Is Life in General Destroying ifish?

[Jennie@ifish]

I see that there are some very heated issues on this forum.
I've seen people call others names, out of passion for their beliefs.

How can someone come here, and post vehement words and then go to the ifish fishing forum and not carry those ugly feelings with them?

There are three choices I am considering.

1. Remove this forum altogether, as it's causing bad feelings, and too much trouble to moderate.

2. Allow an "Anything goes" on this forum, and post a huge warning on top that it is not for children, and things posted here may offend you. (however, this is really tough for me to think about, and not what I had in mind for my peaceful little web site!)

or...

3. Moderate it heavily, which causes more bad feelings.

War is an ugly topic. It generates very heated feelings. I see that no one is going to agree on this subject. We hold our own beliefs and we aren't budging!

[img]graemlins/idea.gif[/img] Can't we get our feelings across without belittling those that disagree with us?

I feel that the best remedy is for you folks to respect what I've built here enough for you to self moderate. Act as if you are standing face to face with whom you are speaking with and ask yourself. Would you say this if you were face to face? OK, go one step further. Would you say this in the presence of children?

Have a little courtesy. This is my home, and man is it getting large! This does not mean, however, that I have to invite you all in. :smile: If the group gets unmanageable, then I will close the doors. If fighting occurs that is really out of my control, I'll get out the pepper spray! :smile: I really don't want my lamps and furniture knocked over, and harmed.

How can we expect whirled peas if not even our neighbors can get along?

Jen
Peace!
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[The Fishing Geek]

I point to my Humanity post and stand by it.

As far as your suggestions, option 1 wouldn't work as it would only put all the NFR stuff back into the fishing forums. Option 2 is not what this site is about, so it wouldn't work either. As policing it ourselves would never work (sorry folks!), I humbly suggest that option 3 might be the way to go with some Rules of Engagement. No personal attacks would be a big one, with repeat offenders getting removed from the forum (do you have that option in UBB?), if not the whole site.

Moderation is necessary in here. I don't see any way around it.

[Hogmaster]

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I pretty much try to post items of interest and passable jokes in here. I do not engage in all the (mostly political) "flame forums".

One thing I have noticed on those forums when I do peek in at them is that whoever has the strong stance never seems to change opinion by the strong stance of an opposer. For everyone else it is sort of like a tennis match with no scoring allowed. After a while it gets tedious to watch the slams going back and forth. Why bother? All it seems to do is raise blood pressure and hard feelings.

My wish is that you make a rule that LIG is not the place to debate politics. Go to another board for that, or perhaps a bar. After all, it is called Life in General. Not "I'm right and you are wrong".

[Thumper]

Jennie:

You are correct. War is serious business. I value this as a forum to discuss it.

But currently there is a double standard. To call the President of the United States a liar, thief, idiot, coward, etc. is acceptable to the moderators. To call another Ifisher a coward is cause for an immediate edit. That is hardly equitable, and perhaps expresses the bias of the moderators.

I suggest either deleting the forum or (my preference) opening it to all non-obscene discussion.

[ 02-19-2003, 07:38 AM: Message edited by: Thumper ]

[Kruechief]

Jen,

When discussing certain issues, yes it does get heated. But that also happens at home with the family, at other family functions, with friends, on fishing or hunting trips, with coworkers and others. Believe it or not it is functional and useful.

Some people believe that issues should be swept under or a rug and not talked about. In that type of dysfunction nothing ever changes.

We discuss, we negotiate, we trade jabs and we learn. Life is so censored now that people are afraid to communicate.

Leave it alone, please.

Loren

[ 02-19-2003, 07:40 AM: Message edited by: kruechief ]

[GutshotApe]

Jennie - I understand your dilemma......Yes, there are heated discussions about politics and other topics of interest and, lately anyway, a few people have gotten carried away and said things that others will remember [img]graemlins/icon_argue.gif[/img] .....and it may influence discussions with them on the fish or hunting forum. But these discusions are frequently the most interesting ones of all, often there is a lot of good information presented, on & off topic, and I don't think the baby should be thrown out with the bathwater.

