, up from nearly zero five years ago to about 3 percent in 2001, according to Market Facts IMR, a marketing-research firm. But the apparent plethora of cookware sites can be a mirage: When shopping for Calphalon merchandise at 15 sites, clicking on "buy now" or "shopping cart" sent us to www.amazon.com.

According to Hugh Rushing, executive vice president of the Cookware Manufacturers Association, discounts for midpriced cookware are most likely to be found at mass-market stores such as Target and Wal-Mart and at discounters such as Marshall's and T.J. Maxx.

Some retailers contract with major manufacturers to create exclusive lines. Often those products are made of the same materials but have differences in design or finish: variations in handle design, different colors, glass lids instead of metal. Cookware that is basically the same may be sold under different names at different stores. Calphalon tells us, for example, that the 10-piece Simply Calphalon at Macy's performs similarly to Target's Kitchen Essentials and Kohl's Cooking with Calphalon. Earlier this fall, all three sets cost $200 online.


WHAT WE TESTED, WHAT WE FOUND


We tested three components in each set--frypans, saucepans, and stockpots. The best pots and pans heated evenly, were safe and comfortable to use, and were built to last. Those toward the bottom of the Ratings cooked unevenly and were less likely to hold a simmer without burning or splattering. Here, the details:

Tall or stout Their design and capacity differ, but stockpots from Tools of the Trade (left) and Calphalon Commercial (right) both heated very evenly.


Even heating. Nearly all frypans evenly cooked pan-sized pancakes on a gas range. Only the Nordic Ware Rangeware Pro burned the center and left the edge raw.

Simmering. When we used very low heat to simmer a thick tomato sauce in stockpots, the Farberware Millennium Satin Enamel Nonstick, T-Fal 4U, Nordic Ware Rangeware Pro, and Revere Copper Cuisine let the sauce boil. When we let delicate béchamel sauce simmer in the saucepans for 30 minutes without stirring, most saucepans coped well, but the T-Fal 4U Nonstick burned it.

Cleanup. Removing baked-on béchamel was hardest with three uncoated sets--Magnalite Classic, Bialetti Hi-Base Stainless Steel, and Revere Copper Cuisine. Only steel wool salvaged the Revere.

Handle safety, comfort. Nearly all frypans passed our tough tests, which means their handles are unlikely to bend or fall off over time. Only the handle on the Bialetti gradually loosened. The Recommendations & Notes in the Ratings list sets with comfortable, well-balanced handles and those with handles that got especially hot.

Nonstick abilities. In all the nonstick frypans, we were able to fry four eggs in succession and then cleanly release them, having used only a wipe of oil before the first egg. If you use wood or plastic tools, as most makers recommend, any of the pans should last for years. But since we suspect that a cook with even the best intentions uses metal once in a while, we subjected the pans to a very tough test, heating them and rubbing their insides with steel-wool pads until the coating wore through or we reached 2,000 strokes. First to lose its coating was the Regal Easy Clean. The good news is that most pans kept their coating and were still able to release fried eggs fairly easily.


RECOMMENDATIONS

It pays to start with a set and supplement it with other pieces, depending on how you cook. Long-cooked stews, for example, may call for heat-retaining cast iron.

Nonstick sets. The Calphalon Commercial Nonstick, $500 for 10 pieces, is great for a demanding cook who's willing to pay a premium. The set did everything well, and has companion pieces you can add as needed. However, it's heavy. Simply Calphalon Nonstick, $200 for 8 pieces, and Cook's Essentials, $125 for 10 pieces, weigh less and are better choices for cooks on a budget. Of the three, only Cook's Essentials claims to be dishwasher-safe.

Uncoated sets. Best of this type was the Wolfgang Puck Bistro Collection. It has 20 pieces (including a 6-piece tool set and a nonstick frypan) and costs $150. It's oven-safe up to 425˚ F. Other very good sets include the Farberware, $250 for 10 pieces, Tools of the Trade, $250 for 12 pieces, and Magnalite, $115 for 8 pieces.

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Old 05-01-2003, 02:25 AM   #20
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We had calphalon . Bought a set of Voll Rath Pro H-G. Been in food service all my life. Best I ever found. Check them out onthe web.They have been around for years. :smile:
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Old 05-02-2003, 08:08 AM   #21
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Thanks all for the advice. I knew I could count on ifisher's. [img]graemlins/hearton.gif[/img]

We (yes me too)are looking at various options. Wife even took the time to call a Chef at the Culinary School to talk pots. I think she is looking a combo of some Sitram and calphalon. Turns out we can get the a set of Sitram for a few bucks less than Allclad and even the Calphalon.

Anyway thanks again. Guess I can look forward to adding to my gerth.

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All right!! This is turning into one of my favorite kinda threads!!! Sorry Rich, don`t mean to laugh at other peoples expense, but........... :grin: Thanx all for the input. Ff
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Valentine's day is just around the corner :grin: Get it as a gift for both of you, from both of you. It might not be terribly romantic, but if it's what she wants...

(of course, this does not get you out of presenting her with flowers or some other romantic gesture)
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I bought some cookware at Costco about 5 years ago, Kirkland brand. They are alot like Calphalon with nonstick. Well, I had a roommate that was using metal ...kinda scratched the nonstick. The cookware has glass lids, which I like (can see the food without lifting them). Kitchen Kaboodle or Linens and Things or similar stores have cookware kinda like it. I just hope the chipped nonstick won't harm me. judyfish99
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I needed some cookware a few years ago... I got married instead. Killed two birds with one stone. :grin:
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Geeze, CT! You are bad!!!
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