Bill O'Reilly threatens anti-war guest

The Fishing Geek · 02-20-2003, 06:16 AM

Here's the article, and here's the first paragraph from the article:

"On February 4th, during a live interview on the Fox News program 'The O�Reilly Factor,' media personality Bill O�Reilly verbally attacked Jeremy M. Glick, a signer of the Not In Our Name 'Statement of Conscience' whose father was killed in the World Trade Center on 9/11. Bill O�Reilly has referred to the signers of the Statement as 'anti-American' and has said they should be 'held accountable' for the expression of their dissenting opinion. After cutting short the interview Bill O�Reilly threatened Mr. Glick, a professor at Rutgers University and teacher in the state prisons system, with physical violence."

Was Bill O'Reilly out of line here? Or was it just a reaction to extremely un-American statements?

Kruechief · 02-20-2003, 06:26 AM

Times are tense.

I almost wrecked a dude's world yesterday because he fish eyed me and then ran his mouth.

It's funny, the dumb--- weighed about a buck fifty and I bench press about twice that. I don't know, I am glad I got myself in check though because I feel like a balloon about to pop and I know once i started dropping bombs that I would be looking out instead of in.

Bill needs to look at this and realize, IF IT HAPPENED that he needs to be above this kind of behavior in order to be credible.

Loren

Kruechief · 02-20-2003, 06:29 AM

Geek,

Reading the article now from the link.

Loren

Kruechief · 02-20-2003, 06:52 AM

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The San Francisco Bay Area Independent Media Center is a non-commercial, democratic collective of bay area independent media makers and media outlets, and serves as the local organizing unit of the global Indymedia network

Ok… STRIKE ONE!

You don’t think that a San Francisco “democratic collective” might be a little short of Communism, do you?

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Mr. Solay pointed out that Jeremy M. Glick, among others who had suffered family loss on 9/11, had signed the Statement.

Sure, how many?

STRIKE 2!

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Several members of the show’s staff apologized to Mr. Glick, and expressed concern for his personal safety, stating that there might be a “situation” if he and the host were to meet face to face.

Come on Geek, your better then this! This is pure “he said she said” and false innuendo.

AND A SWING AND A MISS!

Sorry, the young man from Milwaukie is shown the bench.

Krue

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On February 4th, during a live interview on the Fox News program “The O’Reilly Factor,” media personality Bill O’Reilly verbally attacked Jeremy M. Glick,

It is so funny how the left can label things one way and then turn around and act the same way they are complaning about.

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Straydog · 02-20-2003, 07:21 AM

Gimme a break Krue.

Surely even you to whom the right wing preachers preach recognize that the boorish, loud, in your face, "I'll kick your butt, boy!" mentality is the driving force of most all of these "media personalities".

Speaking of media personalities, please bear in mind that is all these guys are......... media personalities selling their particular media.

They are not smarter or better informed than anyone. They are actors selling tv or radio. Nothing more, nothing less.

You and the other bobbing heads eating up their mantra create the ratings that keep this sort of "entertainment" viable.

Kruechief · 02-20-2003, 07:30 AM

SD,

Come on now... tsk tsk

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On the other hand, the name calling is embarassing to me. I would rather not be associated with it.

Maybe a three warnings for name calling and you're out?

Remember this one? Now read below.

See what I mean about the left calling names?

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You and the other bobbing heads eating up their mantra

Could this be strike ONE!

Love ya bro,

Da 'Chief

Kruechief · 02-20-2003, 07:46 AM

Here is a partial transcript.

Partial Transcript: The O'Reilly Factor 2-4-03

O'REILLY: In the "Personal Stories" segment tonight, we were surprised to find out than an American who lost his father in the World Trade Center attack had signed an anti-war advertisement that accused the USA itself of terrorism. The offending passage read, "We too watched with shock the horrific events of September 11... we too mourned the thousands of innocent dead and shook our heads at the terrible scenes of carnage -- even as we recalled similar scenes in Baghdad, Panama City, and a generation ago, Vietnam." With us now is Jeremy Glick, whose father, Barry, was a Port Authority worker at the Trade Center. Mr. Glick is a co-author of the book "Another World is Possible." I'm surprised you signed this. You were the only one of all of the families who signed...

JEREMY GLICK: Well, actually, that's not true.

O'REILLY: Who signed the advertisement?

GLICK: Peaceful Tomorrow, which represents 9/11 families, were also involved.

O'REILLY: Hold it, hold it, hold it, Jeremy. You're the only one who signed this advertisement.

