Peace Protest in Portland

Jennie@ifish · 03-20-2003, 05:19 PM

THIS, on TV, is what turns people OFF to the idea of a Peace Protest.

I'm sickened by it nearly as much as I am, war.

What a terrible example to set for peace!

Jen

1pump · 03-20-2003, 05:27 PM

Um...uh...did I miss something? :whazzup:

OK, never mind, I just turned on the TV and figured it out.

Yeah, what she said!

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The Fishing Geek · 03-20-2003, 05:36 PM

*sigh* Both sides of the debate have loons that make those of us who are rational look bad.

Thumper · 03-20-2003, 05:47 PM

I see that Portland, along with Chicago, made the CNN evening report. Shame on us........ :depressed:

Jennie@ifish · 03-20-2003, 05:54 PM

I guess you are right, Geek.

It just wasn't pretty to watch.

Pepper spray, people falling off bridges, ramming against the police, knocking over their bikes, blocking the very streets that we would need to escape, should we have an emergency....

Ish.

Be peaceful, peace protesters! Peaceful!

Jen

The Fishing Geek · 03-20-2003, 06:10 PM

Violent anti-war protestors are like fur-clad PETA members.

Lured In · 03-20-2003, 06:20 PM

Geek...

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As my father and I were talking about this yesterday, his comment is that there is a clear difference between a protest and a riot.

One is legal one is not. You make the call.

Sea Nymph · 03-20-2003, 07:02 PM

these peace freaks make me sick! my wife was all stressed out trying to get home in time to pick up our 2 year old from daycare. did she make it in time? no.

breaking out windows, stomping on and burning flags... stoppig traffic. using our cities public safety resources to keep these people from destroying the town. my god what's next? jumping off the golden gate committing suicide in the name of peace? oh wait, somebody just did that.

protesting for a bunch of people that want to be liberated by the USA. people that are dieing everyday at the hands of an evil dictator.

yeah peace. whatever...

Rock Stick or Fish · 03-20-2003, 07:05 PM

Thumper it was probably one of the worst possible times to have a protestable event in Portland. The Oregon University system just ended its quarter this week and lots of people who would typically have something better to do, don't.

RSF

trout chaser · 03-20-2003, 07:20 PM

As I watched one of portland's finest citizens burn an American flag on TV. The anchor breaks in and tells of a helicopter crashing and killing all on board in Kuwait. I know a lot of people died protecting the rights of these idiots to burn a the Flag, but it really irks the heck out of me!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Fishing Geek · 03-20-2003, 07:22 PM

What happened earlier should not be the representation of the protestors. Those were idiots. What they are doing now (except for trying to stop freeway traffic, which is just plain Darwinesque) is the right way to do it.

Peaceful protest should be just that.

Boedy · 03-20-2003, 07:23 PM

Going to bite my tounge on this one as I am sure you all know what I am thinking anyway.

Boedy · 03-20-2003, 07:36 PM

On second thought no I'm not. Listen anytime you want to get a permit and protest fine but as soon as you step over the line you should be accountable just like anyone else. Blocking the freeway and bridges is no longer peaceful protest it is forcing your will on someone else. I thought that was what they where protesting in the first place the US forcing its will on Iraq. These so called peace activist should practice what they preach. I am watching the news and the crowd down there sure doesn�t look like Middle America more like professional protesters to me. I hope the police get the pepper spray and water cannons going and break this think up soon.

Big Dog · 03-20-2003, 07:36 PM

Bodey I would have to AGREEEE!!!!

Firedog · 03-20-2003, 07:47 PM

Excellent post Boedy!! I watched this on the news tonight and was so irritated. I totally respect the right to protest but like has been mentioned before once it flows into the streets and it's sole purpose is to disrupt traffic and shut down busines it is no longer a protest. It is an illegal gathering. I feel sorry for the first idiot to step out in front of my fire engine while I am trying to go help someone. I may not hit them but they may very well be deaf from listening to the siren and air horn till they move. I applaud the work of the Portland Police, they do an incredible job and the amount of restraint they have to show while dealing with these idiots is unbeleiveable.

Now I am not even going to talk about the flag burning!! Makes me to mad

Boedy · 03-20-2003, 07:50 PM

I am sure I would be going to jail if someone burned the flag in front of me.

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Joe Schwab · 03-20-2003, 08:17 PM

I came close to smashing my wide screen TV when I saw that. Then there was some guy in uniform saluting while these animals burned our flag. Sorry but they would have had to put me in jail if I had been on that street. PPD held their cool but only because of Vera's orders. She has to go.

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crabbait · 03-20-2003, 08:33 PM

Boedy - Your assesment of tonight's protest is right on. I agree with you (Ok, mark the day on the calendar).

As I told the guys at work today, the time to protest the decision to go to war or not to go to war is over. We are at war and I support our troops and hope they are all safe and home with their families soon.

As for the man who made the decision to go to war, I will express my opinion at the polls.

feisty's wife · 03-20-2003, 11:25 PM

I respect their right to peacefully protest, but they are stepping over the line. Nuke em

1pump · 03-21-2003, 12:04 AM

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the time to protest the decision to go to war or not to go to war is over. We are at war and I support our troops and hope they are all safe and home with their families soon.

Our esteemed moderator is right. I've done my fair share of spouting off against this war but the time for that is past. Those people downtown are not accomplishing anything except running up police overtime and destroying their own credibility.
I might have a low opinion of the current government, but I've never doubted the capabilities of our military at any point in my life. I have the highest confidence that they will carry out a clean campaign without the atrocities and cowardice displayed by their adversaries.
That being said, give 'em hell.

BTW, Boedy, most of the time I find you about as agreeable as a scorching case of jock itch, but we would both be in jail after seeing a US flag burn. Some things have to be sacred, and our flag is one of them.
Hopefully they'd put us in seperate cells.

happybrew · 03-21-2003, 01:24 AM

I find it truly amazing that those jerks would run up a big tab for local government that has nothing to do with what the federal government is doing, interfere with the ability of hardworking people to get to work or get home, and generally make absolute fools of themselves. I was reluctant to post my views against the war precisely because of people like that. Now that we have started, the time for protest is past. What they were doing was not protest, but civil disorder and it shouldn't be tolerated. I say stomp on them. Nothing like a nice baton to the shins and pepper spray to the eyes to make them rethink their attitude. A few will try to play martyr, but the rest would probably go crying home to Mommy. I'm sure glad we convinced my little brother to join the Army, or else he might have been with them. He was one of those anarchists until we got him to see the light. If we had compulsive military service, I bet we wouldn't have a problem with all of those dorks. At the very least, compulsive military service would expose them to something other than the anti-American garbage they are exposed to because of who they hang out with. It's all about socialization. If I saw someone burning a flag, I would certainly make sure that they thought twice about doing it a second time. No, I would not assault them. But I would rescue that symbol of this great nation of ours without regard to their physical comfort, and I would give them some choice words to let them know how stupid and ineffective their "protest" was while rescuing the flag from their grubby little ****** claws. They make me want to puke. Loyalty is a virtue they are certainly lacking in.

happybrew

sinker · 03-21-2003, 02:11 AM

Kind of funny (strange kind of funny) that they burn a flag here. Jordan told it's citizens any form of public display and they'd be punished severely!!!!
Why don't they go try burning their flag??

pdxkevin · 03-21-2003, 06:35 AM

I am so glad to have left the downtown by 4:30 yesterday. From what I heard on the news one group last night that caused a large portion of the traffic problems was called "Critical Mass". I was under the impression that they were a group trying to convince people to use alternate forms of transportation, though primarily bikes.

So, why did they keep blocking the TriMet busses? Several times I saw them block the MAX, too. Arn't they defeating thier purpose in convincing more people to join their side? If you want peopl to join your cause you shouldn't outright do stuff to tick them off ~ like stopping them from getting home safely and quickly.

On a different front: if the protestors are proud of their anti-war (pro violence) stance ~ then why the masks?

Every one of the videos from the protest needs to be reviewed and those who caused any damage need to be held responsible civilly and legally. If they are a minor, they can still do the time while their parent(s) pays for the damage! NO slack. It was not incidental nor was it accidental!

CATCH AND EAT · 03-21-2003, 06:56 AM

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Originally posted by crabbait:
the time to protest the decision to go to war or not to go to war is over. We are at war and I support our troops and hope they are all safe and home with their families soon.

Vortex? Planets aligned? What in the world? Crabbait this is an epic moment. I actually agree with you 100%. You expressed this very well.

As for exhaulted moderator, well........ :tongue:

I found the protested sickening, borish and the group critical mass blatently disrespectful of authority and the american people. The Flag burning was just horrible. Did you notice how proud that person was of what they were doing. So proud that they had their face covered. [img]graemlins/dork.gif[/img]

We as Americans have the right to peaceably assemble. We are required to be lawful and by ordinance required to have a permit to demonstrate. The protestors failed at these levels. They failed to get their message across. They (referring to the stupid ones) used this time to act like idiots and disrupt others lives. They call for peace yet in their civil disobedience they cause violence. [img]graemlins/stupid.gif[/img] Makes no sence. [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img]

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Big Willie · 03-21-2003, 06:58 AM

Exactly...what are the masks for? The ones that wear them are not protestors rather cowards looking for trouble. [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img]

Peaceful protesting...okee dokee, fine with me. These morons pushing over PPD bikes...bunch of crap.

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What gets me is when they get hand cuffed a little tight they cry like babies...and announce police brutality. [img]graemlins/dork.gif[/img]

GutshotApe · 03-21-2003, 07:08 AM

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Originally posted by Big Willie:
Exactly...what are the masks for?

Some wear masks because they are criminals with warrants out for their arrest....or they know they are about to become felons by assaulting persons and/or destroying property....and want to avoid responsibility for their deeds. Anyone who shows up at a street demonstration wearing a mask or bandana over their faces should be arrested on the spot, taken in for booking, and given a night or two in the slammer to think about life, etc....while their names, fingerprints, DNA etc. are screened to see what charges are appropriate.

pdxkevin · 03-21-2003, 07:14 AM

GutShotApe ~ you forgot the deep cavity searches that are needed, along with the finger printing and DNA sampling.

Hoosier Daddy · 03-21-2003, 07:55 AM

These "Peace" protesters are like internet discussion board trolls. The only way to make them go away is to ignore them. Which we won't do.

They have a right to protest, as long as it is done legally. Had I been out last night, I would have been sorely tempted to give some of them a little tap with my bumper. As it was, I was tempted to get in my car and head out to do it anyway.

Anyone catch the ones pulling down flags at the T&C dealership? Destroying property, and putting flags on the ground as well. I'm sure those who have and will die for that freedom would approve heartily.

Oh and save room in the cell for me if I run across a flag burner.

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SteelieSteve · 03-21-2003, 08:00 AM

These supposed peace protesters haven't a clue what the real issues are. The get together and disrupt life, cause personal damage, increase city costs for nothing. What I saw last night on tv was so stupid. I'm all for the Portland PD to take much more of a pro-active approach to stem any further disruptions. Vera Katz showed how ineffective a Mayor she can be. My approach to breaking up these demonstrations is to break out the water cannons and blow them all into the river.

The Fishing Geek · 03-21-2003, 08:13 AM

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Originally posted by SteelieSteve:
These supposed peace protesters haven't a clue what the real issues are. The get together and disrupt life, cause personal damage, increase city costs for nothing. What I saw last night on tv was so stupid. I'm all for the Portland PD to take much more of a pro-active approach to stem any further disruptions. Vera Katz showed how ineffective a Mayor she can be. My approach to breaking up these demonstrations is to break out the water cannons and blow them all into the river.

You should run for mayor on that platform. It's sure to be a very successful run.

Herring Impaired · 03-21-2003, 08:26 AM

What Boedy and Hoosier Daddy said!!!!

I lose all respect for "Peace Protesters" when they use their rights that people died for, to impede the rights of other citizens.

I'm all for free speech, but forcing their little protest on us, whether we agree with them or not, is not going to sway my opinion one Iota. In fact, it may sway me the opposite way.

The disrespect some of these protesters were showing to the media was pretty disgusting, Waving their IQ to the cameras with one finger...

I firmly believe that if the media just didn't show up, that the protest would quickly dissolve.

Nothing more ironic than a protester "Fighting for Peace!" Their "Civil Disobedience" is anything but Civil!

SteelieSteve · 03-21-2003, 08:29 AM

So Geek you have a problem with what I said? I read it before posting so why the repeat? Whats your point?

DJP · 03-21-2003, 08:58 AM

I'm embarrassed to be from Portland due to this willing display of ignorance. [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img] I can understand that people want to protest though this is far from peaceful and I for one cant take it any more therefore my family and I are moving out of this area. Now I'm not claiming this will fix anything and that there aren�t issues going on elswere, I just can�t take the mantel abuse of this city any longer.

Smj · 03-21-2003, 09:24 AM

It wasn't just Portland. I imagine there were protests all over the country in the larger citys. It's just that our local media chose to give the protest here in PDX major coverage.

What if the civil rights activists of the early '60 had just stood around nice and quiet on the sidewalks and gone home when the ALL white police forces told them to??
I think this war is wrong, and so do alot of other people, peaceful protests got nothing, so it makes sense that protests will become less peaceful. What!.. the protesters and people that believe this war is wrong are just supposed to say " OK, now that the war started anyway it's all right".

The way this country seems to be headed there is sure to be more and more less peaceful demonstrations in our future.

Smj

I don't really agree with the damage done by the protesters but I can understand their frustration.

The Fishing Geek · 03-21-2003, 09:25 AM

Sorry bout that, Steve. I should have only quoted the last sentence of your post.

I'm sure that using water cannons on protestors would be the cornerstone to an excellent run for political office.

Sturgeon King · 03-21-2003, 09:46 AM

Burning of the American Flag should be taken care of immediately. The PPD should have stepped in and arrested those idiots on the spot. It's a good thing there was a 32" TV between me and idiots burning "our" US Flag.
As far as people stepping out in traffic on I- 84, while I'm going 60mph.... watch out, I will not stop you freakin idiot(s).
If these retards actually think that jumping off bridges, or sitting in the middle of 84, or burning the American Flag are gonna stop the war.... they are dead wrong!!!
I do not like war, although I do support our President, Troops and what we are fighting for 110%.
For those people who burn US Flags or don't support the US at all, there will be some extra room in Baghdad very soon. Enjoy your stay!!!
God Bless America! ~SK~

03-21-2003, 09:59 AM

These "anarchists" show up everytime there is something they can disrupt. I'm not sure what their agenda is but for the most part they are punks who just want a chance break some windows and confront police.They cover their identity because of fear of being identified like someone posted earlier.
I heard that they come up here from Eugene but don't know for sure.
The use of water cannons brings back memories from Birmingham, Alabama back in the 60's during the civil rights movement and I would hate to see that happen. I thought the police did a good job and showed restraint [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img] This isn't over and this weekend could get real ugly.

Sea Nymph · 03-21-2003, 10:08 AM

To anybody who was delayed medical attention, deprived of timley police and/or fire fighter assistance, missed their flight, was late to work etc... should sue and sue big! Sue the city, the mayor the police force and get a list of everybody who was arrested and sue them. The tapes should be reviewed by the police and anyone who is guilty of arson and vandelism should be prosecuted to the fullest. If you tear my flag down and burn it, you're going to jail. If you smash my windows and/or vehicles, you're going to jail. Well, maybe not since here in Portland it's obviously legal to stop traffic, burn stuff in the street and destroy other peoples property.
I'm ashamed of our city because of the actions that were allowed to take place. I would like to see victims of these protests sue this city for every dime it's worth.

Degner · 03-21-2003, 10:10 AM

They are a perfect example of our internal enemies and should be dealt with harshly. The police should have had orders to arrest the lawbreakers and lock them up. Maybe get the new "homeland sercurity" to deal with these domestic terrorists.

trap50 · 03-21-2003, 10:33 AM

I sent this to Lee Rogers of KUPL. Anyone that listenes to the early show knows his feelings.
Tried to call this AM couldn't get through. I saw a interview with some Iraq
athelete s. The things that Saddam's son did to them is unreal. If I wasn't
completly in favor before I can see how bad things are there now. About the
Protesters!! You think if we could find replays of the 60 & 70ies of
protesters lighting themselves on fire these Idoits my think that's a good
way to protest?

JCJ · 03-21-2003, 02:14 PM

Protest are fine and dandy but this was not what was going on here.Nothing but a bunch of spoiled brats with way too much time on there hands.I would like to see them handle these kind of protest the way they did in the 60's bring out the horses and play polo with them.Maybe they should bring back the draft and then these idiot's would actually have something to protest that affects them,rather than crying about something that will have no affect on their Starbuck,croissant, cell phone,BMW or Volvo lives.LOL

Monkeysiv · 03-21-2003, 03:37 PM

[img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img] JCJ.

Worm-N-ator · 03-21-2003, 05:11 PM

Just seen where the protesters are burning flags in portland. I think instead of arresting the protesters, they should ALL be taken to the airport, stuffed into planes and ship there ****** A**** to Iraq!!!!!!!!!

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Kruechief · 03-21-2003, 05:45 PM

Let's all support the liberal cause; go smoke a joint, insult the president and our American military, smash in some windows at Micky D's, burn a flag, bludgeon a cop, cause major public havoc and claim it is all in the interest of peace.

Wahoo!!

Idiots [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img]

Krue

The Fishing Geek · 03-21-2003, 06:11 PM

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Originally posted by kruechief:
Let's all support the liberal cause; go smoke a joint, insult the president and our American military, smash in some windows at Micky D's, burn a flag, bludgeon a cop, cause major public havoc and claim it is all in the interest of peace.

Wahoo!!

Idiots [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img]

Krue

I refer to my previous comment about their being extreme idiots on both sides of the cause. Please refrain from labelling like you did above.

Worm-N-ator · 03-21-2003, 06:32 PM

Makes sense now, your one of them! Save your fingers, if it was directed at me.

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The Fishing Geek · 03-21-2003, 06:46 PM

One of who? I was simply telling Kruechief that there are overzealous people on both sides of the political spectrum, and by saying that the vandalistic actions of the idiots yesterday are the "liberal cause", it is painting with far too broad of a paint brush.

pearl · 03-21-2003, 08:46 PM

I'm passing this along because after watching the poor excuse for U.S citizens in downtown PDX on T.V. Thursday night I was mad enough to spit rocks.
The men and women of the United States military have given their lives for my freedom. I am not here tonight because Sheryl Crowe, The Dixie Chicks, Rosie O'Donnell, Martin Sheen, George Clooney, Jane Fonda or Phil Donahue, sacrificed their lives for me.
If my memory serves me correctly, it was not movie stars, musicians or peace protesters, but the United States Military who fought on the shores of Iwo Jima, the jungles of Vietnam, and the beaches of Normandy. Tonight, I say we should support the President of the United States and the U.S. Military and tell the liberal, tree-hugging, Birkenstock-wearing, hippy, tie-dyed liberals to go make their movies and music and basiclly slack off and whine somewhere else. I am willing to wager that 90% of last nights protesters don't hold a job and have nothing better to do then to cause grief for the rest of the general public. After all, if they lived in Iraq, they wouldn't be allowed the freedom of speech they're being given here today. Ironically, they would be put to death at the hands of Sadam Hussein or Osama Bin Laden. I want to know how the very people who are against war because of the loss of life, can possibly be the same people who are for abortion? They are the same people who are for animal rights but against the rights of the unborn. The movie stars say they want to go to Iraq and serve as "human shields" for the Iraqis. I say let them buy a one-wayticket and go. No one likes war. I hate war! But the one thing I hate more is the fact that this country has been forced into war-innocent people have lost their lives - - and there but for the grace of God, it could have been my brother, my husband, or even worse my own son. On December 7, 1941, there are no records of movie stars treading the blazing waters of Pearl Harbor. On September 11, 2001; there are no photos of movie stars standing as "human shields" against the debris and falling bodies ascending from the World Trade Center. There were only policemen and firemen - -underpaid civil servants who gave their all with nothing expected in return. When the USS Cole was bombed, there were no movie stars guarding the ship - - where were the human shields then? If America's movie stars want to be human shields, let them shield the gang-ridden streets of Los Angeles, or New York City, let them shield the lives of the children of North Birmingham whose mothers lay themdown to sleep on the floor each night to shelter them from stray bullets. If they want to be human shields, I say let them shield the men and women of honesty and integrity that epitomizes courage and embody the spirit of freedom by wearing the proud uniforms of the United StatesMilitary. Those are the people who have earned and deserve shielding! Throughout the course of history, this country has remained free, not because of movie stars and liberal activists, but because of brave men and women who hated war too. However, they lay down their lives so that we all may live in freedom. After all - "What greater love hath no man, that he lay down his life for his friend," or in this case a country. We should give our military honor and acknowledgement and not let their lives be in vain. If you want to see true human shields, walk through Arlington Cemetery. There lie human shields, heroes, and the BRAVE Americans who didn't get on television and talk about being a human shield - they were human shields. I thank God tonight for freedom - - those who bought and paid for it with their lives in the past - - those who will protect it in the present and defend it in the future. America has remained silent too long! God-fearing people have remained silent too long! We must lift our voices united in a humble prayer to God for guidance and the strength and courage to sustain us throughout whatever the future may hold. After the tragic events of Sept. 11th, my then eleven -year-old son said terrorism is a war against them and us and if you're not one of us, then you're one of them. So in closing tonight, let us be of one accord, let us stand proud, and let us be the human shields of prayer, encouragement and support for the President, our troops and their families and our country. May God bless America, the land of the free, the home of the brave and the greatest country on the face of this earth

Birght Fish, Tight Lines and GOD BLESS AMERICA !

Boedy · 03-22-2003, 08:59 AM

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Originally posted by The Fishing Geek:
One of who? I was simply telling Kruechief that there are overzealous people on both sides of the political spectrum, and by saying that the vandalistic actions of the idiots yesterday are the "liberal cause", it is painting with far too broad of a paint brush.

Funny I didn�t see any of the support our troop�s people wearing bandanas and smashing windows. Is it just me or does the type of problems we all saw Thursday and Friday only happen during leftists protest? Don�t see many conservatives cause this type of problem why do you think that is?

I look at most of the protesters as spoiled children that are used to getting their way by just throwing a temper tantrum. They think that if the break enough stuff and **** enough people off they will get their way. They can�t seem to understand that it is majority rule not the noisiest / rudest rule. I hope they continue to act like fools on national TV so the country gets a good look at the leftists that are running and or are the future of the Democratic Party. If this is what we can expect from the left in the future then the Republicans should enjoy a long tenure as the head of Government in this country.
:grin:

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RvW · 03-22-2003, 09:40 AM

Though I am against the war...I am made to feel as though I support the behavior of protesters.

Though I am against the war, I am accused of being unpatriotic.

Though I am against the war, I am viewed as being unsupportive to American troops.

Though I am against the war, it is assumed that I am willing to allow Saddam, and terrorist around the globe a little more tollerance than anyone who supports the war...

What result does the support of troops by the pro-war crowd have?

16 americans and 8 brits are dead.

I support the troops by INSISTING the efforts of intelligence, diplomacy, and peace be exhausted in every way including the ultimatum placed on the superpowers rather than dictators such as Hussein, to have no choice but to fight.

I am against the war in Iraq because not only was there no effort to save the Iraqi people from Saddams reign of terror since the first time we killed them ourselves. In my opinion there was not nearly enough effort given to preventing the American and British deaths that have occurred in this campaign already.

There should be NO interest in OIL!!! and there should be no OPEC promises to maintain supplies during the war...we are not there for OIL!!!

We are there killing, and bombing with "shock and awe" to insure freedom for Iraqis...to HELL with Saddam, and to HELL with the oil and money he controls.

Our Gov thinks lives are a renewable resource...and this is so very clear by sending lives to die for a cause that only 35 other countries believe is worthy of those lives lost.

War pigs by black Sabbath. listen to it.

Its a dark song...but its so true.

Bush has pushed young men and women into the path of bullets. He is a murderer.

Support our troops... BRING THEM HOME TO THE US...WHERE THERE IS NO WAR!!

The cost of all the war would finance the evacuation of innocent civilians in Iraq...get 'em out, and then nuke the rest. Or is that unfair?

Thou salt not kill

If you don�t believe this, I�m not interested in debating the bible with you...if you do believe it and support the war which does kill...I think we need to have a discussion on hypocrisy.

Dont ever assume a war protester doesnt support the troops...I/we, want them ALIVE and preventing/discouraging a war which could lead to thier death is the absolute BEST way to support them if you ask me.

