US americans executed, my thoughts

sliverslinger · 03-23-2003, 07:31 AM

I think that we should go in and just get rid of the whole country over there.We need to pull a hiroshima on them. just pull our troops out, and A bomb there butts. Then for a follow up measure drop an H bomb on them. Kill them all, let GOD sort them out.

But only do this when we get our troops back from them. They are holding some of our troops hostage. and have killed some execution style

Just my .02

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Pete · 03-23-2003, 08:05 AM

Geeze, what are you thinking? We initiated military action. There was NO chance we wouldn't lose troops in doing so. Emotional reaction to the reality of war merely clouds any response and places more people at risk. If we are going to prosecute a war, we must do it intelligently and strategically or we play into the hands of our enemies. We've committed to protecting innocents. I don't think we've yet invented nuclear warheads that selectively judges it's victems. If you have something useful to say, please share it. Killing 24 million oppressed people who are anxious for liberation because we lost a few soldiers doesn't make sense to me.

lost_sailor · 03-23-2003, 08:09 AM

:shocked:

let's just blow up the whole freakin' world, Maynard!

24 on/ 48 off · 03-23-2003, 09:30 AM

I distinctly remember President Bush telling us that US lives would most likely be lost.

I didn't hear anyone saying "Nuke 'em" at that point. We were warned this would happen. It's not a pleasant thought, but war is generally not that way.

--spud-- :smile:

Sea Nymph · 03-23-2003, 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by lost_sailor:
:shocked:

let's just blow up the whole freakin' world, Maynard!

That's probably what somebody would have done by now if not for America and her forces.

SN

Jettin' Fool · 03-23-2003, 10:44 AM

Losing American lives in a war is to be expected. But POW's being beatin and shot in the head execution style is not! I guess I'm not shocked by this....they shoot there own people in the head for breaking their "laws".

This live coverage of battle is kinda strange. Almost makes me want to be there.....well maybe not.

Fool

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cannonball · 03-23-2003, 12:26 PM

You cant punish innocents for the acts of their countrymen. You can, however, find who commited the acts and FRY them. Just be patent, and pray for their families and souls

Just_learning · 03-23-2003, 12:47 PM

wow Silver Slinger....just a little more redneck rhetoric I guess...
War is horrible, and there are no rules. You think the families of the Iraqis being killed arent feeling the same way?
This whole war is stupid, Bush is stupid, and I only hope that he realizes this before more Iraqis and Americans are killed.

Jennie@ifish · 03-23-2003, 01:55 PM

Yikes... are there really people that feel that way?

Silverslinger, you.... shock me!

J

Kruechief · 03-23-2003, 02:47 PM

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You can’t punish innocents for the acts of their countrymen. You can, however, find who committed the acts and FRY them. Just be patent, and pray for their families and souls

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just a little more redneck rhetoric I guess...

I am offended by this statement. Also, this one

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Bush is stupid

if anyone here is "stupid" then perhaps you should look in the mirror.

As for the original thread, SS, I know it is difficult to think of these heinous things occurring to our brave soldiers but don't go overboard, the perpetrators will be caught and it will be a severe penalty.

Krue

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Just_learning · 03-23-2003, 03:21 PM

Krue...
Your post shows you are ignorant because you're associating yourself with the redneck logic, which is unable to comprehend a more just and rational solution to the problem and so resorts, simply, to the "kill em' all" philosophy...

As for Bush, what right does a man who has only displayed a talent for mediocrity have to be credited with intelligence. Was it the millions of dollars in investors money he has lost over his years, in failed business ventures? Or is it just that he was lucky enough to be born into a wealthy, politically connected family.

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FM2 · 03-23-2003, 03:39 PM

JL, Krue happens to shed some light on some people's extreme biased positions. War is not the preferred solution but after years of sanctions do you think the government of Irag feels the pressure of the sanctions? No they don't and they continue to deprive their very own people of freedoms and liberties while living lives of luxury and supporting terrorism. Maybe you have forgotten about 9/11, The USS Cole, The bombing of embassy's and other terroist acts. I don't think sanctions has any deterrant on these types of people so as has been revealed, the US is trying to oust the Iraqi government, not to take over the country and it's people.

