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Old 03-08-2003, 06:32 PM   #1
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Two weeks before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, Iraqi President Saddam Hussein reportedly put his military on its highest state of alert since the 1991 Gulf War. According to the London-based Sunday Telegraph, the Iraqi leader even took the unusual step of moving his two wives, Sajida and Samira, from Baghdad to an undisclosed location in the family‘s hometown of Tikrit, 100 miles to the north (see “Army alert by Saddam points to Iraqi role,” The Sunday Telegraph, London, Sept. 23, 2001.)

Saddam‘s precautions were hardly unwarranted. A growing body of circumstantial evidence indicates that Iraq may have participated in plotting the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks in the United States.
The most striking evidence linking Baghdad to the perpetrators of the Sept. 11 attacks is that the presumed ringleader of the suspected hijackers, Mohamed Atta, met twice with Iraqi intelligence operatives in the Czech Republic. According to senior Czech officials quoted in the Czech daily Hospodarske Noviny and The Wall Street Journal, Atta traveled from Hamburg, Germany, to Prague in June 2000 and met with Iraqi intelligence agents at Baghdad‘s embassy there, which has long been under constant surveillance by the Czech authorities.

After the meeting, he flew on to the United States, where he began flight lessons the following month. Atta had made a previous attempt to enter the country on May 30, but wasn‘t allowed to leave the airport upon arriving in Prague because he lacked a visa (see “Hijack Suspect met Iraqi Agent in June 2000,” The Wall Street Journal, Oct. 4 2000).

Atta made a third trip to Prague in April 2001 and met with Ahmad Khalil Ibrahim Samir Al-Ani, the chief of consular affairs at the Iraqi embassy there. Later that month, Ani was expelled by the Czech authorities for “engaging in activities beyond his diplomatic duties” after he was observed photographing the Radio Free Europe building in Prague, which had begun broadcasting anti-Saddam programs into Iraq in 1998.

Ani had been under surveillance at the time as a suspected intelligence operative because he “was never present at any diplomatic event,” said the Czech Foreign Ministry official who expelled him, Hynek Kmonicek, in an interview with Newsweek. “It‘s suspicious,” said Kmonicek. “Why would a diplomat with no diplomatic duties meet with a student of architecture? How is it possible they even know each other?" (see “Hard Questions About an Iraqi Connection,” Newsweek, Oct. 29, 2001).

Czech intelligence officials suspect that Ani may have provided Atta with fake passports for the 19 hijackers that carried out the Sept. 11 attacks.
During his second visit to Prague, Atta also reportedly met with Iraq‘s ambassador to Turkey, Farouk Hijazi, a former brigadier-general in the General Intelligence Directorate (GID). Hijazi, who was recalled to Baghdad prior to the Sept. 11 attacks, is known to have traveled to Kandahar, Afghanistan to meet with Osama bin Laden in December 1998 (see Newsweek, Oct. 15, 2001). Hijazi is also believed to have met with bin Laden in Sudan prior to the latter‘s expulsion from the country in 1996.

According to the London-based Iraqi National Congress (INC), Hijazi and Brigadier-General Habib Ma‘amouri reportedly developed plans for hi******* civilian airliners and crashing them into civilian targets during the mid-1990s at the GID Special Operations Branch in Salman Pak, south of Baghdad.

Two Iraqi defectors have corroborated this claim. A former Iraqi military officer, Sabah Khalifa Khodada Alami, said he was in charge of training an elite special forces team, “designed to plan and conduct operations against U.S. and British interests around the world” at Salman Pak. Using a Boeing 707 parked inside the complex, Alami‘s team practiced hi******* planes without weapons. He also said that another team of non-Iraqis underwent similar training at the same camp.
A second defector gave a similar description of the camp, and recounted meeting some of the non-Iraqi trainees, whom he described as deeply religious, when a group of five Saudis and an Egyptian helped him move his car and jump-start the engine (see The Wall Street Journal – Europe, Oct. 22, 2001).