Everyone has the option of clicking to another topic whenever the reading becomes too tedious or disturbing........

I vote to keep it as is, and moderate when necessary......but sparingly.

[lost_sailor]

It's OK Mom, don't worry.

It has been a little intense lately, but then "life in general" is getting scarier by the minute.

[True]

Jennie,

What ever your decision is I will respect it. I enjoy the forum that allows me to express my opinions and lets me hear whatever others have to say on the topic as well. Not all of us get along but that is how many families operate. I am not talking about dysfunctional families with black sheep. I respect those that have a right to say what they feel (in good taste by the way) and I hope that I am respected in turn by what I feel.

I would hope that if you or one of the other moderators thought that I was out of line that you would feel comfortable enough to approach me about it. I think that perhaps those that have been warned repeatedly about their behavior or harsh words may need to be suspended (per a moderator vote) and that they should respect your decision for it. At the very worst they should be expelled. This is a family website by the way.

Respectfully yours,

True

[ 02-19-2003, 08:10 AM: Message edited by: True ]

[CATCH AND EAT]

Jennie, I look at the LIG board as a mini vacation from i-fish. While I may disagree or agree with folks in this forum I still enjoy hearing their opinions. So far I have been able to get along with all but one of the posters in that forum. No skin off my back as I realize the topic was heated.

I try not to carry stuff from this topic to the main forum although I did tease STEW yesterday a little because it was an inside joke between he and I. It was cool and it worked out just fine.

I will respect your decision but I do think it would be a mistake to flush the LIG forum. I think it makes for good discussion.

[Silver Hilton]

I'm one of those who enjoy the debates, but also whose opinions seem provoke the name calling. I'm personally able to stand back from it, and the name calling doesn't bother me.

I agree that it tends to bring the atmosphere down.

I can see three solutions:

1) Shut LIG down, which would be unfortunate

2) Prohibit political discussions (difficult)

3) Set up a three strikes and you're out policy. Three edits or moderator actions and you're banned.

One could also set up a politics only board, but there are already ample options in the Internet for that.

[Straydog]

It seems to me that the most contentious issues, the ones some say bother them, usually get the most discussion. This should tell you something.

On the other hand, the name calling is embarassing to me. I would rather not be associated with it.

Maybe a three warnings for name calling and you're out?

It is not fair to make this so tough on Jen. Maybe we need an avenue to limit the whistle blowers? Some people are very thin skinned or get upset when their point of view is shown to be wrong.

I get amused when people say they hate reading this stuff but still read it!?!?!

[Jennie@ifish]

What's for supper?
:smile:

[fishbane]

Hi Jennie and all,
I don't believe Life in general is destroying ifish.
Life in general is a good exapmle of life I think.
The geeks post is great and we should respect jennies wishes.
I don't agree with allot of people on life in general but i have learned great things and exchanged ideas on the fishing threads from some of these same people.

This is not a public forum where free speach is a right. They really don't exist anymore any way. Free speach and truth are losing out to protecting feelings and false Patriotism.

I have noticed that there seems to be a greater percentage of people on the republican right that pick on and call names of folks on the left. No suprise there though. The war protest string is a great example of that.

I hope you don't drop this board. remeber free speach doesn't mean you have to agree or like what is being said but should be stated in a way with out calling names. As in life though that is not a reality.

As a major offender I feel we should leave it alone, unless we take our toys to the other boards. I try to help out whenever I can on the other boards no mater what happens on the general board. In fact I even like the "FishPimp" :grin: (I couldn't help myself here dog) and have even agreed and supported BrionLutz on a few threads :shocked: (you too Spey :smile: )

I say leave it like it is unless we start spilling out to the other boards. It doesn't bother me to be flamed and called names. Some are more touchy and the rules should be left like they are in regard to this.

[Smj]

Spaghetti!