While the "shock and awe" camplaign continues, I am in "awe" and "shock" at the foolish notion that this countrys leaders would have found an INTELLIGENT way to handle Saddam given the YEARS weve had to do so.

Just thought I would get that off my chest.

GutshotApe · 03-22-2003, 09:51 AM

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Originally posted by cirrhosis-of-the-river:
Support our troops... BRING THEM HOME TO THE US...WHERE THERE IS NO WAR!!

Oh, but there is war here. Remember 9/11? Do you really think "they" won't try again? 3,000 dead Americans is trivial compared to what the terrorists would like to do to us....and perhaps already would have if not for the steps taken to date by the Bush admin.

I, like most people, "oppose war"....but we have run out of diplomatic solutions....by taking the war to Iraq...and going after the Hussein regime (and not the Iraqi people)....we are preventing more war from coming to us here at home.

RvW · 03-22-2003, 10:19 AM

Who are "they"?

Are "they" in Iraq? How do you know?

I thought "they" died in the planes they crashed?

Isnt the US there for Iraqi liberation? No wait, we're there to disarm Saddam right...err, or was it in retaliation for 911? Or is it the OIL?

Uhh, does anyone have a straight answer?

There is no war here. There was a terrorist attack.

Kruechief · 03-22-2003, 01:55 PM

Generals gathered in their masses,
just like witches at black masses.
Evil minds that plot destruction,
sorcerers of death's construction.
In the fields the bodies burning,
as the war machine keeps turning.
Death and hatred to mankind,
poisoning their brainwashed minds.
Oh lord, yeah!

Politicians hide themselves away.
They only started the war.
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor, yeah.

Time will tell on their power minds,
making war just for fun.
Treating people just like pawns in chess,
wait till their judgement day comes, yeah.

Now in darkness world stops turning,
ashes where the bodies burning.
No more War Pigs have the power,
Hand of God has struck the hour.
Day of judgement, God is calling,
on their knees the war pigs crawling.
Begging mercies for their sins,
Satan, laughing, spreads his wings.
Oh lord, yeah!
--Black Sabbath, War Pigs

Saddam is the pig and he is about to face the wrath of Allah for his crimes!!

Krue

GutshotApe · 03-22-2003, 02:06 PM

I heard it on NPR so it must be true:

At a "Support the Troops (and the gov't.)" rally today in the eastern US one guy had a sign that read:

"Daschle For President - of France"

I'd vote for that!

Monkeysiv · 03-22-2003, 02:07 PM

Great song Krue .. thanks !!

I LOVE IT !!!!

Kruechief · 03-22-2003, 02:29 PM

No Problem Monkeysiv!

My first concert at a very impressionable age was Black Sabbath and Blue Oyster Cult!

Man, it was an uphill climb from there!

Some great lyrics from a bunch of really whacked out people.

Krue

The Fishing Geek · 03-22-2003, 03:35 PM

Boedy:

Saying that the trashing of businesses only happens during "leftist" rallies is like saying that it's always a conservative who kills doctors who administer abortions. Even though the statement is true, doesn't mean that anything more than a minute percentage of those on that side of the fence agree with that behavior.

Again, there are extremists on both sides, and their actions should not be considered accurate representations of the group as a whole.

Snapset · 03-22-2003, 06:23 PM

When Abortion opponents shoot doctors, obstruct entrances to clinics, even if they picket on the wrong side of the street, they are thrown in jail, they are sued and their assets and the assets of the orginizations are confiscated.

When Anti-War thugs vandalize property, assault people, etc., it is my perception that the law does not respond in kind.

Kruechief · 03-22-2003, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Violent anti-war protestors are like fur-clad PETA members.

I love this one and the one about "going hunting with an accordian."

Those two are my two new favorite sayings. :smile:

Krue

The Fishing Geek · 03-22-2003, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Snapset:
When Abortion opponents shoot doctors, obstruct entrances to clinics, even if they picket on the wrong side of the street, they are thrown in jail, they are sued and their assets and the assets of the orginizations are confiscated.

When Anti-War thugs vandalize property, assault people, etc., it is my perception that the law does not respond in kind.

Vandals are arrested when they are identified, as are those who assault others. I'm not sure where the problem is here.