Opening Life in General back up.

[Jennie@ifish]

I am opening life in general so that we may have a conversation about ideas in which we can leave this board up.

I have received e mails that we should not allow political discussions here.

Here is one of them, slightly edited to protect the innocent:

When you first started LIG I thought it
was a great idea, and my vision was that it would be a place to discuss
things like family activities, yardwork Q & A's, hiking, exercising, camping
ideas, home remodeling, car selection and maintenance questions, and other
constructive and non-argumentative topics. I think a lot more people who
would use LIG if it weren't so political.

But you've asked the million dollar question about rules. It's going to be
tough, because there are some strong headed people with nothing better to do
than dispute any rules you try to impose.
---

So, with that first opinion stated, how can we keep LIG?

If we can't do it without tons of problems, I will refer all heated political debates to:
The Straight Dope page, which specializes in these types of posts. Ifish, simply, does not. If I allow these kinds of threads to degenerate, as they have in the past, I am afraid it will drive people away from ifish.

I had a lot of work to do today, and most of the mods aren't around. I simply could not do my work getting ready for the server move, and try and settle this, so my best option was to close it, so that I could concentrate on the task at hand.

I had a little shorter fuse than I normally do, due to this work. I am done for today, so I will go open this forum now. I will also try to be as fair as I can.

Thumper brought up a good point. Should we allow people to bash the President? It seems a little more removed to me than bashing members, but still a valid complaint. It made me think about it, and I don't know how to feel about it. I don't personally like to see it, but this isn't about personal feelings.

What is fair to all people's opinions and how can we manage our strong feelings at such an intense time, without offending our fellow fishermen?

And lastly, apologies to anyone I might have singled out. I appreciate your patience with me, too.

Jen

[speyfly]

Here is a better direct link to the Great Debate portion of the Straight Dope which should load a little quicker. This is a very busy BB with folks from all around the world so have fun. OH, I think that there will be some that will not be able to take the heat on this board since there are many that are very well read and very informed but give it a try anyway if you dare.
CLICH HERE

[ 03-16-2003, 05:12 PM: Message edited by: speyfly ]

[Thumper]

Jennie --- Of course this is your site, and you make the rules. But if you have a place called "Life In General" I don't think you can avoid the national and international debate that consumes our very lives. Without that subject, it isn't life. All I hope is that everyone can be treated equally.

You set the rules, and those of us who choose to be on Ifish will have to obey them.

[ 03-16-2003, 05:41 PM: Message edited by: Thumper ]

[speyfly]

I gave the same link as Jenn so here is the link to the main Straight Dope forum. Hope to debate you guys there on the Great Debates BB. HERE

[Jennie@ifish]

International politics has very little to do with my life.

It wasn't my idea, nor my passion to have a political board, and I am not cut out to moderate one.

I have very little interest (if any) in having one, or moderating one. Without interest and caring, by the owner, I feel it is doomed to fail, unless there are rules.

I am asking you, as users who want this board, to set and enforce the rules. Without rules, I will close it down.

Jen

[ 03-16-2003, 05:52 PM: Message edited by: Jennie@ifish ]

[Born to Fish]

Jenny, for what it's worth, I come to Ifish for the fishing conversations and advice. It wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit to see the site limited to that, the classified adds, and the sponsors' sites.

It sounds like there are other chat boards available for political and whatever other conversations folks might want. My vote is that you keep the workload for yourself and the mod's at a reasonable and acceptable level...whatever that takes.

[speyfly]

Personally Jenn, I found the political discussions very interesting and interactive. I have fished all of my life and guided for the last 20+ years and have grown tired of many of the fishing BB's I have frequented. When you have been part of a fishing BB for a year or so you see the same old topics and the same question asked over and over. Now when it comes to politics, our government is always willing to furnish us with lots of new material to ponder and discuss especially since we have had george in the White House :grin: . Just a little joke folks. Anyway that is where I am at and this does not mean that I will quite coming to ifish, just probably not as often.

[Cool Texan]

I like the idea of NO POLITICS on the board. Its apparent that the majority of such threads quickly diminish into personal attacks and insults.

