O'Reilly Factor - Arnett and Treason? 8:00PM

[Born to be Wild]

It repeats itself at 1:00AM also.

I heard a little earlier at 5:00PM while I was working and think Bill was against treason charges but some of his guest think he should be tried.

Could be interesting to see what is said and compare with what ifisher's have stated on two different threads. I only caught a minute of it.

Fox News 8:00PM & 1:00AM

[Born to be Wild]

O'Reilly Factor


Could reporter Peter Arnett be charged with treason for his remarks to Iraqi TV? Bill investigates.

[Cool Texan]

[Straydog]

What Cool Texan said........

When people realize that people like Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Larrs Larson and all of others in thier line of business are entertainers, not journalists, they may then seek and find real news rather than simply entertainment.

I view this ilk much like I view World Wrestling Federation entertainers. At the least the wrestlers have to be in decent shape and get exercise. All these media entertainers do is exercise their jaws and created division in our communities and country. If you want treason to be based on speech, think about some of the lies these people spew on the airwaves each day.

It is not mere coincidence that since the success of Rush there has been a ground swell of these entertainers float to the surface. $$$$$$$

[ 04-04-2003, 07:29 AM: Message edited by: Straydog ]

[GutshotApe]

Originally posted by Straydog:
If you want treason to be based on speech, think about some of the lies these people spew on the airwaves each day.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Straydog - I probably don't listen to Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage or Bill O'Reilly as much as you do...so maybe you could list some of the lies you claim they spew?

Now, if you want to hear some really biased talk radio, check out JPR's (southern Oregon's answer to OPB) Jeff Golden. There is a guy who has an opinion on everything and who loves the sound of his own voice whether he makes sense or not.

[corrirod]

SD,

If you want treason to be based on speech, think about some of the lies these people spew on the airwaves each day.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">O.k. now tell me again how Peter Arnett doesn't fit the above description? Perhaps you don't fully understand why he lost his job twice before this incident?

[Cool Texan]

This is stirring up again? We've already thoroughly covered why Arnett is NOT guilty of Treason...not by a long shot. Move on.

[corrirod]

I'm not stirring it up again CT, I just find it ironic SD is saying these talk show hosts are spewing lies but Arnett is not.

Don't say by "a long shot" either CT unless YOU'RE trying to stir it up again. Take your own advice and "move on".

[willierower]

Arnette is guilty! He is a citizen of the United States who aided and comforted the enemy in a time of war............... Ive seen or heard 3 different shows on this subject, and the majority of the Constitutional law specealists agree that what he did was treason...... HANG THE ******* !, and while we are at it. Hang Geraldo too :grin:

(WR - Using ******* to defeat the word filter is a violation of the Acceptable use Policy. Expect an e-mail - crabbait)

[ 04-04-2003, 05:59 PM: Message edited by: crabbait ]

[Straydog]

Originally posted by corrirod:
I'm not stirring it up again CT, I just find it ironic SD is saying these talk show hosts are spewing lies but Arnett is not.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Corrirod,

Help me here. When did I say Arnett is or is not lying?

All I have argued and all I will continue to argue is that he in no way committed treason.

I have said more than once that it what he said was stupid. Lying? I really don't know. He gave an opinion that the war was not working. It sounds like that is inaccurate so I guess lying may be an appropriate lable. On the other hand, he didn't say anything much different than some of our military commanders. Were they lying and should they be accused of treason by you and others?

I don't hear it being said.

Also, once again, if indeed he commited treason why is he not incarcerated?

You know, in this whole flap about Arnett, I think the question that really needs to be asked is, given his history, why was he hired and inbedded with our troops?

[ 04-04-2003, 02:26 PM: Message edited by: Straydog ]

[husker]

no way should pete be charged with treason.....he should learn to shut up sometimes but he has done nothing worthy of treason.....geradlo rivera came much closure to treason by disclosing his exact location and war plan.....but his blunder is treason either......now if somebody walks up to an iraqi and gets americans put in needless harms way.....thats treason....

[Cool Texan]

Willie, hey, if TV said it then it must be true.

We'll disagree for a long time on this one....but I'm cool with that.

As for Geraldo, that guy has been a dirtball for a long time.

[Born to be Wild]

Straydog,

When people realize that people like Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Larrs Larson and all of others in thier line of business are entertainers, not journalists, they may then seek and find real news rather than simply entertainment.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">I get my news from a number of sources including Fox. Only watch O'Reilley on ocassion if I see something of interest. Unfortunately he didn't repeat last night and the minute or so I caught of his show yesterday I believe he disagreed with his guest and said he felt Arnett made a mistake but not guilty of treason. Someone that was on the show wants to get him tried.

So anyway, that is yours and Stew's opinion on Bill, Rush, etc. Obviously, there are millions that dissagree with you on this matter also. Just curious, who do you condider "real news"?

There is three or four ifisher's on the other threads that must consider Al Jazeera "real news". I think we know who they are, and they really make me ill. I go to bed at night and wake up the next morning wondering how we could have these clueless idiots living amongst us.

I thought I read several weeks ago you claimed to be a republican, yet everything I hear come out of you is left wing liberal democrat ideology.

[Straydog]

Originally posted by DepoeBayDan:
I thought I read several weeks ago you claimed to be a republican, yet everything I hear come out of you is left wing liberal democrat ideology.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">I am a registerd Republican and have been since I registered at age 18. That would be 31 years ago.

I would be curious know some specifics of my idealogy that you would consider "left wing liberal democrat."

Given you have claimed I want to stop logging and steal jobs because I support NSIA's support of the Tillamook Forest Plan put forth by the coalition, I am suspect of your judgment concerning my idealogy.