GLICK: As an individual.

O'REILLY: Yes, as -- with your name. You were the only one. I was surprised, and the reason I was surprised is that this ad equates the United States with the terrorists. And I was offended by that.

GLICK: Well, you say -- I remember earlier you said it was a moral equivalency, and it's actually a material equivalency. And just to back up for a second about your surprise, I'm actually shocked that you're surprised. If you think about it, our current president, who I feel and many feel is in this position illegitimately by neglecting the voices of Afro- Americans in the Florida coup, which, actually, somebody got impeached for during the Reconstruction period -- Our current president now inherited a legacy from his father and inherited a political legacy that's responsible for training militarily, economically, and situating geopolitically the parties involved in the alleged assassination and the murder of my father and countless of thousands of others. So I don't see why it's surprising...

O'REILLY: All right. Now let me stop you here. So...

GLICK: ... for you to think that I would come back and want to support...

O'REILLY: It is surprising, and I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why it's surprising.

GLICK: ... escalating...

O'REILLY: You are mouthing a far left position that is a marginal position in this society, which you're entitled to.

GLICK: It's marginal -- right.

O'REILLY: You're entitled to it, all right, but you're -- you see, even -- I'm sure your beliefs are sincere, but what upsets me is I don't think your father would be approving of this.

GLICK: Well, actually, my father thought that Bush's presidency was illegitimate.

O'REILLY: Maybe he did, but...

GLICK: I also didn't think that Bush...

O'REILLY: ... I don't think he'd be equating this country as a terrorist nation as you are.

GLICK: Well, I wasn't saying that it was necessarily like that.

O'REILLY: Yes, you are. You signed...

GLICK: What I'm saying is...

O'REILLY: ... this, and that absolutely said that.

GLICK: ... is that in -- six months before the Soviet invasion in Afghanistan, starting in the Carter administration and continuing and escalating while Bush's father was head of the CIA, we recruited a hundred thousand radical mujahadeens to combat a democratic government in Afghanistan, the Turaki government.

O'REILLY: All right. I don't want to...

GLICK: Maybe...

O'REILLY: I don't want to debate world politics with you.

GLICK: Well, why not? This is about world politics.

O'REILLY: Because, No. 1, I don't really care what you think.

GLICK: Well, OK.

O'REILLY: You're -- I want to...

GLICK: But you do care because you...

O'REILLY: No, no. Look...

GLICK: The reason why you care is because you evoke 9/11...

O'REILLY: Here's why I care.

GLICK: ... to rationalize...

O'REILLY: Here's why I care...

GLICK: Let me finish. You evoke 9/11 to rationalize everything from domestic plunder to imperialistic aggression worldwide.

O'REILLY: OK. That's a bunch...

GLICK: You evoke sympathy with the 9/11 families.

O'REILLY: That's a bunch of crap. I've done more for the 9/11 families by their own admission -- I've done more for them than you will ever hope to do.

GLICK: OK.

O'REILLY: So you keep your mouth shut when you sit here exploiting those people.

GLICK: Well, you're not representing me. You're not representing me.

O'REILLY: And I'd never represent you. You know why?

GLICK: Why?

O'REILLY: Because you have a warped view of this world and a warped view of this country.

GLICK: Well, explain that. Let me give you an example of a parallel...

O'REILLY: No, I'm not going to debate this with you, all right.

GLICK: Well, let me give you an example of parallel experience. On September 14...

O'REILLY: No, no. Here's -- here's the...

GLICK: On September 14...

O'REILLY: Here's the record.

GLICK: OK.

O'REILLY: All right. You didn't support the action against Afghanistan to remove the Taliban. You were against it, OK.

GLICK: Why would I want to brutalize and further punish the people in Afghanistan...

O'REILLY: Who killed your father!

GLICK: The people in Afghanistan...

O'REILLY: Who killed your father.

GLICK: ... didn't kill my father.

O'REILLY: Sure they did. The al Qaeda people were trained there.

GLICK: The al Qaeda people? What about the Afghan people?

O'REILLY: See, I'm more angry about it than you are!

GLICK: So what about George Bush?

O'REILLY: What about George Bush? He had nothing to do with it.

GLICK: The director -- senior as director of the CIA.

O'REILLY: He had nothing to do with it.

GLICK: So the people that trained a hundred thousand Mujahadeen who were...

O'REILLY: Man, I hope your mom isn't watching this.

GLICK: Well, I hope she is.

O'REILLY: I hope your mother is not watching this because you -- that's it. I'm not going to say anymore.