I find it interesting JL that a thread on the main board you posted on has in your signature line "here's to beer, the cause and solution to all problems", like Krue said, look into the mirror!

Just_learning · 03-23-2003, 03:52 PM

FM2, your a bit older than me, so maybe you remember way back when...maybe around 1980ish when the united states trained Saddam his followers and brought them to power. Not only doing this, but giving them chemical weapons(ricin, anthrax, etc..) to use against Iran when we were having our little skirmish with them.
Terorist attacks on the US can be directly linked to many of our choices in our nations FLAWED foreign policy over the past 50 years. Have you ever been to the middle east and seen what it is like? If you havent I suggest you go see it first hand. I have been in an apartment where a mortar shell went off across the street, fired by US forces. Where was I you ask, I was in Beiruit. At my grandmothers house in a residential area. I have been all over the world to about 15 different countries. The world is sick of the united states empowering people for thier own benefit for a short while, getting what they want, then leaving them to fend for themselves. WHY doesnt the United States intervene in the conflict between Pakistan and India? They have both long been suspected of harboring nuclear weapons. Why you ask? What does either of those countries have to offer this country? Nothing.
So is it right for Bush to secure our economical well being by killing thousands of Iraqis? Just to secure a few oil wells and make our gas prices go down by .50cents? Could you ever put a value on your childs life? On your parents? How about yours? Well that is what Bush is doing, and just because they arent american, he shows them as less than human.
Just my $.02

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Jennie@ifish · 03-23-2003, 04:06 PM

... Please learn to refrain from calling people ignorant, and avoid personal insults.

Thanks,
Jen

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Kruechief · 03-23-2003, 04:43 PM

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Your post shows you are ignorant because you're associating yourself with the redneck logic

SS, is not speaking as a redneck but as an extremely upset American citizen. By the way, YOU labeled him, not me. Why do you feel that rednecks are ignorant, bloodthirsty people?

I would rather be associated with most "redneck" logic then with most others. I personally believe that a redneck is a name used to describe most rural Americans. And as such, I am a redneck. We rednecks are the average tax paying Americans who support this country not only with our taxes but also we are the ones who do the Patriotic chores that many urbanites won't.

When I picture a redneck I see my friends and others in this country who work hard, play hard, and attend a Christian church. Perhaps your problem isn't with SS's statement but with a way of life here in the USA.

I forgive you for your disregard and for your callous and misguided comments.

Kruechief

Stratocaster · 03-23-2003, 05:27 PM

Everyone here is guilty of posting while angry(pwa) and say things that sound out of character after you cool down a re-read. With all due respect Just Learning all the political partisan talk has been covered, oh has it been covered.The war is on, whether you agree with it or not.Lets pray for the troops and hope the sacrifices are not in vain.

fishin · 03-23-2003, 06:31 PM

Krue.... [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

Boedy · 03-23-2003, 07:26 PM

Just Learning you sure do have a lot to learn and I am going to hold my tongue for the most part because you make me sick and I am afraid that if I was to post my true feelings it would violate the code of conduct of this board. I am not going to get kicked for telling some 80 post newbe what I really think of him. I can�t believe you are trying to justifying the executions of American POWS by blaming Bush and not the Savages that did it. You need to remember what country you live in no matter what your political views are. Those are dead Americans over there and they where fighting to protect your ungrateful butt if you want to believe it or not.

sliverslinger · 03-23-2003, 07:39 PM

I just worked my butt off and paid my taxes, so now I will exercise my freedom of speech.
Do you guys think that Saddam or Osamma thought about all of the innocent people that they were going to kill before their people took out the Twin Towers with the jets they commandeered? They dont even know what the Geneva convention is, let alone follow the rules, so why do we have to? We have to do something before they do something worse to us, REMEMBER NUCLEAR WEAPONS, that they were making. Who do you think that they were for? hunting? They were meant for the United States. And for 1 I will not go down without a fight if they happen to show up at my doorstep. If I could be over there, I would go ! Yes I am a Redneck and damn proud of it.
Some of you who responded to this post sound like you are a bunch of anti-war people. If you are please do not post on this thread. Some of us here have real strong feelings on this matter.
I am sorry if I offended anyone, but these are my thoughts on this war.