[Pete]

I'd really prefer if Ifish Life in General were limited to OUR lives and OUR experiences. I'd like to see it stick to the things that we experience directly that aren't fishing related enough to go on the main discussion board; my broken leg, my kid's birthday, my job search, my alternator ... key word "MY"! I really don't care to read about anyone's opinion about international politics, geopolitical strife, U.S. foreign policy or anything that is outside our direct experience. Price of gas, OK. Source of petroleum that becomes gas, no. Direct experiences of our lives - that's the line in the sand I'd suggest. What you see on TV and read in the newspaper is not a direct experience. What you hear on the radio is not direct experience. If we could stick to that, this forum will truly be "Life in General"; our lives, our experiences and only that. I do care about the personal events of the people I've met through this forum and would like to celebrate their successes and achievements, as well as provide consolation when things don't go smoothly. just my 2 cents

[1pump]

Sigh.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems as if there were a few people taking these discussions just a little too seriously. I'm not just talking about the name-callers and insult-hurlers, but the whistle-blowers as well.
I've only been an active member of ifish for a year. I have over 600 posts, more than others, fewer than some. And I've read many, many more than that, a few of which I found offensive.
But I've never alerted a moderator to a post by using the "whistle" feature. Haven't even been tempted. Jen isn't getting rich off this board, and she has her hands full with legitimate issues regarding the operation of this site. If I was her, I wouldn't waste any time baby-sitting petty squabbles. Apparently she won't waste any more time either.
Good for her. [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]
I like the LIG board, and I hope we can find a way to make it stay.

[Cool Texan]

What if there were a PIG (politics in general) board, with a HUGE disclaimer that it is at your own discretion to go there, etc. Just an idea. I'd hate to see LIG go away.

[The Fishing Geek]

You've got mail, Jennie

[Snapset]

When a couple folks get too hot, ban them from the board until they send in a picture of both of them fishing together.

[ultralight]

Originally posted by Snapset:
When a couple folks get too hot, ban them from the board until they send in a picture of both of them fishing together.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">[img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img] like it [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

[WheresMyBobber]

I applaud Jennie for trying to make some changes to the Life in General board. [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

I also agree with Pete 100%. This board has the potential to be a positive place where we can have meaningful exchanges like the other boards. I would hate to lose Life in General because of a few people's constant desire to debate politics. there's plenty of other places to do that.

What are the 2 topics most likely to create arguments and strife in any group setting/discussion? Politics and religion of course! If we recognize that and steer clear of those topics on this board, it will become an asset to ifish rather than an eyesore.

I vote to follow Pete's lead and keep the focus of this board pointed towards our OWN lives and experiences. Keep the politics to a bare minimum, and the quality and participation on this board will improve immensly.

[Monkeysiv]

close LIG or ban politics all together.

that's my 2 cents n a nutshell ...

[rhansme]

Jen,

I love your web site very much and I read the topics each day. I do not post often but choose to view and appreciate the fine information and pictures all of us present from time to time. However I would like to see at least one space on your web site where we can post items of interest for others to view or choose to NOT view. This site has grown enormously over the past few years and many of us have come to know each other as friends and fisherpeople. A place to exchange ideas and views other than fishing is a wonderful thing. It is up to those of us that post to be respectful, listen to an opposite view and reply in a manner befitting to membership of Ifish. I have seen many, many, many posts over the past that have gotten out of hand and that is not a good thing. I would like to see this section of Ifish remain as is and let open and honest discussions be the rule. Your the boss and I respect your decision.

Ray Hansmeier
rhansme

[Kruechief]

When a couple folks get too hot, ban them from the board until they send in a picture of both of them fishing together.

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Krue

But they both have to be breathing!

[ 03-16-2003, 08:33 PM: Message edited by: kruechief ]

[Boedy]

This is not the main forum and I think LIG keeps alot of stuff off the main board. You have to make a choice to come and read and or post in LIG and I don’t see how it affects the Ifish community since no one has to come into LIG and participate in the topics unless they want to. You don’t even have to read political post when you come to LIG if you dont enjoy the banter.

I just don’t see how it affects the main community forum at all if everyone has the choice to join in or to stay out all together. Granted things get heated at times but the board is pretty good at policing itself. And all in all I don’t think things ever get to out of hand and seldom to the point where someone needs to step in.

I will be fishing with a lot of the people on this board next week during the much anticipated S.P.F or Springer Political Flotilla and I look forward to being in the same boat with two people that I rarely see eye to eye with on this board but I still respect their opinions and know we will have a great time and some great conversations not to mention catch the most fish.

I think it just shows that this board while intense at times is just a way for people to express their feelings and personal attacks aside I dont see anything wrong with a heated debate as long as it is civil and does no real harm.