GLICK: OK.

O'REILLY: In respect for your father...

GLICK: On September 14, do you want to know what I'm doing?

O'REILLY: Shut up. Shut up.

GLICK: Oh, please don't tell me to shut up.

O'REILLY: As respect -- as respect -- in respect for your father, who was a Port Authority worker, a fine American, who got killed unnecessarily by barbarians...

GLICK: By radical extremists who were trained by this government...

O'REILLY: Out of respect for him...

GLICK: ... not the people of America.

O'REILLY: ... I'm not going to...

GLICK: ... The people of the ruling class, the small minority.

O'REILLY: Cut his mic. I'm not going to dress you down anymore, out of respect for your father. We will be back in a moment with more of THE FACTOR.

GLICK: That means we're done?

O'REILLY: We're done.

Then this happened right before the commercial break:

What you can not see here because it's a text transcript, is right after O'Reilly said "we're done" he made two motions with his hand. He (O'Reilly) waved at someone off camera as to say come here and get him (referring to Jeremy Glick) then he did a move with his thumb, he held his right thumb up and raised it up in a short little motion. It's as if he were hitch-hiking, like get him outta here. I am guessing he was telling someone on his staff or his bodyguard to throw Glick out of the studio.

The apology quote O'Reilly gave after the commercials:

OREILLY: "I have to apologize. If I knew that guy, Jeremy Glick, was going to be like that, I never would have brought him in here, and I feel bad for his family. I really do.

Geek, where was Glick threatened physically like it was stated in the article you linked?

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After the interview he told Mr. Glick to “Get out, get out of my studio before I tear you to f**king pieces!”

This doesn’t sound like the Geek I know and respect. Perhaps you should spend a little less time debunking urban legends and more time chasing facts.

But then again, you did only ask for an opinion and you didn’t really say that you believed the article.

Are you fishing again Geek?

With respect,

Loren

Straydog · 02-20-2003, 08:32 AM

Krue,

Tsk, tsk to you as well. Did you skip Language Arts classes a lot? :whazzup:

Calling one a name is using a noun as in "you are a moron."

Refering to the unthinking agreement with the right wing entertainers by referring to "bobbing" heads is a verb.......... an action word, no name calling.

Next lesson in simple English and grammar??

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Kruechief · 02-20-2003, 08:54 AM

Yes, I may have skipped a class or two.

But I majored in "criminal" thinking errors though.

The one you are using is called redefining. It is shifting the focus off an issue to avoid solving a problem. Redefining is a power play to get the focus off you and your behavior. It represents ineffective thinking, which does not deal with the problem at hand. It is answering a different question, one you want to answer rather that the one, which you were asked.

Hey, all those Social Work courses and state sponsored trainings helped. Not to mention the many years working as a counselor in lockups.

Krue

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GutshotApe · 02-20-2003, 08:54 AM

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Originally posted by Straydog:
Krue,

Tsk, tsk to you as well. Did you skip Language Arts classes a lot? :whazzup:

Strike two?

Kruechief · 02-20-2003, 09:01 AM

GSA,

He didn't use a noun, except for the pronoun "you" and class.

Krue

The Fishing Geek · 02-20-2003, 09:17 AM

Sorry. I was otherwise distracted. I'll read the comments later, but I just wanted to provide the video that appeared on Fox News. Of course, they don't have the threats made after-the-fact, but it's apparent that O'Reilly didn't want to give the young man the opportunity to speak his side of the story.

What's up with the strikes thing? Are you Jonesing for baseball season already?

Kruechief · 02-20-2003, 09:34 AM

Geek,

Fron the "Is LIG destroying ifish? thread.

Silver Hilton said,

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3) Set up a three strikes and you're out policy. Three edits or moderator actions and you're banned.

Straydog said,

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Maybe a three warnings for name calling and you're out?

COTR said,

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How about three strikes for the forum and its locked down for a week?

RogueFishr said,

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I agree the name calling should not get out of hand, and maybe the 3 strike rule is a good choice.

I just want to raise the awareness issue. I mean I know I resort to immature name calling at times but I do not play the "victim" role.

Can you dig it? (Sorry, still reading the "Dope Carol" submited by SH, man that is one long parody)

Krue

Krue

Kruechief · 02-20-2003, 09:42 AM

Geek,

Watched the video, thank you.

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they don't have the threats made after-the-fact

Geek, did you personally witness these "threats"?