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Just_learning · 03-23-2003, 08:03 PM

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Originally posted by Boedy:
I am not going to get kicked for telling some 80 post newbe what I really think of him. I can�t believe you are trying to justifying the executions of American POWS by blaming Bush and not the Savages that did it. You need to remember what country you live in no matter what your political views are. Those are dead Americans over there and they where fighting to protect your ungrateful butt if you want to believe it or not.

Boedy, so my opinions strength and validity is based on my number of posts? Well guess what, I was a member before you! [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img] (I am being sarcastic) I am not directly blaming Bush. Savages that killed our MEN? So when we kill one of thier men is it completely justified? Have you ever been to the Arab world? Have you seen the destruction and humility the people there have been subjected to, due to the US putting its nose where it doesnt belong? I am not justifying the deaths of the US soldiers, for there are truly no rules in war. Another thing, is that if you read more than just one newspaper or website, you will see that Saddam has distinctly ordered his troops to treat POW's with respect so that the world will see it as a political victory for him and the Arab world.

Silver Slinger, if you knew anything about the Middle East you would know that Saddam and Osama are MORTAL enemies and they would have nothin to do with each other. Has Saddam ever made a direct threat on the United States? No. Did the UN ever find any of these weapons our "great leader"( I use that term loosely) has accused them of having? NO. I have friends there fighting too, and they are split on the situation.
History shows that if enough people have such a problem with the ruling parties that they cant stand it anymore, they rise up and overthrow thier government.
Saddam has not shown the huge brutalities that people such as Pol Pot, Baby Doc, and Mao showed. Its thier country let them work it out. I am proud to be an American. Just not proud of the choices this country is making right now. It disgusts me and makes me hang my head in shame.

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Kruechief · 03-23-2003, 08:27 PM

JL,

I know you feel that I am an "ignorant redneck" but I can read (I mean forget that I graduated *** Laude from the greatest university in the state, yes, the one in the city where you live).

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Did the UN ever find any of these weapons our "great leader"( I use that term loosely) has accused them of having?

You might want to check this out.
JL says No such thing as WMDs in Iraq

Hmmm, wonder what else will turn up that the benevolent Saddam has accidentally neglected to reveal.

Krue the ignorant redneck

Snapset · 03-23-2003, 08:50 PM

You guys take it easy on JL. He is after all, "Just Learning". He is also a nice guy even though I disagree with him.

thankful · 03-23-2003, 09:27 PM

Isn't it nice to be able to speak out peacefully against our government and even burn our flag without the fear of being jailed and worst put to death. There are lots of countries whose people does not have the civil liberties like we have and Iraq is one of them. I am a Vietnam vet and I hate war from experience but I will volunteer again if called upon by my country. I will continue to honor and respect those men and women who performed their duty and many gave their lives so that we have the liberty and freedom to voice our opinions on subjects we hardly know anything about.....so suffice to say that its better to support our troops and their commander. God bless the USA!!!!!!

Straydog · 03-24-2003, 06:39 AM

Boedy,

This article says the site was a 'suspected' wmd production facility.

You seem quick to become judge and jury.

From what I have heard on the radio this morning, nothing has been substantiated or proven.

Gosh, you don't think the media is doing everything it can to convince the American public, especially those so anxious to condemn and kill, that we are doing the right thing over there do you?

It sure seems to be working on some of us.

