Dr Robert Atkins died today

[The Fishing Geek]

Story is here. Died a week after suffering a fall on an icy sidewalk on the way to work. He was 72.

Thanks to that man I've lost 20 pounds so far. Kinda plateaued at the moment, but I'm thankful for that much.

[Cool Texan]

My wife could talk your giant freaky ears off about the Atkins diet...or any of those fad diets for that matter. She doesnt believe in them at all. They work, but at what price? She is a licensed dietician, so she is an educated opinion. :smile:

[The Fishing Geek]

At the price of lower blood pressure, lower bad cholesteral, higher good cholesteral...scary.

[Cool Texan]

Apparnetly it wrecks your balance though. :shocked:

[Hoosier Daddy]

OUCH!!!

Kinda like Jim Fix huh?

[Bait O' Eggs]

Its a sad day :depressed:

CT - your wife can think what she wants and I will think what I want. Of course she would have to admit her entire education was a waste of time if she admitted Atkins was correct making her the "uneducated opinion". I have read a lot on Atkins and still cant find what I would call a "legimate" study on the kidney theory. My gallon of water a day seems to keep me moving along.

Time will tell, I have been seeing more and more studies backing Atkins thoughts.

Of course 100 years ago a doctor might have prescribed leaches or Castrol (sp) oil for a remedy to a number of things. In another 100 years people will laugh at our medical practices and medical advice today.

[ 04-17-2003, 01:34 PM: Message edited by: Bait O' Eggs ]

[Cool Texan]

Save some water to store your kidneys in. :grin:

BOE, I hear leeches will cure you of diseases too!

[ 04-17-2003, 01:35 PM: Message edited by: Cool Texan ]

[STGRule]

Hey, they still use leeches today. Most micro-surgery to repair blood vessels and capillaries wouldn't be possible without them. The anti-coagulant and blood removal from the surgical wound keeps the blood flowing and allows faster healing and less dead tissue. Increased use has made re-attachment surgery more successful for fingers, toes, hands and such. It works best with children who don't freak out when they see them.

[fishgirl]

Originally posted by Bait O' Eggs:
Castrol (sp) oil

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Isn't Castrol a motor oil?? :grin:
Sorry, I couldn't help myself on that one....

[Cool Texan]

Originally posted by fishgirl:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Originally posted by Bait O' Eggs:
Castrol (sp) oil

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Isn't Castrol a motor oil?? :grin:
Sorry, I couldn't help myself on that one.... </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Good point...sounds like BOE is gonna have more troubles in life than just his kidneys!! :shocked:

[Mad Mikey]

I think it works, for a while. I started at 250lbs in November but also kept a regimine of a daily run in addition to the diet.
About the time I hit 200lbs, a month ago, I started noticing I was getting really weak when I ran. I usually do 3.5 to 4.5 miles daily but was really struggling about the time I hit the 2 mile mark. I was also fatigued while working and was getting some stabbing pains somewhere in the right torso.
I switched to a regular balanced diet, upping my carbs at breakfast and a few more at lunch but still shut them down at dinner.
Pain went away, energy came back and I am presently about 188lbs and feel great, I fly through my runs and sometimes tack on an extra half mile or so if I have the time.
I would venture to guess that everyones' metabolism is a little different and adding excercise is the most crucial element. Listen to your body, it'll tell you what you need.
Just some observations from someone who has been there.....

[snowball]

mad mikey, you lost almost half your former self. that is incredible. CONGRATS.
I've been big guy most of my adult life and physical activity really is the key for any diet. I'm planning on making a move to the atkins diet to drop the iniatial gut, then move back to a lower carb, but more balanced diet.

[snowball]

and speaking of leeches.. boy how i would like to find some of those out here for walleye--- guys fishing worms think they work well, leaches produce even more eyes.

[The Fishing Geek]

Turns out it wasn't Atkins that made BOE lose all that weight, that it was actually the oil keeping his giblits well-lubed so things just sorta slid right through him. :shocked:

Seriously, my uncle a few years back decided to separate his finger from his hand up in Oysterville. They put the finger in a bowl full of ice and drove like mad to Astoria. The doctors looked at him there, gave him some pain meds, and said "Yep, you did everything right. Go directly to OHSU". They drove on to OHSU, they reattached the finger in a bit of an angle, and he's got it to this day.

During the healing process at the hospital they used leaches to keep the blood flowing. Occasionally one would fall off and they would have to follow the blood trail that it would leave on the floor to wherever it went, which occasionally would be a few doors down. Pretty creepy, but effective.

[The Fishing Geek]

Snowball:

There are places on the `Net who will ship you bulk orders of leeches for bait. I found this place with a quick Google search. Probably spend $20-30 on overnight shipping, but if you get enough...

[DanS]

Atkins can make any claim he wants, but the best and safest way to lose weight is to eat less and excercise more.

The Atkins diet hasn't been widely used long enough for clear medical conclusions to be drawn. The 'guinea pigs' are still testing it....

Remember Fen-phen? It was considered a great way to lose weight too. Still is, if you don't need working heart valves.

