Disappointed

Carver_OR · 05-25-2009, 06:45 PM

I guess I should have known that someone would recognize where the pictures where taken of all the large smallies my son and his wife and I caught and RELEASED last week. Went back this week and a group was camped on the spot catching and killing them. They said they read it on Ifish..Duh. Never again will I post pictures or tell the area on a river that we catch fish on.

Pat
www.holdzit.com

raptorschild · 05-25-2009, 06:59 PM

Thats a bummer man. Power of the internet. The only places I usually share here....are community holes that everyone already knows about.

For every 1 person who regularly posts here.....there is at least 10 that don't who are blatantly scouting via the internet. All they are looking to do is piggy back your hard work.

The good news....Is that those spots will always hold big smallmouth. Others will fill in.....trust me.

raptorschild · 05-25-2009, 07:02 PM

What you might want to do is edit your post....so that further damage isnt done. I just re-looked at your post...and one of those pics has a clue in the background that would make it easy to recognize if someone had been there before.

good luck...and again...the fish those people kept are a very small piece of what is there, and what will be there for years to come.

rodholder1 · 05-25-2009, 07:03 PM

Sorry to hear that report, I love seeing the posts with pics to back it up but unfortunately you have to be vary careful how you post the picks,lots of folks check this sight and not all are sportsman. I applaud your first post and honesty

but maybe a tough lesson learned.

Blacktailfiend · 05-25-2009, 07:11 PM

Thats the only negative thing about posting pics on Ifish. Every time I see pics on here that I can easily tell where they are I just shake my head and think they can kiss that spot goodbye.I would love to post some pics on here but Ive seen pics of some of the a few of areas I used to fish and now theres people in those areas always. Eaters and c&r fisherman and thats fine but if I ever do post a pic of a fish on here you can bet I didnt catch it there or even close. I would be willing to bet it wasnt Ifishers but lurkers who recongized your spot and went to check it out. Its a tough lesson to learn I just hope that wasnt your best spot......Good luck.......

Big Unit · 05-25-2009, 07:21 PM

Remember, yer always fishing East Hebo Stream/River/Lake/ditch....anything, but the truth!

BU

team doyle · 05-25-2009, 08:03 PM

pat,
i get a terrible feeling about this.
in the past i've been liberal in my photo sharing,
maybe this marks the end of the road for me too.
empathetic,
joe

STGRule · 05-25-2009, 08:04 PM

I do need to point out one small thing. If they hadn't already been to the place at least once before, all the pictures in the world are not going to help unless there is a sign in the picture that says where they are.

But yes, the sad thing is they figured out that it was good to go back to.

Super Fluke · 05-25-2009, 08:10 PM

This is the only thing that bothers me about ifish. People can learn to much without putting in the work. Also, if people see where other people are catching fish they will go there. This is how places get over populated. I think this has to do a little bit with why coastal streams are getting over populated for salmon and steelhead. This is just my .02

Now I always edit my photos or I take the picture so people can't see where I am. Sorry to hear about your report.

Carver_OR · 05-25-2009, 08:23 PM

I tried to remove a couple of the pictures but couldn't but I did remove the river name.

Pat
www.holdzit.com

Finscent · 05-25-2009, 08:23 PM

In people's ability to spell.

1bigfish · 05-26-2009, 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blacktailfiend

...if I ever do post a pic of a fish on here you can bet I didnt catch it there or even close...

Less then a year ago there was a thread about using livewells. I posted that I do use mine at times and one of the reasons is so that I can take my pics far from where the fish were caught. People gave me a hard time about it but it will never stop me from taking pics far from where the fish was caught. Of couse I have seen people fishing the hole where the pics are taken.

Trust me when I say that some people whill stop at nothing to find your favorite spot. I have actaully had people follow me around on the Willy in Salem. Flippnbaits was with me one time and we decided to see just how long the other boat would follow us around before they gave up. So we ran up and down the river for about an hour. We would stop make 2 cast and then pull up and move again. It was kind of fun since it was a slow day anyhow. I almost felt like asking them if the really thought I was that good and wanted an autograph. In this case I doubt it was an ifisher because anyone who reads enough of my report would not waste their time following me.

Mtnbd · 05-26-2009, 07:22 AM

Don't worry about telling me where your hot spots are, I always practice catch and release! I haven't kept a bass or trout in 5 years and those were some carry-overs in Detroit Res.

basshunter · 05-26-2009, 10:31 AM

I hope Roger (EBG) reads this post and thinks second about re posting all of his "go to this spot" maps. Sites like this are a great place to share ideas within a C-n-R community...unfortunately this post is proof that information taken here will be used by the "meat" crowd to "fill up the bucket"

tight lines,
Greg

Jet-Man · 05-26-2009, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carver_OR

I guess I should have known that someone would recognize where the pictures where taken of all the large smallies my son and his wife and I caught and RELEASED last week. Went back this week and a group was camped on the spot catching and killing them. They said they read it on Ifish..Duh. Never again will I post pictures or tell the area on a river that we catch fish on.

Pat
www.holdzit.com

Way out here I don't have to think about that, No one lives here and it's to far from way out there >>..

haringsjosh · 05-26-2009, 10:49 AM

I highly suggest editing your original post. The pictures of very obvious for anyone who knows the river, next time go to shore and take pictures with nothing obvious in the background. I posted one picture one time and the next day had several people in my spot after not seeing anyone for a week before that. Sorry your spot has been found but trust me, theres many more out there. Just next time take a picture with no background, also, photoshop does a great job for deleting backgrounds.

raptorschild · 05-26-2009, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by basshunter

I hope Roger (EBG) reads this post and thinks second about re posting all of his "go to this spot" maps. Sites like this are a great place to share ideas within a C-n-R community...unfortunately this post is proof that information taken here will be used by the "meat" crowd to "fill up the bucket"

tight lines,
Greg

You are right....All including roger should be careful about their pics. I've found it very easy to take pics by placing the camera in a low position in order to reduce the Telling shoreline background.

I think people should post MORE pics....just review them and make sure there are no telling landmarks in the background.

raptorschild · 05-26-2009, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carver_OR

I tried to remove a couple of the pictures but couldn't but I did remove the river name.

Pat
www.holdzit.com

Its not the river name that is going to kill you. Its the fact that this is a predominantly Portland based site, and many people have driven by those beached logs, and know the EXACT HOLE. no guesswork whatsoever.

If you need help deleting then ask a mod.....Trust me....they can take down anything.

Hunt'nFish · 05-26-2009, 01:12 PM

Pat, camped on the spot in a boat...or Camping & fishing from shore?
Hunt'nFish

boblag · 05-26-2009, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STGRule

I do need to point out one small thing. If they hadn't already been to the place at least once before, all the pictures in the world are not going to help unless there is a sign in the picture that says where they are.

But yes, the sad thing is they figured out that it was good to go back to.

As I'm sure many of us can attest, this is not true.

crownpoint54 · 05-26-2009, 04:33 PM

If they were camped where I think they were, they were camped illegally. That island is privately owned and they don't allow camping. It used to be posted, but somebody took the signs.

Carver_OR · 05-26-2009, 04:47 PM

Pat, camped on the spot in a boat...or Camping & fishing from shore?
Hunt'nFish .......

Hunt'nfish....
They came by boat and then camped on the spot and fished from the shore when my son talked to them.

Pat
www.holdzit.com

Carver_OR · 05-26-2009, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jet-Man

Way out here I don't have to think about that, No one lives here and it's to far from way out there >>..

The title of the thread with the pictures is " A herd of smallies" It's on the second page back.

Pat
www.holdzit.com

BassinJay · 05-26-2009, 09:32 PM

makes me think twice about posting my pics, i think from here on out ill just take them in a manner that the spot is not totally recognizable...

one of the wrost thing i have heard recently is a gentlemen i work with saw a guy out on a lake with a freaking bucket load of smallmouth, def. over the limit!! stuff really urks me!! i wish i was there, would have been nice to inform him of the laws here in washington!!!

team doyle · 05-27-2009, 07:49 AM

this thread serves as a good gut-check for all of us.
i think, in our enthusiasm and joy for sharing our successes, we post pictures.
it's fun! it's natural. and it's great for all of us avid/respectful bass anglers. but i have done some soul searching as a result of this infraction.

the willamette is just too small for us to unknowingly give tips and guidance to the meat-eaters. from here forward, if i do post anything, it's going to be vague and not supported by photos. which kind of begs the question: 'why post at all?'
blacktailfiend's comments are well taken.
joe

Hunt'nFish · 05-27-2009, 09:47 AM

Guys, I haven't gotten a PM back from Pat yet... but I believe it was me that was camped there.
You all know I fish & camp the Willy w/ my kids a lot during the summer.
We weren't encroaching on his area....I thought he was encroaching on MY area.

However, if it was me he saw, which I think it was, I didn't say I saw it on IFish....I simply asked, if HE was on IFish. Just simply extending a friendly handshake to say hi. He said NO.
We never fished from camp when his son was fishing, and I never kept a fish all weekend. Besides Willy fish...mercury/PCBs/etc..

but I did tell him we'd caught a couple that pushed 16" or so.

There were other people camped on the river, so perhaps it was another camp.

Please don't let this board go quiet w/ reports and pics.
Yes, maybe give thought to the pics you take/post and certainly be vauge about where you fish....if you care that is. But please don't stop posting reports and pics. I love seeing how everyone is doing and who caught what on what section of river. Helps me understand if I wasn't the only one having a great day..or a bad day. Also helps me compare techniques others were using on that same day and if maybe I should'a did something differant.

When I get a chance I'll post up a camping/bass'n report thread myself.
But I'll have to get the pics off the phone, edited, and uploaded first.
Didn't do a lot of fishing, but it was a good weekend on the river w/ my girls. Mom had to work.
Hunt'nFish

raptorschild · 05-27-2009, 11:07 AM

Interesting....

Midnghtshdow · 05-27-2009, 07:28 PM

I can understand where some of you are coming from. I had a place where no one really went to and I could go there and pull fish out all day, such as how I had the last bass of 08

. Well one day I saw some guys down there and I had seen them befor and they never caught nothing and they would watch me pull fish out and would get frustrated. So I asked them if they are fishin for keeps or for fun. They said for fun. So I showed them an easy way to catch them.. I went down there a week later and saw them and they were in my HONEY HOLE. I was no biggy, the guy showed me a pic of the 5lb smally he caught! I was jelouse and was happy for him. Well went there a couple days later and there was like 12 people there. I was not reall happy. Now to say there is not a fish left, I went there and used to pull out at least 10 bass in a hour and after 2 months of many people fishin i could not even see a single fish. I am not too mad about it cause there are other places

I would like to say one thing about how you guys think Roger should hide his places. I have known Roger since I was a little guy and I dont think it would bother him one bit. He would prob pull right up next to you and intoduce him self and ask you how you are doing. Then if you are not doing good show you how to put some on your boat. Roger is awsome I think the only thing that would bother him is if you were trying to keep them. I have never met a guy that will almost get on his knees and beg you to put a bass back in the water. It is pretty funny some times. Well guys keep up the good work and fishing and trust me if you find someone in your hole don't get mad. Just think, your the one who knows how to find them so you can do it again, and it makes you a better fisherman gets you more well rounded with fishin. Good Luck bassers!

stlhdrgrn · 05-28-2009, 06:09 AM

I have to admit that I recognized the area also. Been there fished that but never as lucky as you. I didn't go chase your report but appreciated knowing that their are still some good ones in the vacinity. I agree check the background of your pictures but please don't stop posting them, most of use arn't report chasers but injoy a good fishing report.

Mike

Smj · 05-29-2009, 06:13 AM

15-20 years or so ago I used to catch a lot of smallmouth between the falls and PDX, in certain places. It's much tougher now that all you people are fishing, and all the formerly easy bass are weary and harder to catch. I want you all to stop it, just go away and fish only for salmon and steelhead. It's not as fun as it used to be because now I have to work for them more than I did all those years ago.

What a bunch of ******* whiners! Some of you are so special (in your own minds) you must think you're the Linder brothers or something. There's about a billion smallmouth out there, if you think a few people eating them is going to do any harm to the population, I personaly think you're nuts.