Krue

crabbait · 02-20-2003, 09:42 AM

Hey! We will call the strikes and balls here. Quit trying to tattle-tail each other and discuss the issue or move on.

Additionally, I do not believe that ifish has adopted a 'three strikes your out" policy. We will continue to weigh infractions on their merits, or lack or merit, and make decisions accordingly.

All of you need to start treating each other with respect. The "head bobbing" comment may not technically be name calling but it was not intended respectfully nor was it meant to convince the other party that they should change opinions.

If it had been worded that "people listening to Bill O'Reilly and other entertainers of this type, both right and left leaning, need to examine the facts instead of blindly agreeing with comments that support their beliefs" then maybe the reader might examine whether or not they have been guilty of being lead by a slanted and strongly voiced opinion.

There is a huge difference between arguing and trying to belittle your "opponent" and speaking to persuade someone to re-examine their belief.

Please, less of the former and more of the latter, ya maroons!

Kruechief · 02-20-2003, 09:53 AM

Crabbait,

Are you calling me a tattle-tail now? Who did I ask for to intervene in this?

When did I,

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Hey! We will call the strikes and balls here. Quit trying to tattle-tail each other and discuss the issue or move on.

Wow! What a load!

Krue

This is truly how it works!

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RvW · 02-20-2003, 10:05 AM

Any threat of physical violence is "out of line" unless its a reaction to one.

I think Bill O is a hot-head anyway, and wonder what his motivation for the interview was to begin with...he certainly didnt get blindsided with anti-american sentiment, he knew what he was getting into, and that is exactly how his show is produced.

Glick?

Isnt this a caracter played by Martin Short?

I'd have slapped him out of that fat suit, with no threat of it coming! :tongue:

Kruechief · 02-20-2003, 10:08 AM

COTR,

We almost ended up fishing together tomorrow with Paul.

I got called in though. :depressed:

Loren

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Straydog · 02-20-2003, 10:47 AM

Crabbait,

I respectfully accept your position of being the moderator and calling the balls and strikes.

I do however, find it disrespectful that you choose to make the call in reference to what was in my mind with the bobbing head statement.

It was absolutely meant to make people change their opinions in regards to believing what they hear or read. It may not be affective, but please, don't let your position make you think you are able to make a fool proof determination of the intent of others statements.

Bad call!!! The ump needs glasses!! :tongue: :grin:

Respectfully,

Straydog

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Kruechief · 02-20-2003, 10:58 AM

I find that crackers usually go best with whine. :tongue:

Oops, I mean wine.

Krue

monoman · 02-20-2003, 12:25 PM

Geek
Jonesing for baseball here!
I think CB should change to "Blue"
We will let Stray play Billy Martin!
Who's on first...wait thats been done! :grin:

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CATCH AND EAT · 02-20-2003, 12:58 PM

Skirt wearing poddle walkers.

Strike 2003 by now I am sure.

Thanks for printing the text Krue. That guy would have never made it to the woodshed with me. He, Glick, was rude and illogical.

Steve, I think Casey is a bat here. Swing true my friend, swing true. I can hear the wiff coming already.....whifffffffffff.......STRIKE 3!!!!! Lots of long faces in Mudville.

Straydog · 02-20-2003, 04:04 PM

Krue,

I prefer cheese! :grin:

Mono,

"Whaddya *#&^@% mean!! Are ya blind!!??!??!? :grin:

Kruechief · 02-20-2003, 05:19 PM

Sd,

I started to post a whine myself but noticed you had already posted, so I let you take the bait...

Krue

HeavyMetal BankFisherman · 02-20-2003, 08:52 PM

O'REILLY rules!

That Glick was still talking about the election. He needs to find some meaningful purpose. Perhaps as a human shield in Iraq.

I hope O'Reily screens his guests better in the future. At least he apologized for having this guy on his show. I thought he handled the guy pretty well. A few shutups, commercial break, call the bouncers to get rid of the guy, then apologize for this fool being on his show.

I probably would have been across the table with fists a blazin. O'REILLY is a True American, and he says it how it is. That Glick is one messed up fool.

crabbait · 02-20-2003, 11:23 PM

Krue - I don't need your invitation to intervene, you signed up for it when you decided to register. My point was not even intended for you...but if the shoe fits! And I agree, you have been pitching quite a load.

Straydog - Oh, forgive me, when you said "You and the other bobbing heads eating up their mantra create the ratings" you meant that respectfully to inform people of your opinion and to try to influence them to change their thinking.

I was born at night but not last night.