There have also been reports that at least three high-ranking Iraqi intelligence officials have visited Pakistan over the last four months to meet with representatives of al-Qa‘ida (see The Sunday Telegraph, London, Sept. 23, 2001).
In addition to evidence linking Iraq to the Sept. 11 attacks, there are indications that Baghdad may be responsible for the anthrax attacks that have occurred over the past month in the United States. The anthrax spores that were found in Senate Majority Leader Thomas Daschle‘s office earlier this month were treated with sophisticated chemical additives that enable the spores to remain suspended in the air. They could not have been developed in a cave. In fact, according to a report in The Washington Post, only three nations are believed to be capable of producing these chemicals: the United States, Russia and Iraq (see “Additive Made Spores Deadlier,” The Washington Post, Oct. 25, 2001).
Iraq, for the record, has vehemently denied involvement in either the Sept. 11 attacks or the anthrax attacks.

As more and more evidence of Iraqi complicity in the terror attacks in the U.S. comes to light, officials in the Bush administration remain polarized into two camps. The first, headed by Secretary of State Colin Powell, has categorically rejected suggestions that Iraq may have played a role in the Sept. 11 attacks. Powell and others have declined to name Iraq as a suspected sponsor of the attacks, ostensibly because sufficient evidence of its involvement has not come to light. In fact, it appears that fear of disrupting the Bush administration‘s anti-terrorism coalition is the primary concern at the State Department.

A dissident faction within the administration, led by Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and Lewis Libby, a key aide to Vice President Dick Cheney, have advocated expanding the war on terror to include Iraq. Wolfowitz and others feel that the attacks could not have been launched without state sponsorship and believe that, in any event, Iraq constitutes a much greater long-term threat to U.S. national security than bin Laden‘s Al-Qa‘ida network. In their view, the elimination of Iraq‘s clandestine nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons programs, which have proceeded unhindered since the 1998 expulsion of UN weapons inspectors, should be a top priority in the near future.
While President Bush has clearly avoided pointing the finger at Iraq, he has nevertheless alluded repeatedly to the fact that the war on terror will not necessarily be confined to Afghanistan. Earlier this month, U.S. Ambassador to the UN John Negroponte delivered a letter to the Security Council stating that American self-defense could require “further actions with respect to other organizations and some states.”
While Iraq has been put on the back burner for the time being, military action against Baghdad has not been ruled out. It appears that the Bush administration is waiting until it has accumulated incontrovertible evidence of Iraqi involvement in terror attacks against the United States before shifting the focus of its war on terror.

In fact, it appears that some high-ranking figures in the Bush administration may be quietly investigating claims made by Laurie Mylroie that Iraq masterminded the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. The most incriminating evidence produced by Mylroie in her book, Study of Revenge: Saddam Hussein‘s Unfinished War Against America , concerns the identity of Ramzi Yousef, a Pakistani convicted of masterminding the 1993 attack. Yousef fled the United States after the attack using a passport in the name of Abdul Basit Karim, a Pakistani resident of Kuwait.
According to Mylroie, Iraqi intelligence altered files at Kuwait‘s interior ministry after the 1990 invasion in order to provide Yousef with a false identity.

Although the U.S. Justice Department has long maintained that Yousef was, in fact, Abdul Basit, earlier this month former CIA director James Woolsey reportedly flew to London to determine whether Yousef‘s fingerprints match those of Abdul Basit, who lived in Britain during the 1980s. Although CIA and State Department officials are said to have been outraged by Woolsey‘s trip, the fact that he arrived on board a U.S. government plane would appear to indicate that his investigation has been sanctioned by some in the Bush administration (see Knight-Ridder News Service, Oct., 10, 2001).

Some who advocate a major military campaign against Iraq have cautioned against putting off action into the distant future. A military campaign to oust Saddam Hussein will undoubtedly be costly and therefore necessitate strong support from the American people. According to the results of a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Oct. 25, 74 percent of Americans now believe that the United States should expand the war on terrorism by targeting Saddam Hussein and 56 percent “strongly” favor such a policy. This degree of unqualified support for war against Iraq will not last forever.

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Old 03-08-2003, 06:36 PM   #2
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Old 03-08-2003, 06:39 PM   #3
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It sure isnt CNN or the Washington post Speyfly :grin: but feel free to check the facts if you dont belive them.
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Old 03-08-2003, 06:42 PM   #4
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If you won't tell us where the info comes from then you might as well take it to the playground :grin:
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Old 03-08-2003, 06:45 PM   #5
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The whole post is full of quotes from where the information came from.

But I will try and find the site so you can call it right wing babble like I know you want to.