If a post gets under your skin the easiest thing to do it just not read it after all you are your own best moderator (no offence to Pete or Crabbait) and I wish more would take that into account before complaining.

I will try and refrain from any more Tree hugger / tie-dye coalition comments but it just won’t be the same for me

[ 03-16-2003, 08:44 PM: Message edited by: Boedy ]

[The Fishing Geek]

Just a reminder Boedy that when we told you to bring the nets that we weren't talking about anything that you'd normally put a fish into... :grin:

[HOGTIDE]

Hey Jennie...whatever fits you. It's kinda recreationally fun to bat the political ball around, but if it's not in the spirit you intended for your board, that's OK, too!

You set the perameters...we'll play the game.

[Gus Orviston]

Uh, wasn't measure 28 a political discussion, isn't funding the hatcheries a political discussion, we have letters and phone calls to our congress on a regular basis, soooooo what's the difference.

It seems all the boards are going through their growing pains as this one has in the last 6 months, and it will probably continue to get worse before it gets better. I would vote to leave the discussions open to whatever, but with ZERO tolerance response earning a 1 week suspension and 2nd violation gets you the boot!

gus

[ 03-16-2003, 09:13 PM: Message edited by: Gus Orviston ]

[STGRule]

This, I will have to think about for a little while. I guess I am most disappointed with the whining and tattle-tailing. I'll think about it and post later.

[lost_sailor]

I want to tell you about my doggy. She's a nice yellow doggy, she's warm and furry.

She likes to go swimming!

My doggy is so happy to see me when I come home. It's nice to have a doggy.

[STGRule]

L_S: let's push a little more salt into the wound. It feels better and is sure to heal into a scar. If your feelings are hurt, then talk about it without lowering the rest of us.

[ 03-16-2003, 09:57 PM: Message edited by: STGRule ]

[lost_sailor]

What?

What MAY I say ?

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[Snapset]

I feel that this board would be more useful if the basic rule was this: Every letter should stand on its own. Meaning that if all the other letters were removed, then someone reading your letter would understand your point. That might mean I would have to start adding quotes as I respond to other letters. The extra time required to think out a coherent message would also restrain me from firing off quick responses that are not as witty at noon as they seemed at 4 in the morning.

[1pump]

The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced that the problem is not what was said on the board, but some people crying to the mods about it, thereby forcing the mods to take action even if it wasn't really warranted?
Moderators: Is this correct?

[Straydog]

I am leaning towards controlling the complainers more and the board discussion less.

In a circumstance such as this where there is a clear choice to read or not to read, I find the complainers much like the person that complains that their neighbors run around the house naked...... "You can only see them with binoculars by by golly someone better put a stop to it!"

I also think many take themselves and this forum way too seriously. I include myself in this category at times as well. And, I question the consistancy of moderation or questioning of posts too. There is one going on the ifish community board where one person is called repulsive and told people would like to use him for crab bait. Seems a bit disrepectful to me but I see no reference to cleaning it up or closing it. Maybe people arent so quick to whine about the comments over there?? :whazzup:

[ 03-16-2003, 10:59 PM: Message edited by: Straydog ]

[sinker]

I've come to the conclusion that I don't argue about war, politics, gun control or religion. I'm not gonna change your mind and you're not gonna change mine. So what is there to discuss.

I'm an atheist and about a year ago my highly religious neighbor came over buggin me to go to church with him. I told him he's a heck of a nice guy, we both like each other, don't go there.......he kept pushing so I told him my views and let him know he wasn't gonna get anywhere. He hasn't spoken to me since. Too bad too, he was a really nice guy. I have no problem with his views or how he lives his life, apperently he doesn't feel the same.

I didn't post this to try and stir a religios issue up. Trying to make a point about why certain things should be left alone.

Now does anyone know any good walks/hikes on the north coast?

[lost_sailor]

sinker:

(at the risk of getting locked out again,)
check out Tillamook Head from Ecola State Park. You can walk clear to Seaside if you want. At the top there is some sort of military bunker thing, I think it was maybe a radar station in WW2? We used to camp out in it.

Good views from the trail, then there is an old road that follows a creek back down to the park. You might be able to find a cutthroat or two in there.

[Fish-n-Fever]

I would vote to leave the discussions open to whatever, but with ZERO tolerance response earning a 1 week suspension and 2nd violation gets you the boot!