Straydog · 02-21-2003, 05:47 AM

Well Crabbait,

I was hoping we were done with this but I guess your position on this board makes it tough on you, huh? Since you seem intent on carrying it on let me explain more clearly.

Actually, I never mentioned I was trying to do anything with respect or otherwise. We seem to all have our own ideas concerning the conveyance of respect. UUhh, when were you born again? UUmm, who's pitching a load of what?

However, there have been times that I have seen myself in descriptions such as "the bobbing heads" and have indeed changed my way of looking at things. It is very easy, as you are so respectfully illustrating, to get caught up in the moment and the movement of the masses and just go along with something or someone without really thinking about what is being said.

Picture a group a people in front of the tv, the radio or individually in front of their computers collectivly saying "yea! what he said!!", being pointed out that they are bobbing heads not thinking.....

That was the jist of my intent and you, even being born many nights ago obviously missed what I was attempting to get across.

You know Crab, with the reminders of being civil and respectful being posted and Jen explaining how much time and effort she and the rest of the moderators have to spend keeping things in order on this board, I would think you would be way too busy to be worried about a "flame" or a disrespectful "slam" as 'bobbing heads'........... I understand the great trauma and mental anguish this horribly disrespectful comment may cause some, but it would certainly seem to me there must be more important things for you to focus on.

I see that you take your job here very seriously but with all due respect, I think you need to keep it in perspective.

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CATCH AND EAT · 02-21-2003, 07:13 AM

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crabbait · 02-21-2003, 07:45 AM

Stray - I absolutely agree with your comment and sentiment that we all need to look closely at all the facts, ensure that we are getting the facts from as objective a source as possible, and make up our own minds as to what is true and what is propaganda. I was defending you when I said it was not name calling.

My point was that the discussion seems to deteriorate rapidly when we do not allow our audience a little more respect than their position may deserve. I think I illustrated that point well with my last post.

Do you see how rapidly people can be made defensive when they feel that they are under attack? Defensive people are not thinking about what the other person has said, they are thinking about how they can defend their position and save face. (The same is true with nations as with individuals - they must have room to gracefully change their position or they will defend it - no matter how wrong they may be).

My interjection was to prove a point. The "infraction" was miniscule and I am not upset with any of you. Just trying to show how people interact and how we can communicate without seeming to attack one another.

Back to your discussion. Have a good day. :smile:

Straydog · 02-21-2003, 07:57 AM

Crabbait,

Point well made and taken, with a smile even! :smile:

We can all do better!

Good day to you!

Cool Texan · 02-21-2003, 09:11 AM

Krue...you should always give the other guy the benefit of the doubt...just to be safe.

Back in college I had a fraternity brother who, although he was 6'1 or 6'2, was pretty lanky and very lean. Not an intimidating guy by any stretch of the imagination. Just tall. Anyhow, after a party one night, a skirmish broke out between he and 3 other guys from a different fraternity. What came next was a complete shock to us all...initially the fight was just he and one of the guys. My fraternity brother put a major whoopin on that guy and had him laid out in no time. He then turned on the other two and pounded them silly. We just watched with mouths hanging open that this doofy kid was capable of doing that. Just goes to show ya, you never know whats inside a guy....even at a buck fifty.

Kruechief · 02-21-2003, 03:43 PM

Cool Tex,

Nothing to do with the guy's size but everything to do with him running his jaw.

trust me I am 40 years old have wrestled with inmates and numerous others most of my life (usually because a fellow guard power tripped and then I had to come in.

But you are right. One of the worst butt kickings I ever witnessed was delivered by a 140 lb Mexican on a 6'3" Mill City redneck.

Krue

Day Late Fishen · 03-01-2003, 08:06 AM

I like Bill O and I enjoy the geek 2. I think it's funny how the left can't debate without spinning so they come up with stuff like this. Wait till next week when savage debuits on MSNBC the Facist portion of the left is already screaming " Stop Hate !!!!". I'ts all rather funny to me.

DanS · 03-01-2003, 12:48 PM

Hey could one of you O'Reilley fans post the "Conditions for Becoming a 'True' American" ? Just curious if I'm a 'true' American or just a pseudo-American.

I'd meet O'Reilley outside the studio. I got about a buck-seventy that says he should try to win an argument like a grown-up (or avoid one)......not a high-schooler.

The transcript read like an argument between two lunkheads to me. You sure that was the O'Reilley Factor and not the Jerry Springer Show? Bill knows you can't PAY for advertising like this. "if I'd known he (Glick) would be like this.....I wouldn't have had him on." Sure, Bill.