Worm-N-ator · 03-24-2003, 07:00 AM

These are wonderful words of wisdom by John Stuart Mill:

"War is an ugly thing, but not the
ugliest of things. The decayed and
degraded state of a moral and
patriotic feeling which thinks that
nothing is worth war is much worse.
A man who has nothing for which he
is willing to fight-nothing he cares
about more than his own safety-is a
miserable creature who has no chance
of being free, unless made and kept
so by the exertions of better men than
himself."
I think those words directly apply to this nation right now.

To those of you who have served in the armed forces, I would like to say "THANK YOU".

Kruechief · 03-24-2003, 07:30 AM

Thankful,

Bless you for your service and thank you for your insight.

Worm-N-ator,

Excellent piece,

Thanks,

Kruechief

GutZ · 03-24-2003, 01:23 PM

JL -
Do you now or have you ever worked for Al-jazeera? You seem to share their point of view.

There correspondent is certainly making a fool of himself.

There are Rules of War! Here they are! Geneva Convention 1949 Just Learn!

Those responsible for the Murder of POW's will be brought to justice. They will know no peace, ever.

Combatants killed in the line of duty and Prisoners of War murdered are two entirely different things.

May they rest in Peace.

Silver Hilton · 03-24-2003, 07:21 PM

I think what the world is learning, or will eventually learn, is that the Geneva Convention is a polite bit of fiction that is really meaningless. I don't say this to in any way defend the actions of the Iraqis, or to blame the actions of the US. I think the pragmatism will require us in the future to understand that the Tier two nations of the world will often ignore the Geneva Convention and other treaties, simply because they tries to outlaw the most efficient ways of making war. Well, guess what, when you're a small nation that is at war with an incredibly more powerful adversary, if your choice is using banned tactics or losing, what is the probable choice?

We saw it in Chechnya and we'll see it here. When we get close to Bagdad city center, bet of gas grenades coming out.

Desperation knows no rules.

First Light Bite · 03-24-2003, 07:52 PM

Those who do evil will get their just rewards. The eagle has landed.
Lets just pray for the whole world then all go fishing.
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24 on/ 48 off · 03-24-2003, 09:08 PM

So we ignore the UN (A week ago) and expect the Iraqi's to abide by the Geneva Convention today?

Why do countries even participate in world forums and conventions only to disregard the opinions of the majority?

Selective subordination? :whazzup:

--spud-- :smile:

Born to be Wild · 03-25-2003, 09:14 PM

24 on/ 48 off,

Because the UN proved itself ineffective. If you have been watching the news, you would see the Rusians had been illegally supplying the Iraqi�s counter GPS units over there and I believe I heard they had some of there technicians over there showing the Iraqi's how to use them. The Russians and French and probably the Germans had had ulterior motives or interest in Iraq so as to vote against disarming them.

The US and Britain decided to ignore the stalling of the UN any longer because of the weather factor. Wait any longer and our men & women would be fighting in 100+ degree weather with chem suits on. Wait till next year? Saddam is already getting to dangerous and this has already been going on for 12 years. If you remember back in September, the UN unanimously voted for Saddam to disarm or else� He to no surprise decided not to. France said they would veto any resolution to take action against Iraq.

I believe when this is all over with, the French are going to be very embarrassed and history will show we did the right thing. So, let�s wait till this is over with and I would be willing to bet that a lot of ifisher�s, Dashel�s and protestors will be silenced.

Also, someone pointed out that Saddam and Al Qaeda don�t see eye to eye. It has been documented that some Al Qaeda members have been in Iraq. Problem is Saddam and Al Qaeda share a mutual hatred for the West and I would not think for a minute someone as crazy as Saddam wouldn�t share his chemical�s with other terrorist that aim to use them on the US.

Give it some time and the WMD�s will be found in Iraq. Hopefully they will not be used against us or Iraqi civilians during the war. The Iraqi�s are all ready using civilians as human shields and also shooting some of there own people.