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Well Said...
There will always have to be rules in any community but
once censorship of this nature begins you no longer have a community you have a congregation.
This IS the real world where people of all different beliefs and concerns live. All of this seems to stem from a more personal point than a "what's better for this site" point. This is for all those whistle blowers, If you don't like the thread DON'T READ it! It seems there are people just haunting these pages searching and needing something to turn in to the mods. Why?
Communities are made up of many types of people, Church is a place for people of like minds to gather (even there they are never all alike) and even those church folks go out into the world because they have to if they want to partake of the benefits of it but they don't stop in at every T-n-A club or tavern just so they can complain to the community leaders about them, they stay OUT of them.
I know the powers that be have already made up their mind on how this is going down but hopefully they can look at these responses and realize changing a well functioning successful BB for the sake of a few that have NO valid point anyway, (don't like it don't read it) will be a mistake. Ask your self this, Do I want a community or a sunday school? The world is far from perfect and neither are any of us.

Ron

[Jennie@ifish]

All of your freedom of speech posts are nice, but the fact is, that many people I hear from think that this forum is destroying the community that we built on our shared love of fishing.
I have received numerous letters to this effect. I guess it was a topic of complaint at a recent ifish gathering, and much was discussed about how it taints the sites otherwise friendly banter attitude, and has carried over to the other boards.
No, it's not the complainers, or whiners that are ruining it. It's the people that take things too seriously, and just because they don't buy someone elses viewpoint, they feel a need to belittle them, somehow. This is not OK.

I received these guidelines, and although they are fairly the same as what was, here they are in a different form that I agree with! :
----
The iFish "Life in General" forums (hereforth known as "LIG") are a place where our
members can discuss a variety of topics that aren't directly related to fishing.
From computer support to sports, from humor to politics, and pretty much everything
else in between, the "LIG" forum has topics which are as varied as the people who
are interested in them.

While the majority of the topics stay on the up-and-up, there are some topics which,
by nature, are more likely to become emotionally-charged for those who participate
in them. In order for the management of iFish to be able to maintain the quality of
content that our visitors expect from us, we have certain rules that we expect all
who visit the "LIG" forums to adhere to:

- There will be no profanity used in any of the threads, which includes the creative
use of alternate characters to try and get by the profanity filters
- Sexually suggestive posts are not welcome here, or any other part of iFish
- Racially-insensitive posts are not welcome here, either
- If the topic does not interest you, or if you feel that the topic is one that you
cannot handle emotionally, we recommend that you skip clicking on the topic itself
- If you do choose to click on one of the more emotionally-charged topics, you agree
that you are mature enough to be able to debate the topic, and not resort to
personal attacks or insults.

If you are found breaking any of these basic rules, your use of the iFish forums
(not just "LIG") may be suspended, if not completely terminated. It is up to the
volunteer moderators, or the overworked owner, of iFish as to what punishment will
be handed down and for what reasons. While we appreciate the use of the Moderator
Alert feature, deliberate misuse of the option could lead to suspension as well.

"LIG" is a free service to the members of iFish. If they become more work that fun
for the owner and moderators, it will be removed.
-----

I will gladly credit the owner of these sensible and appreciated rules, with his/her permission.

:smile:

I like them. Are they agreeable?

Jen

[MasterCaster]

I think it has pretty much all been said already so Ill just point out a few quotes that sum up my opinion on this.

1pump.....

Sigh.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems as if there were a few people taking these discussions just a little too seriously. I'm not just talking about the name-callers and insult-hurlers, but the whistle-blowers as well.

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Boedy........

If a post gets under your skin the easiest thing to do it just not read it after all you are your own best moderator (no offence to Pete or Crabbait) and I wish more would take that into account before complaining.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">[img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

Gus Orviston......

Uh, wasn't measure 28 a political discussion, isn't funding the hatcheries a political discussion, we have letters and phone calls to our congress on a regular basis, soooooo what's the difference

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Politics ARE in everyday life. [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

STGRule......

This, I will have to think about for a little while. I guess I am most disappointed with the whining and tattle-tailing. I'll think about it and post later.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">If more people would do just that and actually take the time and think things through before they spout off or "blow the whistle" it would solve alot of these "problems" before they ever got started.

This is a LIFE IN GENERAL forum correct? To me that pretty much says it all. We all wish we lived in a more peacful world but thats just not the case.

If you want a forum to be more peacful then maybe a different name is in order other than LIFE IN GENERAL.

Just my .02

Jon :smile: :grin: :smile:

[MasterCaster]

I was typing my last post when you posted Jennie but that all looks pretty goods to me.