Jennie, I love the lig board just the way it is. It is a good way for me to hear the pros and cons of the things going on in the world today and allows me to form my own opinions by hearing both sides of the story. It a shame that there are people (whiners & cryers) on ifish that constantly hit the whistle button when they see something they don't think the rest of us should be able to read. If you people don't like it DON'T READ IT! The moderators do a fine job now, if not a little heavy handed at times (my opinion).

My vote: Keep LIG the way it is

Smj

[Straydog]

Keta, ya moron!!!! I resent that! :grin:

BTW, check out the new trout rods appearing at a dealer near you soon!!!!

You better buy a couple since the stupid rednecks defeated Measure 28 tuition is going up plus the young 'en needs new shoes!!

Support your local fish hook and bullet pim..... peddler!

:grin: I love you too dog :grin:

[1pump]

Jeez, people are taking these LIG discussions far too seriously.
I've never had a problem with the moderators, so I don't understand why there would be bad feelings about their involvement. It's obvious that some of us can't police ourselves, so we need moderators. There's some lines that can't be crossed, like obscene language, racism, threats, and name calling, to name a few.
LIG is insulated from the rest of the site. Nobody is here because they were forced to navigate through it to get to the other boards. Some people have made it clear that they avoid the LIG board for various reasons. That's their preference, and they're entitled to it. Nobody is forced to participate. If you find this board tiresome or inflammatory, you can make your escape with a mouse click or two.
If there's any animosity created here, it needs to stay on LIG and not infect the other boards.

[Sturgeon Tom]

Jen you know how great I think this site is. I do get tired of the jabbing back and forth though. If these discussions would accomplish something it would be one thing but they never do. People just keep their side of politics or their side of war and never change it. So they start name calling etc which accomplishes
nothing. Name calling is simply an immature way to feel like you're winning.
I would hate to see the forum go away. I think watching it with a rule of no name calling to any person would be apporpriate.
Repeat violators to be sususpended for a time or removed completely.
There are good subjects on LIG and I would hate to lose them.

[STGRule]

I like having this forum. If the subject doesn't thrill me, I don't read it. I have political differences from a couple people here and it in no way influences my behavior on the other boards. Here we debate, there we discuss. How will you know your normal if you don't see the extremes? :grin:

[RvW]

Looking at it from Jennies angle, I can see how it would be frustrating.

Seperating the fact from the fantasy though, this IS life in general, and the topics being discussed here, at least in my opinion, would be discussed the same way in the "bar" the home or the garage, or on the river.

I have not seen anything I would consider sheilding a child from simply because I cant begin to think a child who would be able to understand (or take an interest in) the topics has NOT been exposed to far worse "flames" or insulting innuendos, or been guilty of it themselves. It goes with the territory. Children are not as naive and innocent as we all would like them to be.

As long as the comments which may be insulting do not cross the line and become innapropriate (vulgar, racial etc) this should be allowed to flow in a direction which represents an uncensored, free forum to discuss heated issues because the heated issues are real, and lead to far worse in the "real world" than anything that could ever be allowed (or possible) here.

Granted this is a fishing site, I as a fisherman have ideas and opinions that apply to every day life (or LIG) but I think I speak for far more than myself when I say I do not take a discussion seriously enough to be offended, nor have a been offended by anyone who might have resorted to pointing thier "flamethrower" in my direction.
I certainly hope that what I have said to others has not been offensive to them, was never meant to be.

So in closing, I must say I strongly oppose any changes to the forum short of closing it down entirely.
I think a reasonable warning to someone who appears to have become angry or stepped over a line is all it takes to keep people in tune with reality, and what is acceptable.
Ive not seen anyone here who is incapable of moderating themselves, or having it pointed out to them that they should.

Maybe a reminder that there is an ignore button in your profile options, a whistleblower option for all to use if you DO feel a post is innapropriate, and big red x at the top corner of your browser if your blood pressure becomes unmanageable.

Jen, I respect whatever decision you make, but I feel this is my house too. Maybe a disclaimer written to say that the views expressed in the LIG forum are those of the author, and in no way represent your own would ease your mind a little.
Also a little faith in the posters to conduct themselves in a way that is acceptable to all, with the same faith in the moderators to keep it civil would be a good idea...Its how I function here, and hope everyone else does too.