[ 04-17-2003, 02:56 PM: Message edited by: DanS ]

[Cool Texan]

Atkins will work for a while...so will Pritikin and all the other fad diets. Point is, its not how your body was designed to work. It will work for a while, but could easily cause long term problems.

Dieting is easy...eat ANYTHING you want, but keep track of the calories. Then, exercise till you burn off at least that many calories. Problem solved.

Speaking of BOE and the Castrol oil, is that why Jennie gave us this one: :blush: Poor little guy looks like he is having to push way too hard. Speaking of long term problems!! [img]graemlins/eek13.gif[/img]

[The Fishing Geek]

Fen-phen was a diet drug. Atkins has been tested for roughly 30 years, which is more than most pharmaceuticals are before being approved by the FDA.

All I'm saying is that it's worked for a lot of people, and it's worked for me.

[Bait O' Eggs]

I knew somebody was gonna pick on the leach example, and I knew they still used them for a few things, but they used them for a lot of things that didnt work in the past also. Maybe "blood letting" to remove evil spirits would have been a better example

An sence I dodnt now how ta propperly spel Caster or Castrol oil I thunk the "(sp)" I tiped wood make it cleer I dodnt now how ta speel it

And like Dan said, Fen Phen was prescribed by the experts just a few years ago. Currently our experts are prescribing the food pyramid that I believe will be turned upside down some day. Could be wrong, but could be right

[DanS]

"blood letting"

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">They're still using THAT too, roy. A common treatment for polyscythemia (sp?).

[Bait O' Eggs]

Dan the orange and black of OSU could arrange to "let" some of your blood the evil spirit within you is the love for the purple, we can fix you right up though

I said blood letting to remove evil spirits and you turned that around.

I will just go away now, I dont even know why I came to Life in General today, I told myself I wouldnt even read this cesspool forum let alone post on it. Back on the wagon later

[snowball]

11 slices of bread seems like an awful lot. I sometimes wonder if that food chart coinsides with our domestic production--- just a thought.. no need to jump all over it--

[DanS]

we can fix you right up though

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Uh, oh.......time to start running. :shocked:

It might take more than a little bloodletting to get the purple out of me......a steamroller, perhaps? :grin:

[Gus Orviston]

Okay, here is my .03 cents worth. BTW: I lost 42 pounds in ~5 months last year. Right at about 2lbs per week. I scared myself when I said how am I holding this weight, so I wrote down each thing I stuffed in my chops....BTW: I found out later that is when Weight Watchers uses as a tool...just write it down. It makes all the difference. Oh, and I didn't exercise just ate reasonable meals, that I liked, and that filled.

3500 calories= 1 pound, that is fact regardless of what you eat or don't eat stays constant. If you weigh about 200 pounds you require, with in a reasonable variance, 2000-2200 calories per day to sustain that weight; for the marginally active.
Most of us, including me often blow over our 2200 per day, if you do it adds up against you. If you don't think so, write down everything you eat in one day...I challenge you to do it. Then assign the correct amount of calories to the food and portion. I bet you are surprised at the # of calories, but you will know why you are over weight.

Example:
Big Mac =590 1/4 of what you should eat all day.
Fries = 540 1/4 of what you should eat all day
combined...yep, over 1/2 of what you should eat in one day.

Oh you want something to drink. 12 oz coke is 140...but most of us go for the 32oz which is now a regular, go figure...uh tack on another 400 cals.


So in one stop at McD... you've eaten 3/4 of the entire calories you should have in one day to sustain 200 pounds.

It is really simple math, If you want to choose FRED's diet and it works, great, but the end result of physics is the same.
Calories In = Calories Burned + Calories Stored

If you eat more than you burn it stores up as fat. If you eat the same thing all the time, and it disgusts you so you don't eat more of it, then you will lose weight. But in the long run I don't think that is a good idea. If you plan on shifting back over to eating a normal diet after obtaining that goal, you still haven't learned to eat a balanced diet and could easily get away from you all over again.

If you track what you eat, and reduce that amount by 500 calories a day = 3500/week. You will lose one pound per week. Not enough to get you excited. There are 52 weeks in a year, so even if you got a bigger belly than I did you can lose it in one year. No quick fixes, just physics and time.

Eat reasonable...we are challenged at every turn these days, on the corner, at work, it is just too darn easy to get food stuck in our mouths.

Oh, and it just isn't McDs...almost all fast food has a high calorie count.

gus

[ 04-17-2003, 04:19 PM: Message edited by: Gus Orviston ]

[Cool Texan]

[img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

Finally some sense around here. That is the key...watch what you eat and get off your fat butt, leave iFish alone for a little bit, and go walk around the block, or jog, or do anything. Get moving. Stuck at a desk? Tap your feet...fidget, anything. Even small movements require energy.

Geek, put your original post back up...I thought that was a VERY funny idea.

[Gus Orviston]

yeah, but you know, there is a this diet that says when I chew, I use up calories...and swallowing is great exercise

I make fun, but it is hard to get a hold of that appetite. The best best best advice I could give anybody is
WRITE DOWN EVERYTHING YOU EAT, and at the time you eat it. Even at the my height of losing wieght it was tough to remember what I ate 4 hours ago...oops Oh I had some chips 2 hours ago.... Your mind doesn't want to remember what you just stuffed in your mouth, I found those two parts of your body,,Mind and Stomach do not talk, and if they do they lie.

Try to write down what you ate just today, it is hard. Until you can get a handle on what your current calorie intake is you probably can't change it.

I am back up 10 pounds...my wife is pregnant again and we got goodies galore in the house. I am back to paying more attention and yep,,,writting it down again.. it is rather sobering.

gus

[Firedog]

Good Post Gus. I know a lot of guys in the Fire Dept that have used the Atkins diet with great success. I don't know any who kept the weight off though. It has always come back and then some.

The best diet is to cut down on carbs(Not eliminate) and exercise. Your body needs a balance and cutting down on carbs will reduce your Caloric intake and you will loose fat. Beside exercise is relaxing and a great stress reliever. You don't have to be a hard core person and in the gym half of every day, an hour walk a day will do wonders.

Like mentioned before write down what and how much you eat, you will be surprised at how much you actually do take in every day. Eat smaller portions.

[Mad Mikey]

When you eat is also a helper. I used to eat very little in the AM and stuff myself before bedtime. I turned that around a bit.
I gotta agree with just about everything all the different posts have said, common sense.
I actually did NOT follow the Atkins persay, never even read the book and I still drank a lot of coffee, a no no I am told. What did make sense to me was how the carb reduction and storage worked.
My general diet at first was some kind of meat for breakfast, sometimes an egg or two and MAYBE a little piece of bread or a few crackers. Lunch was some cheese and lunchmeat, possibly a handful of raw almonds(love those things!!!) and a fruit or veggie. Dinner would be very light, usually after my run, hunk of chicken and a diet soda.
Many of those things are no no's in the Atkins book I'm told but like Texan said, get out and do something, which is probably the biggest factor in my success.
Don't just do it to get there either, make it a part of your lifestyle or you'll find yourself gaining it all back in half the time it took to lose it.
I feel horribly guilty if I don't do my cardio anymore and after getting back to a more normal diet, the excercise is still working to maintain and keep it off. I also nixed candy and any sugared pop, not as difficult as the pizza and beer though. I can still have that on occasion, just not every night!!!
I still envy my gal though, she's a size 2 and can eat whatever, whenever and not gain an ounce...

[Silver Hilton]

There was an article in the New York Times Magazine last summer, which noted, at length, that the conventional wisdom (anti-Atkins) was an item of almost religious belief in the medical community, and was not particularly well supported by research. The medical establishment has been having to eat some crow, because the lower carborhydrate approach both works, and is well supported by research. The underlying mechanism of insulin system management, also just makes sense.

Count me as down 15 lbs, with lower blood pressure and better energy. That said, I miss my red hook.

[Mad Mikey]

&gt;&gt;&gt; I miss my red hook&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;


.......Widmer, Round Table Pizza..... :depressed: :depressed: :depressed:

[Cool Texan]

Was he the runner that died of a heart attack?

[Radke]

Yes, he was the marathonnnnneeerrrr

died because he didn't eat enough bananas.

lack of potassium in his system.

[Cool Texan]

Geek, hope you enjoy your kidneys while they last...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...ople_atkins_dc

[The Fishing Geek]

Thanks for the link. Didn't know he died. :tongue:

I drink about a half gallon of water a day. Kidneys should be fine.

[Illusions]

it is so amazing how many people have such strong opinions about the atkins diet (which atkins calls a way of eating, not a diet) you never hear anybody call a low fat diet bad, even though usually what happens is people cut out the fat and replace it with sugar(all the "fat-free" foods add sugar to make up for the taste).

i have tried for years to eat low-fat and loose weight, i always gained back what i lost plus some. i am now trying atkins, lost 40 lbs so far(in about 8 months), my doc is even supportive and is supervising. i figure, if it works, great, if i gain back, been there before, if my kidneys, cholesterol, blood pressure start looking bad, doc will tell me.

p.s. the key for anybody to be healthy is exercise, without that why bother..

[WildHawg]

So Mikey...
Let me get this straight--you "envy" your girlfriend who is a size 2?
Not real manly there bud! :tongue:
Seriously though--aren't you afraid of rolling over and crushing her in your

[ 04-21-2003, 05:48 PM: Message edited by: The Fishing Geek ]

[Mad Mikey]

You're a funny guy.
I guess what I envy is that she could eat a giant pizza and a gallon of Widmer for every meal and it'll never show. Wish I could do that....
If that were the case for me I wouldn't have to be on this health kick these days!!! :grin:

PS: I like small gals, more room in the truck for fishin' stuff.......... :tongue:

[WildHawg]

Your right about the room in the truck part. Since I got me an extra long version (5'10, 150er), I just got me a bigger truck! Ford F-350 Crewcab!
Now you be careful Mikey--and put a bell around her neck so you don't accidentally step on her

[Mad Mikey]

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;put a bell around her neck &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

Uh, oh. You mean the bell goes around HER neck????