Jon :smile: :grin: :smile:

[Thumper]

Looks good to me.

[STGRule]

Jen: It sounds good to me.

[Fish-n-Fever]

It looks great to me also.
I really enjoy LIG and would hate to lose it off ifish. These rules look good and very enforceable in a fair manner.
Thanks for not closing a great place to discuss and or debate important issues, LIG.

Ron

[Fshklr]

Sounds great Jen. I do not participate often in LIG because of the political direction it seemed to be taking. Would love to get back to a me, mine, yours and ours board and less politically heated topics. :grin:

[ 03-17-2003, 03:51 PM: Message edited by: FSHKLR ]

[skein]

Fishing - that's why we're here.

You have graciously added a forum for us hunters as well, but LIG has degenerated into something similar to TV - a lot of noise and fireworks leaving us with the feeling that "there's nothing worth watching anymore."

LIG can slip beneath the waves. There is very little on it that is worth the trouble for you and those who moderate and/or participate. I'll bet we don't lose 10 ifishers because of its passing.

Skein

[Jennie@ifish]

OK, so the deal is, we try it... again.

Keep politics to a minimum. Keep insults off the board.

Hatchery politics, etc, go on the main board. That is fishing. That's what I live for!
There is a fine line between fishing politics and enviromental politics. We will decide on a case by case basis.

Some of you don't seem to understand the point of this problem.

The problem is that this is a fishing web site with a new forum, called Life in General. I'm not going to change the name of it, to allow for more trouble, I'll just do away with it, if it's a pain. It's just not what in my vision for ifish to have daily political battles. I know that some of you enjoy it, so I'm giving it another chance. If it were up to me, it'd be gone. POOF!

Congrats to The Fishing Geek, who also wrote the above rules. He will be one of your new moderators! :smile:

:smile:

Jen

[lost_sailor]

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[Jennie@ifish]

Lost sailor, you worship strange things.

Jen

[lost_sailor]

can we get a "biting your tongue" icon ?

:smile: [img]graemlins/hearton.gif[/img] :smile:

[garyk]

The rules look great to me. You can have a heated debate and still keep it respectful.

I don't know how you're going to keep 'politics to a minimum' though, at a time when we're on the verge of world-wide war.

Most everything about our lives - from the value of our retirement accounts, to the price of gas, or the money available to fund education and healthcare - is tied to national and international events.

A lot of what I've read here is simply not available in the mass media and I'm grateful to Jen that we have a place like this to share ideas.

[The Fishing Geek]

Originally posted by lost_sailor:
can we get a "biting your tongue" icon ?

:smile: [img]graemlins/hearton.gif[/img] :smile:

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">[img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img] There's the tongue.

[lost_sailor]

That definitely conveys a different message!

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[Jennie@ifish]

Rule number 13,540,589


THERE WILL BE NO TALK OF WAR!!!!


:smile:


OK? Agreed?

It's totally NFR AND NLIGR!!!!!!

There is no such thing as war.
There is no such thing as war.
There is no such thing as war.
:depressed:
I dunna like war.
And lost sailor... argh... never mind...
I'll bite my tongue if you bite yours.
You go first... OK now, bite down real hard...


Jen

[ 03-17-2003, 08:32 PM: Message edited by: Jennie@ifish ]

[Smj]

Well Well, Here we go again with the "LIG is offending me so no one else should have it to read" WHINERS.

Sorry I missed this thread yesterday morning but I didn't have time to look at the board too closely as I was going fishing.
My opinion: Close it! That way I'll have some extra time every day to do something besides sit here and read LIG!

Jennie, If you would close LIG because you personaly can't/don't want to deal with the topics/behavior there then thats one thing, do what you gotta do. If your going to close it because of the whiners I think that would be a shame.

Smj

[Monkeysiv]

[img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img] SMJ.

enough said.

[Deepslayer]

I don't agree with much that you post FishingGeek, but I find your rules rather refreshing. I almost wish we would have closed the board though. I don't even have time to read all the other boards. :shocked: :grin:

[1pump]

Ya know, there's a couple of other boards on ifish that don't appeal to me. It's not that I find them offensive or inflammatory, or that they go against the spirit of The Community. It's just for my purposes, they're a waste of time. Other people peruse them with regularity, and that's fine. How do I deal with this? Simple:
I DON'T READ THEM!! I DON'T POST ON THEM EITHER!!