[SHLEPROCK]

Jennie
I know what your saying and I too think that flaming is a problem but I haven't seen much that isn't just joking slams. But I don't moniter every subject.
If you think that there needs to something done about it, I think a suspension for a determined length of time to cool off is not unreasonable.
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sticks and stones may break my bones so please don't throw sticks and stones

[The Fishing Geek]

There is a common thread in these posts which I am going to highlight: name-calling will never win anyone to your cause. If you want to get people to listen to you, keep it all above the belt. Present the information as eloquently as you can, and then let someone else speak. Attacking the messenger instead of debating the message is a sign of mental weakness (I know, I've said that before).

So quit calling people names, ya ninnies! :tongue:

[happybrew]

I don't see too much that's offensive, apart from some name calling. To tell the truth, compared to Usenet, this is very tame. Perhaps rules should be set, and a topic posted regarding rules that is bumped to the top frequently. I've enjoyed discussing things with those I disagree with (Just about everybody! :shocked: ). Some of those on the right have displayed a side that I find unfortunate, being a conservative, and those on the left have given me a few things to think about, as well as some displaying a side I find unfortunate. I think that people will respect the moderators. When it was asked if abortion was an acceptable topic for discussion, the moderators said they didn't want it, and that was that. If the moderators don't want the work of keeping it tame, then by all means shut it down, and we will have done it to ourselves. I think a list of rules, though, would tell everyone what is expected of them, and I think people would comply, and the moderators wouldn't have as much work to do. By the way, if anyone has been complaining about me, I'd certainly like to know what those complaints are. I don't want to go around ticking people off.

happybrew

[RvW]

"ninnies"? you geek!

Your name calling statement is very valid, but go one step further, those who do resort to name calling are exposing themselves to far more ridicule than someone on the recieving end.

Maybe I do have one suggestion aside from keeping it real. REMOVE the edit option!

People will have to use spellcheckers, but at the same time, they will think twice about posting something which might be considered offensive.

Ive seen this used on a board I helped create and it does work.

Name calling is pathetic I agree, and though Ive done it to a certain degree myself, I dont think anyone really takes it personally, heck most of the people here calling each other names dont even know each other, how could it be offensive unless they did?

Look at Straydogs post above..."stupid redneck" COULD be offensive to someone here, but would it be offensive enough to delete, or make a fuss about?

Its harmless ribbing

[ 02-19-2003, 11:04 AM: Message edited by: cirrhosis-of-the-river ]

[Fshklr]

I saw this last week searchin the archives...It was posted in jest by Jen. Is this where LIG is headed? I think the Mods do a great job and most people will and do self moderate. Keep up the great work mods.
Quote: By Jen.
Because of what I have been through in the last 24 hours, we have initiated a new
registration process, and some new user rules.
It will include, but not be limited to:
Credit applications, cyber-maxillofacial-mapping, and retinal scans.
There is $100.00 security/cleaning deposit that will be forfeited when
(and everyone will be, at least once) you are banned from use.
Banning could happen for any reason or no reason at all, depending on my
mood. Look out!
Every post will now cost you $10.00 and be deducted from the bank of choice.
There will be a $15.00 charge for stupid posts.
A $2.00 surcharge will be imposed for "Yeah, but I agree, or Hey! I don't
agree!"
Pictures loaded on the Ifish site will cost $25.00 each, unless you can't
figure it out and write to me. Then a $50.00 per hour tutoring fee applies.
Pictures linked to other sites are $1.00, unless the other site is really
slow or requires a password, in which case they will be charged $50.00.
Lost passwords will cost $7.00, but if you ask for it before it has been
issued you will be charged $8.00 and the password will not be issued for a
week.
If you misspell Buoy, you will be charged $2000.00, but we will set up an
EZ pay plan.
Use of all caps will be charged $0.50 per letter. If you don't pay it
immediately, I will call and yell the entire post into your ear.
Statements offensive to others will cost $5.00 unless the offended party
agrees to accept an apology, in which case the fee is only $2.00. If not
the moderators have to help solve the problem, a $100.00 fee will be charged.
Angry posts could be deleted. Of course, any post could be deleted. You
just never know.
Off color, racist and sexually explicit statements will be evaluated on a
case by case basis ... I know pornography when I see it.
You may only have 27 monikers on ifish.net. All others will be
banned. However, multiple monikers will be revealed at inopportune
and embarrassing moments.
Some people are welcome, but we'll tolerate a lot of other people, too.
Thank you for being a part of ifish.net
Admin