Many years ago you never caught smallies out in the main current of the Columbia, now you do. Try fishing the Willamette in late June, go up to any rocky shore line and pitch a camo grub or worm to an inch of water and reel fast and drop, fast and drop. I'll just about garantee you'll get hits every time, every where, from little fish. What do little fish do? they grow into bigger fish! There's just no shortage of smallies, and when someone comes to a spot and takes a few, others will move in to replace them.

These fish will take care of themselves just fine. We may even be doing the anadromous fish a favor by removing some of the larger ones. We may even be doing ourselves a favor by allowing the average size to get bigger!!

Personally, myself and my wife release 99.9% of the bass we catch, mainly because we always have bags of perch fillets in the freezer. I also think smallies are a pain in the butt to clean, maybe 'cause a few hundred(s) of those 9" perch over the years is so much easier.

IMO you guys are getting all worked up over nothing. I cring when I see photos of someone fishing the same rock pile, or river bend, as that means when I go back there the fish won't bite my offerings because of the pressure from all the people that saw the posting.

I say we'd be better off to educate people to stay within their limits, which means, take the medium sized and the one or two OVER 15" as per the regs. (I don't even remember what it is). We could probably even increase the limit!

Eat 'em and enjoy 'em!

Smj

bassin newbie · 05-29-2009, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smj

15-20 years or so ago I used to catch a lot of smallmouth between the falls and PDX, in certain places. It's much tougher now that all you people are fishing, and all the formerly easy bass are weary and harder to catch. I want you all to stop it, just go away and fish only for salmon and steelhead. It's not as fun as it used to be because now I have to work for them more than I did all those years ago.

What a bunch of ******* whiners! Some of you are so special (in your own minds) you must think you're the Linder brothers or something. There's about a billion smallmouth out there, if you think a few people eating them is going to do any harm to the population, I personaly think you're nuts.

controversial?

salembassin · 05-29-2009, 08:57 AM

Eat 'em and enjoy 'em!

Smallmouth bass are slow growing fish so if everyone went out there and kept their limit each time they fished we would be left with nothing but a bunch of dinks. Thats why the Big K section of the lower Umpqua is so good, all catch and release and more 20" plus smallmouth than you can count.

Mtnbd · 05-29-2009, 09:23 AM

http://www.deq.state.or.us/wq/pubs/f...lfishstudy.pdf

Study findings

High levels of several chemical contaminants�
particularly mercury and PCBs�were found in
many tissue samples of all four fish species
analyzed.
Cancer risks:

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There is an increased cancer risk for the
general public, recreational anglers and
subsistence anglers who consume fish fillets
and whole fish from the Middle Willamette
River for all four fish species.

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This increased risk of cancer is due
primarily to PCBs and, to a lesser extent,
dioxins and the pesticides aldrin, dieldrin
and DDE.

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Subsistence anglers have cancer risks 19
times that of the general population, while
recreational anglers have cancer risks that
are 2.3 times that of the general public.
Non-cancer risks:

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This study also found other, non-cancercausing
human health risks, such as immune
system dysfunction or developmental
impacts, for certain population groups due to
exposure to concentrations of mercury and
PCBs. Children, women of child-bearing
age, and adult anglers who consume fish for

subsistence have the highest health risks.

MXRacer105 · 05-29-2009, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by salembassin

Smallmouth bass are slow growing fish so if everyone went out there and kept their limit each time they fished we would be left with nothing but a bunch of dinks. Thats why the Big K section of the lower Umpqua is so good, all catch and release and more 20" plus smallmouth than you can count.

+1000... well put and great example w/ the Big K portion of the Umpqua. I have heard a 4lbs smallie in Oregon is a 7 year old fish.... that is pretty impressive IMO.

And people wonder why other fisheries suffer while bass continue to prosper? If you kill every fish you catch, the fishery will suffer. That is a fact.

raptorschild · 05-29-2009, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smj

What a bunch of ******* whiners! Some of you are so special (in your own minds) you must think you're the Linder brothers or something. There's about a billion smallmouth out there, if you think a few people eating them is going to do any harm to the population, I personaly think you're nuts.

If your going to bring my name into this...at least spell it right. Its L.I.N.D.N.E.R!!!!

There's actually not that many big smallmouth in the PDX area.....There will be even less if people think its "normal" or socially acceptable to keep the biggest fish.

Our hobby will have big fish for years if we educate people to eat all the 12-14 inchers they can stomach. Every 5lber that gets caught takes 10 years to replace.....Our sport is becoming more and more popular.....That is a recipe for disaster if people don't voice their concerns and deter people from keeping the bigguns. If that sounds "whinerish"....you right....but sometimes whining gets a point across rather effectively. Squeeky wheel, and all that.....

By the time people realize that big fish CAN be seriously depleted here in the NW.....It will be too late to do anything about it. Yeah Dinkfest!!!! Oh wait....that's pretty much already the case in the Willy, LBC, and lower columbia. Just look at the pics on this site. VERY RARELY a 5lb fish posted, or even a 4lb for that matter.

Just look at the Bass friendly areas of Tri Cities, and Moses lake.....compare the pics of smallies that come out of that water compared to PDX area. Check out WAfish.com if you need examples...... There are other variables, but you'll notice 5lb smallmouth are fairly routine up here. except on my rod.....

If ex-bass guide lived up here....it'd be only 400 bass per year, but they'd average about 3.5 lbs, and I bet he'd pull some 6lbers every year with the amount of time he spends on the water.

arkansasbasser · 05-29-2009, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raptorschild

There will be even less if people think its "normal" or socially acceptable to keep the biggest fish.

Our hobby will have big fish for years if we educate people to eat all the 12-14 inchers they can stomach. Every 5lber that gets caught takes 10 years to replace......

The bigguns are fun to catch but not very good eating anyway. Too much fat and the meat is not firm. They just don't have the taste like the smaller ones. The perfect size for eating is 2 lbs and under. And I wouldn't even think of eating bass from the Willy.

As far as pics are concerned, yeah, they are fun to look at. But IMO, there are too many "bragger" posts w/pics and no helpful info, ie; bait, depth, structure, etc. You haven't contributed 1 thing to anybody if all you do is hold up some fish and say "look at my fish I caught". To me it's no big loss if you don't post pics if that's all you're going to do.

If you choose to post them though, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to take them in a manner that doesn't give anything away.

Smj · 05-30-2009, 05:51 AM

Hmmm...I guess I never even took the time to notice it's spelled L.I.N.D.N.E.R !! Havn't suscribed to In-Fisherman for many many years.

Thanks for not getting all POed Raptorschild, and others, at my suggestion that it just might be OK to eat some smallies. And the health studies are something else that would make me think a bit. But IF I were eating the fish the fat, of which there is little on a smallie, is mostly trimmed off and of course I wouldn't be eating the organs. Sometimes I wonder how anyone survived a few years ago, with all the naturally occuring metals and such in our food that have been the for ever, but now we test for every thing and have all these dire warnings for what can happen to you from ingestion!

Salembassin, IMO the Umpqua would be a fine fishery for some eating fish. From every thing I've heard there's a massive poulation of bass in that river, and not a whole lot of access for the general public. I don't believe the Big K has any special regs set up just for the people that can afford to stay there, the Umpqua is a public waterway and the regs, as far as I know are the same throughout for bass. I find it hard to believe that the bass population could ever be hurt there with the lack of access. And I can't believe that the bass population on the Umpqua isn't detrimental to the anadramous fish, during the latter part of migration at least.

I 'm not one of those that say "Kill 'em all, there eating my smolts", far from it. It just seems a little strange to talk bass amongst us on the web, show pics of bass, compliment those pics, and then become upset when you find someone else in a spot you fish that may be keeping some, or a limit. If the Willamette/Columbia were to start looking like the airport stretch during springer season then YES, we'd certainly have a problem, but it's a teeny tiny fraction of that that fishes for bass now, thank goodness.

Smj

Smoked Salmon · 05-30-2009, 03:49 PM

Folks, this is a good discussion for the most part, but as JCMDave points out in this thread, this board is for the discussion of catching bass and panfish. It's not about salmon, and it's not about extending personal decisions on keeping and eating, or releasing the fish to the community at large. Some practice catch n release, some practice catch to eat, and some do a little of both. It's great to read about the biology of the fish, and 10 years is a long time, but there is not a place to attack others for the legal decisions they make. I guess what I'm suggesting is to demonstrate ethics, rather than demand them.

Peace,