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Old 03-08-2003, 06:46 PM   #6
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This one is from USA Today Speyfly,

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WASHINGTON - Osama bin Laden‘s al-Qaeda network has ties to Iraqi intelligence that date to the mid-1990s, when they came together in Sudan to support Islamic insurgencies in Algeria and across the Middle East. The CIA had convincing evidence at the time that Saddam Hussein‘s regime was funneling money through bin Laden to the Armed Islamic Group (GIA) in Algeria and other terrorist organizations, according to current and former U.S. officials who reviewed intelligence at the time. The scheme was seen as an effort to mask Iraq‘s support for the groups.
It‘s unclear whether the pass-through was directed by bin Laden, then living in Sudan, or by his circle of associates, at least one of whom was identified by 1994 as having close ties to Iraq‘s intelligence service, officials say.
The previously unreported arrangement appears to be the earliest in a series of murky connections between Iraq and bin Laden. It raises new questions in the fiery debate over whether Saddam‘s regime - and its nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs - should be the next target in the war on terrorism.

If U.S. officials can establish a firm Iraq-al-Qaeda link, particularly with respect to the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, it will give leverage to those in the Bush administration who want to take the war on terrorism to Iraq. So far President Bush has been non-committal, partly because key Gulf allies warn that any military action against Iraq without proof of an al-Qaeda link would shatter the coalition behind the anti-terror campaign.
Bin Laden was relatively unknown when the Sudan connection surfaced in 1994. He had been expelled from Saudi Arabia, but his fortune, business ventures and budding ideas of Holy War had made him a welcome guest of the radical National Islamic Front, the party that held power in Khartoum, Sudan‘s capital.

Saddam, under intense international scrutiny after the Gulf War, also had strong ties to Khartoum, and Iraqi intelligence was well represented in the stew of Islamic radicals, insurrectionists and foreign agents pouring through the city.

"We were convinced that money from Iraq was going to bin Laden, who was then sending it to places that Iraq wanted it to go," says Stanley Bedlington, a senior analyst in the CIA‘s counterterrorism center from 1986 until his retirement in 1994.

"There certainly is no doubt that Saddam Hussein had pretty strong ties to bin Laden while he was in Sudan, whether it was directly or through (Sudanese) intermediaries. We traced considerable sums of money going from bin Laden to the GIA in Algeria. We believed some of the money came from Iraq."

At the time, bin Laden was just emerging in U.S. intelligence reports on Sudan‘s sponsorship of terrorist groups and the role Iraq, Iran and other Arab states played in those arrangements.
Federal officials now are reviewing those old reports, looking not only for evidence of overt contacts between Saddam and al-Qaeda, such as Iraqi money passing through bin Laden, but for more covert ties, including the possibility that Iraqi intelligence had penetrated al-Qaeda.
Interpreting the evidence

Most current and former officials who have tracked Saddam‘s regime and bin Laden‘s organization believe there has been regular contact between the two. Many suspect that Iraqi operatives have helped al-Qaeda, perhaps with bomb-making materials and expertise, forged identity papers and safe houses - the sort of assistance Iraq has provided to any number of terrorist groups. But relatively few believe Iraq is directly involved in the planning and execution of al-Qaeda attacks.

The debate is based mainly on a handful of known contacts:
*Mohamed Atta, the ringleader in the Sept. 11 attacks, met in Prague last April with Ahmed al-Ani, a suspected Iraqi intelligence chief posted at Iraq‘s Czech embassy. Czech Prime Minister Milos Zeman, whose agents monitored the meeting, says Atta and the Iraqi discussed a plot to bomb the Prague offices of Radio Free Europe, which broadcasts U.S.-backed programs into Iraq.
The meeting, according to Czech intelligence, focused only on the radio station, an alleged target of Iraqi agents at least once before, in 1998. But many suspect the Sept. 11 attacks were a topic, too. Atta, who‘d made at least one previous trip to Prague, traveled 72 straight hours from Florida and back to see al-Ani. Upon returning, he used money wired from the Middle East to finance the attacks.

*Farouk Hijazi, Iraq‘s ambassador to Turkey and reputedly a top official in Saddam‘s intelligence service, went to Afghanistan in 1998, after bin Laden was implicated in the U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa, and offered the accused terrorist sanctuary in Iraq.

Iraqi officials deny any such invitation. But Vincent Cannistraro, former counterterrorism chief at the CIA, says the agency has evidence to the contrary: "Hijazi wanted bin Laden to relocate to Iraq, but bin Laden turned it down. He knew Saddam wanted to make him a tool of Iraqi policy."

The meeting was first made public by the Iraqi National Congress, an exiled opposition group that contends that Saddam‘s regime has helped train, equip and plan al-Qaeda attacks.
*Two Iraqi defectors this month provided details on a terrorist training camp south of Baghdad in Salman Pak, first identified by United Nations weapons inspectors in the early 1990s.
The defectors, in accounts provided by Iraqi opposition leaders, described a separate, secret compound where non-Iraqi Arabs, most of whom appeared to be Islamic radicals, were drilled in terrorist acts. Among other things, the trainees practiced hi*******s in small groups, armed only with knives, on a Boeing 707.

"We always just called them the terrorist camps," says Charles Duelfer, former deputy chairman of the U.N. weapons inspection program in Iraq. "We reported them at the time, but they‘ve obviously taken on new significance."
Other links between al-Qaeda and Iraq continue to crop up, including reports that at least two other people involved in the Sept. 11 attacks met with Iraqi agents beforehand. But most remain unconfirmed.
Cash and spies in Sudan
Whatever Iraq‘s relationship to al-Qaeda, its roots seem to be in Sudan. Bin Laden lived there from 1991 to 1996 after leaving his native Saudi Arabia, where his calls for a strict Islamic government had angered the monarchy. By 1994, U.S. officials were concerned that bin Laden was supporting Islamic insurgencies across the region.

The nexus of those efforts, according to U.S. and foreign officials, was Hassan Turabi, who headed Sudan‘s ruling National Islamic Front. Turabi, credited with bringing bin Laden to Sudan, opened the country to Islamic fundamentalists, providing training grounds and safe haven for terrorist operations, the officials say. Money for those efforts flowed in from several Middle Eastern states - including Iraq - and bin Laden was believed to be helping with its distribution.

"The years when bin Laden was establishing himself in Sudan also happened to be a time when there was a lot of Iraqi-Sudanese activity," says Steven Simon, a counterterrorism advisor for Clinton.

Many people associated with al-Qaeda came from a loose network of operatives who served a variety of states and terrorist organizations, and there were a lot of "tactical and shifting contacts," adds Simon, now at London‘s International Institute for Strategic Studies. He notes, for example, that it is rumored in London that some of the people Saddam employed to assassinate Iraqi dissidents "were affiliated with al-Qaeda."
U.S. officials worried at the time that Saddam was sponsoring development of chemical weapons in Sudan, and U.N. inspectors documented visits to Khartoum by officials in Iraq‘s chemical weapons program. Some believe bin Laden and his associates were helping to finance the weapons work.

The recent wave of anthrax-tainted letters to U.S. officials and media outlets has spurred speculation that bin Laden may also have gotten Iraqi help in building his own arsenal. Newly discovered camps in Afghanistan where al-Qaeda operatives appear to have experimented with chemical weapons may yield new information on any connections.

"There‘s a lot of (intelligence) collection going on in those caves and mountains," says Duelfer, the former UN official. "We‘re going to hear about more ties between al-Qaeda and Iraq, particularly when it comes to al-Qaeda‘s efforts to get chemical and biological weapons."

It was also during bin Laden‘s time in Sudan that U.S. intelligence officials began suspecting that Iraq‘s foreign intelligence service was trying to penetrate the then-fledgling al-Qaeda organization. And the question of whether Iraqi agents are operating secretly within al-Qaeda‘s ranks is one that the CIA continues to investigate.

"There was a guy in bin Laden‘s entourage in Khartoum - he was not what you would call ‘active duty,‘ but he had very close connections to Iraqi intelligence," recalls one former CIA operative who declined to be identified. "He was close to bin Laden and dealt with him a lot in his incarnation as factory builder and road builder."

Most officials doubt that anyone in the upper ranks of al-Qaeda is an Iraqi spy. And there‘s great debate about the extent to which Iraqi agents may have been able to get inside bin Laden‘s organization, which vets recruits extensively.

Even so, virtually no one doubts that Saddam would try to place someone inside al-Qaeda.
"That‘s the way he works," says Tim McCarthy, a scholar at the Monterey Institute of International Studies who did U.N. inspections in Iraq - an operation that itself was penetrated by Iraqi agents. "Saddam believes in getting inside these sorts of organizations."
Wafiq al Samarrai, who headed Iraq‘s military intelligence operation before defecting in 1994, also believes Saddam has agents inside al-Qaeda, though he doubts they‘re in the upper ranks. The agents "most likely would be from other countries, Egyptians or Jordanians or Yemenis," he says. "It wouldn‘t be Iraqis - the Iraqis in al-Qaeda are few."
A question of proof
Despite the contacts between Iraq and bin Laden‘s organization, there‘s still much debate over the precise nature of the relationship.

"In that part of the universe, the part occupied by Muslims who hate Americans, there are bound to be some (al-Qaeda) contacts with Iraqi agents, even some who are known as such," says Daniel Benjamin, a former National Security Council advisor on terrorism during the Clinton administration.

But Benjamin, now at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, sides with many who doubt that Iraq has any meaningful role in steering al-Qaeda‘s operations. "We were never aware of any substantial cooperation," he says.
Those who doubt any sort of substantive relationship are quick to note that there are deep philosophical differences between Saddam and bin Laden. The most obvious is that Saddam, a secular autocrat who has repressed Islamic fundamentalists in his own country, seems to be the type of Arab leader that the deeply religious bin Laden often rails against.

Yet there‘s a vocal and powerful group of officials in the U.S. military and intelligence communities who believe Iraq and al-Qaeda work hand-in-hand. They point to what they see as clear evidence of state sponsorship in al-Qaeda strikes, such as the use of large amounts of C-4, a hard-to-get military explosive, in the October 2000 attack on the USS Cole, a Navy frigate rammed at a Yemen port by a suicide bomber on a small boat.

"People put aside ideological differences to work towards common goals - in this case, driving America out of the Middle East," says Laurie Mylroie, author of Study of Revenge, which makes a case that Iraq helped plot the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. Bin Laden "is not capable of carrying out the kind of major assaults we‘ve seen .... Iraqi intelligence provides the expertise and direction. Proving it is difficult, but many things that are true can‘t be proven."

Many who are pushing to turn the U.S. war on terrorism against Saddam believe there never will be absolute proof of Iraqi involvement in al-Qaeda attacks. But they say no more evidence is necessary, given Iraq‘s history of sponsoring terrorism, including a foiled 1993 plot to assassinate former President Bush, and Saddam‘s blocking of U.N. weapons inspections.

"I don‘t know what the (Iraq-al-Qaeda) relationship is, whether it‘s a 90-10 joint venture or a 10-90 joint venture, and it doesn‘t matter," says former CIA director James Woolsey. Some al-Qaeda attacks "look like a foreign intelligence service was involved, and we have a long history of contacts between Iraqi intelligence and al-Qaeda," Woolsey adds. "All of that, plus the (blocking) of the U.N. inspections, is enough."

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Old 03-08-2003, 07:01 PM   #7
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So do you want More links ?

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Hi Boedy, nice try but very dated info and since disproved. Date the artical was writen was 12/02/2001 - Updated 11:25 PM ET. Have a nice day and please for credibility, give the publication and date of the artical.
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Hi Boedy, nice try but very dated info and since disproved. Date the artical was writen was 12/02/2001 - Updated 11:25 PM ET. Have a nice day and please for credibility, give the publication and date of the artical.
<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Source for it being disproved?
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Old 03-08-2003, 07:15 PM   #10
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Boedy, there are so many International Review site, could you give a link to which one you are refering to?
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Old 03-08-2003, 07:20 PM   #11
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Not sure what your asking for Spey
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Old 03-08-2003, 07:25 PM   #12
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Boedy,
Neither does Spey . Don't waste your time.

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Old 03-08-2003, 07:29 PM   #13
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Keta, if any of this dirbble from Boedy was true, the world would be with us and not against us.
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Old 03-08-2003, 07:39 PM   #14
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Spey,
The N.Koeans? Chinese? French? Iran?

The major countries opposed to us have contracts with Iraq for their oil (that's France and Russia if you don't know already) that they are afraid they will loose when we kick out Joe Jr. The others are mostly other dictatorships that fear they could be next. In fact, if you look into it, you'll find that the majority of the nations in the UN aren't representative governments. This is why I feel the US doesn't belongs in the UN.
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Keta, if any of this dirbble from Boedy was true, the world would be with us and not against us.
<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Then it should be easy for you to provide the proof that all that I posted is false.
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Gotta go with Boedy on this one. [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]
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