[CATCH AND EAT]

Another vortex! Geek I agree!

[RvW]

Ive been thinking of how best to speak my mind on this issue and it occured to me that Ive got some great examples right here in front of me.

Birds.

Yes, genuine birds!

Macaws.

Lemme give a brief overview of a macaw and its behavior.

Macaws can live up to 80 years if cared for properly.

Macaws are very intelligent animals no doubt, but its common knowledge that no matter how "intelligent" they become, they will NEVER behave socially, or more responsibly than a 3 year old child will.

(Having had one of my birds for 14 years, I have no reason to doubt this.)

One thing I notice with these animals is that they have amazing judgement, which I think we could all learn from.

All of my birds, despite having the brain the size of half a cashew, instinctively know when to "say when". for example... Each bird knows exactly how hard it will have to bite you to inflict pain. Though these things are capable of taking a childs finger clean off if it so desired, they somehow understand that if they were to do this, the consequences are surely going to be extreme.

I think its amazing that a bird with a pea brian will bite me just hard enough to get my attention, but be able to rip through walnut shell with ease.

Maybe theres people here who need to apply the same logic? After all we are all perfectly capable of being rude and insulting, but do we have the pea brian that a bird does to know how far is tooo far? I hope so. I'd hate to see this portion of the board get closed down.

(And to call them "bird brains" would be an insult to my birds!)

[ 02-19-2003, 01:07 PM: Message edited by: cirrhosis-of-the-river ]

[Stratocaster]

Jennie, you could call it Politics In General or Crossfire or the Left vs. the Right, its why i hate politics in general, people sometimes abandon core beliefs to side with a party.You could limit the thread lengths maybe that would keep it on subject?

[Boedy]

Jen,

I think the LIG forum is pretty good at keeping things from getting to out of hand itself.

The thing that I like about this forum is that I do get to meet some of the people posting and you really never know who you are going to run into on the river and I think that keeps everyone inline. Unlike other internet chat rooms where you are never going to see anybody that you post to online there is a real possibility that you could meet someone from Ifish every time you go out so that keeps people from going off the deep end.

Sometimes a new person needs to be reminded that we are all friends and only disagree on a subject and it isn’t personal and I think we do a good job of policing ourselves when it comes to that. I have fished With COTR and although we don’t see eye to eye on all things we still like to fish and had a great time when we did get to go even when he doesn’t get up in time. :grin:

[ 02-19-2003, 01:34 PM: Message edited by: Boedy ]

[Stratocaster]

Well put Boedy, i couldnt of said it better

[id. painter]

Jen. I understand what your feeling. I dont look in this page often. I have a big life and lots of chances to argue with people. I avoid that at all costs. We are a country of different beliefs and life styles , but , i dont choose to use this forum to create more anxiety in my life by internet conflict . If having this page adds to your level anxiety, on a daily basis, get rid of it . We are here a very short while , we need to focus on the good and be positive each and every day of our lives. You dont have to tollerate the bad feelings you get from these kinds of conversations. I wouldnt. No way. I feel for you Jen. id. p.

[CATCH AND EAT]

Jen, if you want a true reading, and I hate saying this, but put it to a poll format. You will most likely get a better cross section of opinion and you wont even have to get CNN or Fox News involved. :grin:

I vote to shut it down for awhile Jennie. The name calling won't stop

[RvW]

with 3600 members and only a handful of people who actually use the forum, I'm afraid those who dont use it would vote to scrap it...