If you are really concerned with determining where I am coming from, please offer some specific stances I have taken to back your claim and we can discuss them.

As for my news source, I get most from NPR while on the road. I also listen to KPNW news out of Eugene while on the road. I have been looking at MSNBC once in a while although I spend less than an hour a week watching any TV. I listen to Rush a little. Used to listen to him a lot but he got old, too loud and in your face. I have been listening to Lars a little lately for entertainment. I occaisionaly listen to Bill O'Reilly's No Spin zone on the radio. He makes more sense than Rush and Lars usually but his in your face style gets old too. They are certainly no news sources. I listen to Jeff Golden on JPR (GSA's hero! ha!) and find him monotone and trying too hard to be laid back although I think he is a much more gracious host than those listed above and has much more tolerance for differing opinions. He has good guests on the second hour and you can learn a lot from it.

I read the Oregonian on line and sometimes at lunch on real paper. Same with the Medford Mail Tribune. I read the Grants Pass paper.

I have some friends that are really left wing liberals that send me stuff via email from various sources. I have some friends that are really right wing conservatives that send me stuff via email from various sources.

I occasionally listen to the BBC on the radio.

For fun once in a while I take a look at media******online.com.

I guess that pretty well covers it.

[ 04-04-2003, 04:35 PM: Message edited by: Straydog ]

[Born to be Wild]

I don't think you can compare what Geraldo and Arnett did. I didn't see the Geraldo incident, just heard a little about it. Geraldo could have given the enept Iraqi's the GPS numbers for there location and it wouldn't have made a difference. The military and media didn't keep it a secret that they were at Bagdad International only 10 miles from city center.

Arnett on the other hand cheered the Iraqi military on to fight the failing American military.

[Straydog]

OOOppppss.......... forgot about those filters!

Let's see, make that media (single word for "women of ill repute") online.com

[Thumper]

Straydog, you make me laugh aloud. :grin: Not a liberal? Gimme a break!

[Straydog]

Thumper,

Not much can be said to that except, isn't there a place between liberal and conservative? Isn't there more to individuals than black and white, this box that box?

There is in my world.

Beyond that, I would ask of you the same I asked of Dan, give me some specifics and prove me a 'liberal'.

[ 04-04-2003, 05:13 PM: Message edited by: Straydog ]

Right on Straydog!
These political pundits do little more than spread fear and hate! It's too bad that reasonable and intelligent conservatives like George Will and William F. Buckley don't have a bigger following among the far right crowd. They are able to get their message across in a thoughtful and intelligent manner unlike O'Reilly,Lars and Rush.
These radio conservatives are really little more than circus side shows.
I admit to listening to some of these guys because of the entertainment they provide. What is dangerous however is the more radical of them call for suspension of 1st Amendment Rights.

[Cool Texan]

I'm neither stirring things up, nor am I supporting Arnett. Just stating that he is NOT guilty of treason...not even close.

[Albacore Tuna Captain]

I'm a Republican and proud of it. But being a Republican does not mean you follow any set rules of ideaology. Straydog may have a lean in a direction that may confuse some hard liners but that doesn't mean SD can't be a Republican. Many people don't know what the Republican party stands for and so they get confused when someone can have a different point of view. That's why I became a Republican. When I was a Democrat (years ago before I grew up and matured)I was expected to follow the liberal Democrat line and if I didn't, I wasn't a true Democrat. So I wasn't a true Democrat and changed my party affilation because I found in the Republican party the tolerance for different views. I don't think we should be bashing someone who has different points of views. Maybe if the point of view is rediculas or plain uninformed, we can enlighten them but let's be American about it and allow someone the right to have an opinion. I don't agree with SD on some positions taken, but there you go.

[DanS]

because I found in the Republican party the tolerance for different views

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[Hoosier Daddy]

Originally posted by Straydog:
It is not mere coincidence that since the success of Rush there has been a ground swell of these entertainers float to the surface. $$$$$$$

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Huh? I would blame Geraldo, Maury Povich, Jerry Springer, Howard Stern, and all the rest before Limbaugh. He's part of the group, but he didn't start the party.


And DanS, what's so funny about that?
There are as many "liberal" thought-****'s as there are Republicans.....There are a few Repubs, like Robertson etc., that are even considered by most Republicans to be too far to the right. I see an awful lot of "moderate" Democrats trying to legislate "correct-thinking" as well......just my opinion....

[ 04-07-2003, 02:08 PM: Message edited by: Hoosier Daddy ]

[Stratocaster]

Some of the most tolerant people i know are Republicans. Some of the most intolerant people i know are Democrats even a little racist, although they are not my friends(co-workers) But as we all know it runs both ways.

[DanS]

There are as many or more "liberal" thought-****'s as there are Republicans

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Is that so? Personally, I've found both parties to be controlled by the most extreme members. Look at the party platforms.....neither side appears too open-minded to me. Extremism seems to be the name of the game in politics today.

Oh, and I guess you're right.......it isn't too funny.

[Hoosier Daddy]

I will agree that they exist on both sides.

(I will also eliminate the "or more" in my post)

[ 04-07-2003, 02:09 PM: Message edited by: Hoosier Daddy ]

[Born to be Wild]

Bigeye Tuna Captain,

I wasn't in any way bashing SD for his political affiliation, just inquiring why it seems he seems to lean liberal on everything but claimed to be republican.

I'm replublican also. If I were of the other party, just the fact knowing that Bill & Hilary were in my political party would be enough to make me jump ship!

Go Bush, go Army, go Navy, go Marines, go Air Force, and go USA.

Go away Regime, go away Arnett, and go away protestors.

[Straydog]

Dan,

Once again you say I seem to lean liberal on everything but offer no specifics.......... :whazzup: