POW rescued!

RvW · 04-01-2003, 03:55 PM

PFC Jessica Lynch 19 rescued today by US special forces!

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Pray for the safe return of the remaining POWs and MIAs

Cool Texan · 04-01-2003, 04:01 PM

Born to be Wild · 04-01-2003, 05:18 PM

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norms gone fishing too · 04-01-2003, 05:19 PM

fishbane · 04-02-2003, 05:12 PM

This is a very great thing.
I am happy for her and her Family. I hope others will be found.

I do take issue with the media calling her a hero though.

The True heros are the Iraqies that let us know where she was. [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

The special forces that rescued her are the heros [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

She unlike the 11 other bodies they found is very lucky.
Don't get me wrong I just don't believe she is a hero becuased she got rescuced after taking a wrong turn and getting caught.

1pump · 04-02-2003, 08:05 PM

The media is taking this "rescued POW" story too far, even by their twisted standards.
Why are they hanging out in front of her parents house? And at Ramstein hoping to get a glimpse of her being transferred on a gurney from a transport into an ambulance? And why do they need to trumpet it every 10 minutes?
Don't get me wrong, I thought it was great news the first time I heard it. But there's a lot more families out there with members that are KIA, WIA, MIA, and POW. And there's sure to be more. The time for rejoicing will be when this conflict is concluded.
The media has either lost touch with it's viewers, or has firmly established that this country is populated by ignorant boobs with an attention deficit disorder and a morbid fascination with the Lynch household in Podunk, West Virginia.

Actually it's Palestine, West Virginia, and the irony isn't lost on me. [img]graemlins/1zhelp.gif[/img]

[ 04-02-2003, 10:23 PM: Message edited by: 1pump ]

Thumper · 04-02-2003, 08:16 PM

Welllll, she IS cute!!!

1pump · 04-02-2003, 08:41 PM

Thumper, you're right on there. Every time I see her heart-melting smile on the tube I scream and jab the remote, only to get bombarded by the same image on the next channel.
There were probably 10 agents and producers hanging around the hospital in Germany before she even got there, trying to get first crack at movie and/or book rights.
Sarah Michelle Gellar would look good in fatigues.

GutshotApe · 04-03-2003, 06:02 AM

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Originally posted by fishbane:
I do take issue with the media calling her a hero though.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">I agree...getting captured doesn't convey automatic "hero" status. However, I read an account of the fight her unit was in and she apparently returned fire and shot several Iraqis. If that gal could hunker down, aim and fire her M-16...and drop some bad guys, well, in my book, she's a

HERO!

Straydog · 04-03-2003, 06:22 AM

Good for her! [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

As for all of the press, it it were the other side it would be called propaganda.

Degner · 04-03-2003, 12:17 PM

She is a hero.

Lured In · 04-03-2003, 02:10 PM

The latest report I heard this morning cited that the unit came under heavy fire after getting lost. She sustained at least one gun shot wound in the battle and continued to fight.

This woman went to Iraq, thier unit got lost, reportedly came under enemy fire, she got hit, tried to take out a few Iraqi's, got captured. Apparently has two broken legs and broken arm to go with her gun shot wound(s). Manages to dig deep in her soul to maintain a will to live and gets rescued by special ops forces.

YOU GO GIRL!!!! :grin:

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Lured In · 04-03-2003, 02:17 PM

According to a Fox News report..."The father of rescued POW Army Pfc. Jessica Lynch said Thursday she was in great spirits following her first surgery and said she had not been shot or stabbed during her ordeal."

Still a hero in my book.

Anybody else think my above post sounds like a movie? Man I gotta stop watching the news! :shocked:

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kong · 04-03-2003, 11:51 PM

I can't believe some of you for critisizing this young soldier! You have no idea how their convoy became seperated from the main convoy and I would like to see you get shot, have major bones broken, stabbed and not fed for eight day! She deserves everything that comes her way, I can't fathom some of theses derogataory comments coming from loyal Ifisher's, would you like to trade her places?

Thumper · 04-03-2003, 11:56 PM

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Originally posted by kong:
I can't believe some of you for critisizing this young soldier!....I can't fathom some of theses derogataory comments coming from loyal Ifisher's, would you like to trade her places?

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">What did I miss??? I didn't see any derogatory comments. Unless calling her "cute" is derogatory?

RvW · 04-05-2003, 01:10 AM

after the "women in combat" rules changed in 1994, any woman to brave the front lines, in whatever role is a "hero" in my book.

No, getting her legs broken doesnt make her a hero, being subject to inhumane treatment doesnt make her a hero...no news agency will bring up the likelyhood of **** or gender related abuse, either physical or psychological, but all these things are right there in front of her when she signed the damn enlistment papers so in my book..shes a HERO, along with every last person who steps off a boat, plane or helicopter knowing theres a gun or a bomb pointed in thier direction.

Someone tired of hearing the newsmedia say "hero"?
turn off your TV and pretend it was YOU eating knuckles for 8 days...biting fingernails because your daughter is MIA, laying in a makeshift hospital wondering if you are important enough to "save" wondering how many lives might be lost in the effort.

I posted this as a sigh of relief that one of the missings families didnt get a knock on the door and an american flag in exchange for thier child. Fishbane..1pump...would she be a hero in your book if she was dead? Or if you didnt force yourself to watch the same news story you hate so much over and over and over?

Thank you Jessica for your bravery, and thanks to those responsible for bringing you home. Wear the "hero" labels proudly!

1pump · 04-05-2003, 12:23 PM

Oh, come on, COTR. A couple of wars ago this situation wouldn't even be news. Now we have hospital spokespeople telling the whole country what she had for lunch. The occupants of the 50-plus body bags shipped home so far didn't get lunch. She's damn lucky compared to the rest of her unit, many of whom were found buried on the hospital grounds. Not to mention some others still in captivity.
"Hero" is the most misused and abused word being spouted by the media. Always has been. This is just the latest example. She deserves the gratitude of this nation, as does everybody else over there. Like a lot of others, she joined the peacetime military to get a better chance for an education. She was an ordinary person caught up in extraordinary circumstances, like millions of soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines over the last 200 years. Like the vast majority, she did her job and went down fighting. She should be proud of that. I would be.
Hero? The real meaning of that word has become more than a little vague over the years. It seems to apply to everybody from pro athletes to cops to teachers.

The one person who should be called a hero is the Iraqi who tipped off the Marines to her location. His life isn't worth a plugged nickel while the fedayeen are still running around the countryside, and he knows it. Sometimes you have to dig for them, but decent people can be found anywhere.

timinthegorge · 04-05-2003, 02:04 PM

1pump..... the report I heard was the guy (and his family) who gave the tip to our guys about Jessica were being re-located to a camp someplace in-country. And frankly, I'd be very surprised if he wasn't compensated in the near future by some hollywood types....

Is Jessica cute? Yeah. Is she a hero? You BET SHE IS!!! Are the Rangers, Marines, and SEALS that went to get her Heroes? Absolutely!

Let's try to remember, unlike any conflict in history, the news is coming in to us in our living rooms sometimes faster than our own unit and division and regional commanders are getting it.

I find it amusing to watch the Iraqi Information Minister claim we're not in Bagdad, and don't occupy the Bagdad International Airport.

Born to be Wild · 04-05-2003, 11:39 PM

Is she cute? Yea. Does it matter? No. Did she take on Iraqi's? Yea. Did she get tortured? Yea. Is she a hero? Yea. Does she deserve extra attention? Yea! Will she be in a hollywood movie even though Hollywood doesn't deserve her? Yea.

Bless her and her family. Yea!

RvW · 04-06-2003, 12:33 AM

Are you for real 1pump? So what your saying is our armed forces are manipulating young men and women promising them an educational free ride in exchange for a slim to no chance of being subjected to broken legs, gunshots, torture.?...

"CMON" is right!...

Is there some idiot in a portion of West Virginia who doesnt understand that they are in a MILITARY organization and may be called to hostile territory at any time when they sign up for thier montgomery GI bill? Give me a break.

I suppose they told her she was going to Disneyland when she got on the plane bound for Iraq too? A declaration of war was just code for "Epcot here we come"

She didnt empty her gun on opposition soldiers thinking she would be disqulaified from a higher education if she suddenly decided she wanted to be a tractor rider like dad and layed her gun down. Those bullets flying back at her were real. I wonder how many she hit before she was taken hostage.

Heck just going to a hostile land in exchange for what amounts to a few months of tuition qualifies as a hero if you ask me. But what do I know?

Straydog · 04-06-2003, 06:54 AM

COTR,

Good question.

:grin:

Look up the word hero. (I realize, actualy definitions of words means little to some that post here, but humor me.)

Now, tell me, if most any person was in the postition this gal found herself in, would they not fight for their life until the very end? Would they not keep firing in an attempt to protect themselves from the evils they have read and been told the enemy will do against them if captured?

Having had to witness the grueling struggle my father went through to hang on to life when his mind and body were failing him by the day. (something tells me you can relate to this, COTR :depressed: ) Watching the natural desire to live and what the human spirit and body will endure to remain alive tells me this girl did what comes natural, she fought her butt off to hold on to life.

I am very, very happy she won. Tickled pink she came out alive and will hopefully have a full and long life ahead of her.

However, given the actual definition of hero (I know, there I go being anal about words meaning what they mean again), this girl did little or nothing different than anyone else would do under the circumstances and that does not classify as hero.

Darned good soldier and tribute to our country for being there, yes. Hero, no.

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1pump · 04-06-2003, 07:46 PM

Thank you, Straydog.

COTR, I said the same thing Straydog did. Everybody who enlists knows they stand a chance of finding themselves in an extremely dangerous place and/or situation. Some more likely than others, depending on their MOS. That's why everybody goes through basic training.
I don't know where you got the idea that I said she was misled by the Army.
She rose to the occasion like many, many ordinary young men and women before her, during conflicts that ended long before her parents were even born. She was luckier than some. It's no coincidence that most Medals of Honor are awarded posthumously.
She did her duty, maybe even above and beyond. But I'm not jumping on that hyperbole-driven hero bandwagon.