Not a fair approach IMO but maybe the three strikes thing mentioned could apply in a different respect than three strikes to a member.

How about three strikes for the forum and its locked down for a week?

I certainly wouldnt want to be the guy getting the strikes.

Mods are referees, it wouldnt take any more effort on their part to issue strikes.

[ 02-19-2003, 03:41 PM: Message edited by: cirrhosis-of-the-river ]

[STGRule]

COTR: the only problem with that is the vast majority would indeed not want to be the one. However, somebody with a grudge could do it on purpose because they felt like it and shut us all down. I vote for the individual strikes. Maybe some gentle (e-mail) from the rest of us would remind those that get too excited.

[Stz ll]

That's one strike for Stew. :grin:

[RvW]

Good point STG

I think this whole thing might be a little too magnified anyway, seems Jennie "prefers" to let those who use this forum conduct themselves apropriately, self moderation. Due to this thread, I will certainly make every effort to avoid being abbrasive (Born in Boston, its a "geo-ill") and preview my posts before clicking the ole "add" button.

Maybe just delete an entire thread that contains an insulting or blaitant violation of decency and start over..this would certainly slow things down.

[speyfly]

I love this country, LIG and I promise not to call george or anyone else names

[ 02-19-2003, 04:05 PM: Message edited by: speyfly ]

[STGRule]

Now thats not a bad idea. With the attention span of some and the advanced age of others of us, we would forget what we were fighting about if we couldn't re-read and had to start over.

[RogueFishr]

I would hate to see the LIG forum closed down. There is quite a diverse group that posts here. Some from the left wing, some from the right wing, some on the fence, and even a few from the tail-feather area :grin: . I agree the name calling should not get out of hand, and maybe the 3 strike rule is a good choice. It should not however create more work for you. The discussion can become heated and remain civilized at the same time. If someone doesn't like a certain topic or opinion, they should skip it and move on. I have enjoyed reading posts of contrary opinion (to mine) and have re-evaluated several of my own beliefs as a result. I would hate to see the LIG go away.

RF

[Thumper]

I am very willing to show the same courtesy to Ifishers as they do unto others. Fair is fair.

[ 02-19-2003, 04:50 PM: Message edited by: Thumper ]

[CATCH AND EAT]

I changed my opinion. :depressed:

[ 03-05-2003, 08:20 AM: Message edited by: CATCH AND EAT ]

[Hogmaster]

I suggest we all have macaws for dinner!

And Beody, I still am Dutch!

For the rest of you, I agree that it is the name calling that is really the problem. But it isn't just the name calling of the ifish members. That is obviously the worst, and I too believe that a strike policy might work for that kind of thing.

But I also believe it is innapropriate to call other people names as well.

Here's the deal, for all of you impashioned positioners. I persoanlly am farily centrist in political leanings. I have joked about a certain reedie being a ******, and a duck to be a shoeless homeless hemp head. Joked. But when I read that so and so believes that some political figure is a [insert insult here], I do not put much credence in the rest of the post. If you want to change my opinion, do it without insults. And remember, I am not as pashionate as some of the folks who some people seem to be trying to sway (and I still say never happens anyway). So if you are trying to persuade, elequent arguments will do better than emotional tirades.

One other thing. LIG tends to have people making posts that tend to be better communicators than some of the rest of the general ifish populace. That is good. How the arguments are presented is what I think this is all about...

[ultralight]

But in fairness to those who resort to name-calling, what would they then post when name calling is banned? Are we ready to accept the consequences when these people go insane?

[lost_sailor]

AND exactly WHAT is going on in COTR's avatar ??

[RvW]

Hog..10k a plate and Ill throw in the gravy. But you might be eating a more intelligent species...I dont think thats how the food chain works is it?

Click HERE Sailor

I admit, its a little hard to grasp being so small in the aloted avatar space...Im just not really interested in looking for a different one at the moment, and courage leaned so far to the left that he could only walk in circles...besides, he was very disturbed by being called a sheep.

Doggy prozak and a little seclusion should do him some good.

[ 02-19-2003, 06:12 PM: Message edited by: cirrhosis-of-the-river ]

[fishin_lisa]

I, too, am in favor of keeping a minimally censored, active, honest and dynamic forum to discuss ideas and opinions on diverse subjects. Calling someone a jerk or a stupid, within context, is acceptable, in my view. However, what's not so edifying is someone whose primary motive is to verbally assault and tear down those who he/she disagree with. Their pattern becomes quite evident in short order, and they can be banished after a few warnings.

And as a group, we can exercise to ignore those who continues to misbehave and they will get bored and leave or modify their habits.
Jen, I appreciate your patience and perseverance. Keep up the good work!

[TJB]

I have seen this same thing happening all over. It is not limited to Ifish. We are in a very emotional time and some of it is spilling over. This forum is a fairly accurate measure of what our whole country is going through. But that does not mean that because one feels strongly about a position that it is ok to ridicule someone that feels differently. There are already established rules of conduct for Ifish and they should be enforced. Especially in these stressful times.

[AuntyM]

I remember when I would find more jokes and funny personal stories here than anything else. Then a dozen or so "bullys" moved into the neighborhood and make this their school yard. Well, you aren't going to get MY lunch money! [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img]

When moderators get challenged and/or bashed for doing their job, it's time to shut it down temporarily and give those bullys a time out in the principals office.

And frankly, this ISN"T happening everywhere. In many of our Washington communities, (where we have so many active duty personel), we are cherishing every minute we are not at war. I am experiencing politeness and kindness everywhere I go!

[Straydog]

"Ban the nets!"

Ahhh, how kind........... just makes ya all warm and fuzzy, now dosen't it?

Is there such a thing as a kind bully? :whazzup:

[ 02-21-2003, 08:13 AM: Message edited by: Straydog ]

[Cool Texan]

I dont think this board is destroying iFish at all. The lack of fish and the zipperlipping maybe....but not this board. This board is more comical than anything else, as everyone is an expert on here. :tongue:

[CATCH AND EAT]

Originally posted by Cool Texan:
This board is more comical than anything else, as everyone is an expert on here. :tongue:

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">No I'm not! An expert that is. :grin:

[ 02-21-2003, 09:39 AM: Message edited by: CATCH AND EAT ]

[Cool Texan]

C&E, I know for a fact that you are an expert. Don't question me, as I am never wrong and I have perfect answers despite inperfect information. I also know the roots of all evil, the answers to all geopolitical issues, and how to build an airplane out of popsicle sticks (I watch McGyver)!!!

:grin:

[happybrew]

I don't need to be an expert. The world was created entirely for my convenience and satisfaction, so anybody who disagrees with me automatically is doing something that could be unsatisfactory to me, even if they are right. Therefore, nobody should ever disagree with me, no matter how wrong I am. It goes against the purpose for which the world was created, and is thus morally disordered, even if factually correct.


happybrew

[garyk]

Jen, I think LIG provides valuable space for folks to discuss, debate, rant, lament, advocate, and share the issues that are important to them.

All this builds community - I think we'd agree this is a good thing.

Harsh name calling is a strategy used to stifle opposing views. It would be a shame to let those people (you know who you are)ultimately stifle LIG if you chose to close it.

[Wood N' Fish]

I'm not going to wax phylosophic on this subject, if you don't like it-----move on.

[FishBowl]

close it down and for the rest of ya just go fishin
that means you too speyfly
oh I forgot you don't fish

[The Fishing Geek]

Originally posted by Crambone:
close it down and for the rest of ya just go fishin
that means you too speyfly
oh I forgot you don't fish

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">I hardly think that was necessary. Must we continue the personal attacks? I think not. I think that we as anglers are better than this. Or at least that we can be if we realy want to be.

[STGRule]

Geek, Geek, let us practice shunning. Sometimes when it is ignored, it gets bored and goes home.