Whew. Take deep breaths.....OK.
Occasionally I will poke my nose in one of them to look around and see who's who and what's what. But I don't complain about them or go calling for their removal. Ifish can not be all things to all people, and I'm sure it was never intended to be.

OK, rant over. Soapbox secured, captain.

BTW, good rules, and a round of applause for The Geek's appointment as overseer of this asylum. [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

[Schimoozie]

Originally posted by Jennie@ifish:
OK, so the deal is, we try it... again.

Keep politics to a minimum. Keep insults off the board.

Hatchery politics, etc, go on the main board. That is fishing. That's what I live for!
There is a fine line between fishing politics and enviromental politics. We will decide on a case by case basis.

Some of you don't seem to understand the point of this problem.

The problem is that this is a fishing web site with a new forum, called Life in General. I'm not going to change the name of it, to allow for more trouble, I'll just do away with it, if it's a pain. It's just not what in my vision for ifish to have daily political battles. I know that some of you enjoy it, so I'm giving it another chance. If it were up to me, it'd be gone. POOF!

Congrats to The Fishing Geek, who also wrote the above rules. He will be one of your new moderators! :smile:

:smile:

Jen

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">It’s so hard to imagine how much effort you must put into keep the ifish.net afloat. After all, this nifty site must generate a quite a nice income for you and your family to live off it. With all the advertisements from big and small companies desecrating the front and back pages of ifish, we’re probably talking about a good six figure income? Yet you whine and moan about people who post in classifieds to pay a king’s ransom for trying to sell a fishing rod or a rod holder. Aren’t you getting a little too greedy? Having already collected thousands of dollars by demanding money from the users, your thirst for indulgence is never satisfied. You just don’t want any political controversy here, because what you want is a pain-free cash cow for you to get fat without doing any work.

By the way, don’t you think The Fishing Geek is too ugly to be a moderator? Or do like looking people congregate together?

[Jennie@ifish]

Too funny!!!

You want to see my tax returns?
By the way, since there are such people alive on earth as the above, I will supply freely, all tax returns to anyone who questions how much I make on ifish, and the costs to run it.
:smile:

Jen

[ 03-18-2003, 05:17 PM: Message edited by: Jennie@ifish ]

[Jennie@ifish]

Usually the mods sweep these little nasty remnants of past banned members from the board, but we thought we would give this one a chance to commit suicide on their own. :smile:

Please don't delete it.
It's kind of pitiful, and funny, in it's own way.

Jen

[The Fishing Geek]

Thank you, Schimoozie, for bringing to light a very real situation here at iFish. As you have stated, the owner and moderators here at iFish make obscene amounts of money simply by opening the doors and letting the trucks bring it in by the bagful. The sponsors of iFish regularly spend mill...no....BILLIONS of dollars every year to make sure that their ads are the ones that you, the readers of iFish, see before you. And they, too, open their e-doors and can barely keep up with all of the money that comes pouring in from loyal iFish readers such as you.

The biggest reason why I became a moderator here at iFish, after an unfortunate accident made me no longer able to work the fashion runways of New York, Paris, and Talladega, is the rediculous amounts of money. Now all I have to do is make sure that the locals play nice with one another, and occasionally pick apart valueless trolls to the delight of Miss Jennie. I've seen the paycheck stubs of Pete, Crabbait, and the rest of the iFish Mod Squad, and I'm looking forward to pulling that 29' 7" Special Action Vessel III (SAV III) from iFish Sponsor USIA with my brand new Ford F550 from iFish sponsor Doherty Ford. Wow, all those sponsor links should help pay for the front-mounted fully-automatic hogline-clearers in the SAV3.

My first commission check for ridiculing trolls like Schimoozie is going to be HUGE, I'm sure.

[crabbait]

Hey Geek, ix-nay on the oney-may! The "little perks" are supposed to be secret. (Did you hear I just got a new truck to tow the new boat? Thanks Jen!) :shocked:

[STGRule]

Oh, you people that make soooo much more money than the rest of us just have to rub it in all the time don't you? Always thinking your better than trolls. :shocked: Always telling us what to do and how to think. Insisting we conduct ourselves like adults, not letting us dog-pile on the unfortunate, reminding us all the time to be polite, putting together fund raisers for the less fortunate, letting us know how and when to help out our resources. Just generally in our lives all the time. I bet you all just laugh all the way to the bank.

[Snapset]

Guess who's gonna be voting Republican......

[Deepslayer]

I like your choice of boat and rig Geek! How many weeks of moderating does it take to pay for them? [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img] :grin: