Longo gets death!!!!

[ORrinker]

There is probably nobody more deserving of it either. GOOD RIDDANCE!!!!

[Pilar]

Darwin triumphs!

[husker]

was there any doubt? death is actually to good for this guy. he should go to sadaams torcher chambers for his actions. then he might actually get a clue as to why he is about to die.

[ORrinker]

Problem is, now we get to sit here and endure years of appeals before justice is done. The whole while we as taxpayers will be paying to support the worthless piece of trash. Maybe we'll get lucky and he will waive his appeals???
Probably won't but we can always hope.

Randy

[J Archer]

[J Archer]

The only problem with this is that we all will pay for him to sit in jail for 10 years before he is put to the death bed.

[Lucky Bamboo]

I'd be curious to know on what basis any appeals would be based. He sat right there in the court room and took full responsibility for what he did, so he does know right from wrong, which in my mind dismisses any chance for an insanity plea. What else could there be? I am not at all knowledgable on a subject such as this, but I agree the death penality is far too good for him. He will eventually receive a far more serious judgement than he received today. Thank you, God!

[Jennie@ifish]

I don't know what is wrong with me.

I just can't get into celebrating someone's death.

I find the whole thing tragic. :depressed:

Jen

[Uglygreen]

Dont worry about it, the death peanalty in Oregon is worthless. Since it was reinstated the only two executions we have carried out are on people who wanted to die, fired their lawyers, dropped their appeals, and asked to have the sentance carried out. The Kalamath County DA didn't even bother going for death in the case of the ***** and murdered Nun(s)down south pecause of this very fact. Kinda pointless to spend the cash when there almost no chance that the sentence will happen, ever. The current longest death penalty appeal in Oregon is 26 years old.

UG

[justcastn]

Jennie,
Anyone that could kill his own kids and then goes to Mexico to party needs to be exterminated.

UG,
The DA could have gotten a death sentence. I don't understand why he didn't go for it . Maybe the fact that he was an illegal alien with multiple violent felonies from both Mexico and the US had something to do with it

[1pump]

The Oregon appeals process has nine steps, the last being the US Supreme Court. I'll bet it'll be a lot longer than 10 years, Boatless. Like UG said, only 2 executions since 1984, both on waived appeals.
Longo's pattern of behavior suggests he will milk this out for years. If he had one iota of self-respect left he would hang himself in prison and give the taxpayers a break.
Fat chance.

[Straydog]

Call me a suck up but I agree with Jen.

The Klamath DA did not go for the Death Penalty because of two reasons, according to his statement on the Lars Larson show last week.

He did not want to make the people of Oregon have to pay for all of the appeal trials and the surviving Nun asked that they spare his life and said the murdered nun would have wanted the same thing.

Again, according to the interview I heard with the Klamath DA on Lar's show.

[Fishplay]

I will not celebrate it but do beleive the punishment just.

The expense to the state and what he did to his familly is what I find tragic. :depressed:

[happybrew]

I find it sad that Oregon practices vengeance. It does nothing to bring anyone back. We can protect society with life imprisonment. The death penalty is extremely expensive, and thus more of a burden to society than life in prison. Justice is not served because he doesn't get to live a long, natural life with the realization of what he's done. He gets the easy out, without the time it may take for him to repent. Oregon gets a big bill and a stain on our conscience. And the funny thing is, there is no possibility of a pro-life juror being called to a capital trial. There was never any question of what the sentence would be.

happybrew

[feisty's wife]

I agree, he deserves the death penalty...no doubt....butdoesnt our own Gov have double standards?

[Jennie@ifish]

There is no question what he did was horrible.
I just have a difficult time playing God.
I don't want him in society either...
Death penalty? I have confused thoughts on that.
My point, is that I can't understand the enthusiasm over it.
Again, lives have been lost, so let's add more, and then cheer about it?

:whazzup:

[Hoosier Daddy]

Originally posted by Fishplay:
I will not celebrate it but do beleive the punishment just.

:depressed:

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Ditto....

Seems the easiest way out for him as well....

[Pilar]

The death penalty is a deterrent. That guy will never do that thing again.

The problem with our system of criminal justice is the disconnect between conviction and swift penalty. This is not a problem in the persian gulf. Islam ruled countries mete out justice in accordance with the Koran. One handed thieves are almost always ex thieves.

In our country conviction does not mean swift and sure punishment. The incarceration is subject to the whims of tax collection, governments that get fat on ever increasing tax rates and endless appeals.

You can bet that if the criminals began to believe that getting caught = getting punished then things might change.

Not to disrespect Mr. Longos former religion but Jehovah Witnesses are expert in the art of dissemble and debate. He will drag it out to the nth degree and love all the attention it gets him. Maybe one of his fellow prisoners will help him out.

Even criminals hate people who abuse and kill the innocents.

The Dahmer Efect?

[Kruechief]

It makes me sick when people say that the death penalty does not act as a deterrent. How can you possibly rely on data that is faulty to begin with? If every state in the Union that had a death penalty IMMEDIATELY carried out the sentences of those on death row then you would be able to determine if it is effective or not. How can you correlate a cause effect if the variables are not there? I mean we, as a society, execute less then 1% of those sentenced to die. So, most would-be murderers are pretty much assured that they will not be executed. Now if every State immediately began executing those on death row and it was widely known that the lawyers, legal system etc… were not going to get wealthy anymore by the lengthy trials and appeals then you would have a variable. If at that time, the rate of murders per capita immediately skyrocketed then you would be able to say that the death penalty is likely to not reduce murders.

Anyone, who feels that this person deserves anything but death, has no sense of the value of a child’s life. It is impossible for me to work with children every day and think that someone, especially a parent, is so selfish as to take that treasure away. Each day, in the schools I work in, my hand is held, I am hugged, and children touch my heart. I think I would cry for days if ONE were taken.

Just my opinion,

Krue

[Silver Hilton]

Originally posted by Pilar:
The death penalty is a deterrent. That guy will never do that thing again.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Pilar,

clearly the death penalty is not a deterrent. This guy is smart, sane, and performed these acts in cold blood, after much consideration. He had to know he would face the death penalty if caught, yet was not deterred.

The death penalty may make sense from a societal standpoint, but the evidence does not support the argument that it deters people.

I don't have a problem with giving out death sentances. I don't believe that they deter crime anymore than life sentences, or even 10 years of hard time. Death penalties are about getting even.

[Albacore Tuna Captain]

Galvin Wayne Dowell....sentenced to life imprisonment for a murder....escaped and killed two more people.

Henry Marquet........sentenced to life imprisonment for murder......paroled and killed two more people.

Henry Jerome Brudos......confessed to the murder of four women.......suspected of killing at least nine......sentenced to life imprisonment....now eligible for parole....Parole board refuses to parole because the psych reports says he will kill again.

Duane Samples......sentenced to life imprisonment for the murder of a women and attempted murder of another who was brutally slashed.....Eligible for parole.....psych report says he will do it again.

And these are only a fraction in Oregon.

Anyone who believes the death penalty does not protect others are shoving their heads in the sand.

Does the death penalty save lives of innocent people? You tell me.

SH,
After he's gone he won't do it again. That is a deterrent, as Pilar posted.

[Snapset]

Like Pilar wrote, the death penalty is effective in that those who are executed never kill again.
However, giving the government the right to kill its subjects goes against my conservative ideals.
It is conceivable that some activities now legal could become punishable by death as our society changes.

The granting of death is a right reserved only to God, under most religions. Happybrew, good point on the time to repent, aspect. I would add though, that some mainstream religions teach that the only way to atone for this sin is to give ones own life.

The other problem is the innocent who are executed. Illinois has had this problem, and it could hapen here.

I support the death penalty in Oregon as it stands now, simply because juries seem unwilling to mete it out except under the most heinous crimes. Longo certainly qualifies. I wonder what human part he is missing.

[Kruechief]

SH,

clearly the death penalty is not a deterrent. This guy is smart, sane, and performed these acts in cold blood, after much consideration. He had to know he would face the death penalty if caught, yet was not deterred.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">It is not a deterrent because it is not used.

It can't be used in cause and effect because IT IS NOT USED.

Therefore, one cannot say that it is or for that matter, that it isn't effective.

That is like saying that hamburger is a good springer bait. Why? Well it's in my tackle box. But you've never used it. I know, but hamburger is a good springer bait.


Krue

[ 04-17-2003, 08:26 PM: Message edited by: kruechief ]

[The Fishing Geek]

Krue:

Do you think that people who are considering murder ponder whether they will get the death penalty or life in prison, and if they do get committed to death, how long they will stay alive in appeals?

I wouldn't think that it would cross their mind. Not the majority of the time, at least.

[Uglygreen]

It probably would be a deterrent if, after being found guilty by twelve good men, he was taken to the public square and hanged by the neck till dead. In other words, I'll bet it was a deterrent a hundred years ago. Gotta go with kruechief on this one, its not a deterrent cause it isnt used.

One of those political compromise things that makes everybody happy I guess. The right can be happy cause they can sound good and tough sentencing these type of slime bags to "die" knowing down deep it will never happen. The left can then go get a "feel good" cause they can then prevent the execution and "save" their poor miserable lives. Everbody wins.

I dont even think I care one way or the other, but the cruelest punishment has to be sentenceing someone to die and then dragging it out forever and forcing them, us, and the victems to deal with their contimued existance in some sort strange limbo land, caught between life and death.

UG

[ 04-17-2003, 09:32 PM: Message edited by: Uglygreen ]

[RichH]

I think that an appropriate bit of justice would be to plaster the walls of his cell with photos of his wife and kids, happy family photos as well as coroner photos so he would be forced to see what he did for the remainder of his days.

As far as the death penalty goes, this morning on the news they said the minimum length of appeals is 15+ years.

[Kruechief]

Geek,

Yes, I believe that in most cases the murderer has a chance to weigh the outcomes and if the death penalty were enforced then that murder may be reduced to an assault.

That is why I do not carry a gun, but instead carry a Louisville. At some point, I will hopefully realize that one more whack could be the difference between a few years and life. I know I have thought long and hard about the masked protestors and how I would react if one of them charged my SUV with my family in it.

Where it doesn't matter is in a crime of passion. Once someone is bent on killing out of hatred, vengeance, or betrayal nothing on earth is going to stop him or her.

Just my opinion,

Krue

[ 04-18-2003, 08:04 AM: Message edited by: kruechief ]

[The Fishing Geek]

Krue:

I didn't ask whether they have a chance to think about that. We know that they do, usually. My question was

Do you think that people who are considering murder ponder whether they will get the death penalty or life in prison, and if they do get committed to death, how long they will stay alive in appeals?

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Big difference there. I don't think that most of them DO think about it.

[Silver Hilton]

You guys are missing mu point. Clearly people who are executed are PREVENTED from killing again. That is not deterence.

Deterrence is the state of having motivated the person to not commit the crime, due to the existance of a significantly punitive sentence. Deterrence is a choice made by the potential criminal. Killing the person is not deterring him from killing, it is preventing him.

I believe the death penalty is not an effective deterrent, because human nature is such that these criminals believe they will not be caught. Most of us are rational enough that we do not commit crimes due to the possibility of being caught and convicted. I do not grow my favorite recreational drug for that reason. That is deterrence.

Unfortunately, deterrence is a concept that applies to people who are rational, at least minimally intelligent, and emotionally mature. It doesn't work well in cases of extreme emotional states, or with people with personalities and abilities such that they feel that they can evade the institutions of the law, or that feel strongly enough that the punishment doesn't matter. Like Longo, the Unibomber, or Timothy McVeigh.

In the case of the death penalty for aggravated murder, there are a number of folks that just don't have the view on reality that allows them to process the deterrence message. Longo is clearly an example. The penalty existed. He, as a career criminal, obviously was skilled at evading the law, and felt that he could evade the law some more. The existance of the death penalty didn't work.

I'm not saying I'm against use of the death penalty. I'm just pointing out that the most common argument used for it, deterrence of the most egregious crimes, is simply not supported by the facts in this or many other cases.

In these cases, the death penalty is about society getting even. I don't mind that. But let's call it what it is.

I have some reservations about the death penalty, because of the tangibly high number of false convictions. But that's another topic.

On a related topic, however, I'd love to see us bring back horsewhippings in the public square for petty property theft. Small time criminals are actually deterrable, but we have lost the ability to incarcerate them, due to the court case load imposed, among other things, by our silly war on drugs not manufacturered by Anheauser Busch. These outboard motor, stereo and car thieves would pay a great deal of attention to 40 lashes, and I suspect society would benefit greatly from this official cruelty. It is not clear that society gets any such benefit from the death penalty.

[Snapset]

I agree SH. There are a lot of problems nowadays that could be solved with a stiff caning. At least the retribution factor would lower my blood pressure.

Thieves, poachers, DUI's, unlicensed drivers without insurance, most lawyers about once a week for general principles, people who drive slow in the fast lane, wife beaters (put a nail in the cane), oh this list could go on for a long time.

[crabbait]

Silent long enough. My opinion:

I care not one wit whether the excecution of a known murderer deters another murderer. It is enough that the public knows that it will never have to fear that individual. Sentences should be carried out swiftly and without undue fanfare. There is nothing to debate or celebrate.

I also am concerned about executing an innocent individual. Execution should be reserved for cases where there is absolutely no doubt, reasonable or otherwise and the headlines should read like this:

"Convicted murderer Longo was sentenced to death and executed today.....". Every breath he takes after the sentence is read is one too many.

Limit the publicity this scum gets for committing the act and you go a long way toward deterence. GUILTY, bang, g'day!

[Uglygreen]

WOW, crabby and I agree on something!

UG

[sinker]

I used to be a HUGE supporter of the death penalty but in recent years there's been to many people released from death row after DNA evidence has shown their guilty. In many cases the DNA points to someone else and they confess to doing it. Now I'm not sure where I stand on it.
Where do you draw the line as to when there's enough evidence.
The Texas State Corrections Dept has a web site that I came across one time that show everyone on death row and people that have been executed. It gives info on the crime and info right down to what they had for a last meal and their last words. Just looking at some of them I'd hate to live in Texas. Some of those poor saps were railroaded so bad.

As far as a detterent, if they are going to execute, go one further than the town square. Put it on TV with all the gory photos and closeups. Little shock and awe to wow these idiots into not doing anything.
Thats the problem now is that it's so disconnected from society. A few people see it happen and the resthear about it. Potential criminals don't see these guys soiling themselves in front of everyone or throwing up all over themselves. Show them no matter how cool they are they ain't gonna be able to handle it like a "man" when it's all said and done.

[sinker]

I forgot about this one,
Came up with this one a few years ago.
It's an all new reality show. A real survivor!!! Take a fenced in compound of several hundred acres, aw heck, give 'em a square mile (640 acres).
Turn them loose and tell them they'd better hide real good. Give 'em a few hours and then turn the victims family members loose with weapons to hunt them down. You could have the place loaded with cameras.
Imagine the ratings!!!
You'd accomplish several things. You'd carry out the execution. You'd give the victims family some closure (not all families would want this but some would and it would be good for them). And you could sell advertising to cover the cost of prisons.

[Cool Texan]

First of all...take notice of my avatar.

Secondly... with Texas leading the nation, or close to it, in executions, there is naturally always a lot of protesting around the subject.

It was a classic GW moment, before being elected to office, that he was asked by people at a press conference to do away with the death penalty.

He looked at them and said "You want to do away with the death penalty in Texas? That's easy, and I know how we can do it....Don't kill anyone in my state!". [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

Agree or disagree....but ya gotta admit, the guy has 10# brass ones to answer the question like that. :grin:

[TheRogue]

hmmmmm...Sinker, did you have a normal childhood?

When all the stuff went on about the governor of Illinois?? commuted all those death sentences, one thing stuck with me, and I'll have to search for the numbers....but like 90% of those on death row have convictions of or were suspected of prior violent offenses. So, it's tough to feel sorry for the large majority of those on death row.

However, if only one truly innocent person dies for something they didn't do, well, I have a tough time supporting the death penalty. If it's to remain, I believe it should be reserved for cases like Longo's, where he admitted to murder (although not all of them).

TR

[1pump]

Sentences should be carried out swiftly and without undue fanfare. There is nothing to debate or celebrate.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">That's how the Chinese do it most of the time. The sentence is read, the convicted is person dragged outside and shot in the back of the head. "Appeal? Sorry, we discontinued that program." :shocked:

[feisty's wife]

Crabs, I agree totally with you

[Silver Hilton]

Originally posted by 1pump:
That's how the Chinese do it most of the time. The sentence is read, the convicted is person dragged outside and shot in the back of the head. "Appeal? Sorry, we discontinued that program." :shocked: [/QB]

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">And then they send the family of the accused a bill for the cost of the bullet. No kidding.

[skrimmy]

Originally posted by crabbait:
Silent long enough. My opinion:

I care not one wit whether the excecution of a known murderer deters another murderer. It is enough that the public knows that it will never have to fear that individual. Sentences should be carried out swiftly and without undue fanfare. There is nothing to debate or celebrate.

I also am concerned about executing an innocent individual. Execution should be reserved for cases where there is absolutely no doubt, reasonable or otherwise and the headlines should read like this:

"Convicted murderer Longo was sentenced to death and executed today.....". Every breath he takes after the sentence is read is one too many.

Limit the publicity this scum gets for committing the act and you go a long way toward deterence. GUILTY, bang, g'day!

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Crab, I couldn't agree more with you this time. [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

[Bigdog]

Sinker, First thing you'd want to do is Shoot them in the arms and legs then give'em a chance to run. This guy deserves alot worse than he got. I figure he got of to easy with Oregon's death penalty. What ever happend to the lynch mob.