War Protest!

[happybrew]

A little point of clarification: they have not found any WMD's. That doesn't mean they don't have them. There are large numbers of WMD's that they used to have for which they cannot account for their destruction, nor can they find them. They may still have them. I am opposed to war in Iraq at this time as well, however, I think the peace movement continually fails to ignore the real concerns that those pushing for war have.

happybrew

[The Fishing Geek]

Originally posted by GutshotApe:
Lisa - Do you think you know as much about the threat Iraq poses to our security as does Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, etc.? :whazzup:

I sort of doubt it .

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">I'm willing to bet that Lisa doesn't have as much financial interest as at least a couple of those men do in going to war in Iraq. Don't be confused by the fact that they may not be getting money NOW. Trust me, they'll get right back into the oil business when they get out.

[TheTexan]

Meet in the middle of the I-5 bridge, don't worry if no one else is around, they have already left. Just gather some of the pixie dust and apply from head to toe. Take a leap off of the bridge, second star to the right is Never Never Land. [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img]

[24 on/ 48 off]

Lisa,

While it is apparent that others may not support your views, I happen to support your freedom to speak your mind.

It's too bad that others must ridicule your position, when defending our freedoms is what GW Bush says this war is all about.

--spud-- :smile:

[northriver1]

The issue of oil is a red herring.. If we wanted the oil all we would have to do is lift the embargo and buy it. No loss of life, no cost of war and the price may be cheap as the market place is flooded with product.

[Big Willie]

Have fun Lisa, give all the other protesters a GREAT BIG HUG!

I just don't understand the way you people operate. Didn't the events of 9/11/01 ring any bells??? There are people out there who want to kill us AND our way of life, don't you understand that?

[GutshotApe]

I'm willing to bet that Lisa doesn't have as much financial interest as at least a couple of those men do in going to war in Iraq. Don't be confused by the fact that they may not be getting money NOW. Trust me, they'll get right back into the oil business when they get out. [/QB]

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">Northriver 1 is right, it would be much cheaper to just buy the oil.

And, Geek, maybe I'm just too naive, or something, to get it, but what would be the motivation of Bush or Cheney (and others?) to keep on working after their Whitehouse stint? Bush doesn't need the money or prestige - he's the PRESIDENT!!! He's rich already!!! Same thing for Cheney. Filthy rich. Bad heart. Others?

So what would be their motivation? I think you're too cynical about this.

[ultralight]

Originally posted by GutshotApe:

Bush doesn't need the money or prestige - he's the PRESIDENT!!! He's rich already!!! Same thing for Cheney. Filthy rich. Bad heart. Others?

So what would be their motivation? I think you're too cynical about this.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">That's so true. We all know that once people become millionaires they lose all motivation to make more.

[northriver1]

So true Ultralight, we saw that with the last President.

Lisa,
Be sure to wear your burka.

[Bait O' Eggs]

When I hear radio broadcast from wackos that want all Americans killed and urging followers to do suicide bombings on Americans I become concerned. (and dont even try to tell me we made those tapes ) Even though I dont understand the jibberish he speaks, I believe the translators, that are telling me what he said.

I say we go hunt and kill them and their friends in terrorism, all of them. It wouldnt hurt to run their head up the flag pole for a few days at the white house to make a statement around the world. Hunt until you have the head you went after, their is no end to the hunting season. Quitting short of the objective this time is not acceptable.

9/11 was bad, a couple tons of chemical weapons, or a couple dirty bombs in the US would be really really bad and do far more damage. I am all for preventing such acts at any cost. It was our forefathers that stood up and fought for America a couple hundred years ago, and we are just continuing the fight for a way of life before it is taken from us.

Bush's Texas supporters that have oil interest making a few extra billion in oil prices is just a bonus for GWB. It is not the reason GWB is preparing to charge.

The strong will always have to protect the weak.

I have to ask myself if the people who wrote the constitution that we are so fond of, would be proud of me for my position in defending it today. If the writers would have tucked there tail in the beginning we wouldnt be Americans today. There are those that will use the 1st amendment to speak their mind, but wont fight to defend the way of life the amendment brings. :depressed:

I hate posting to these types of topics, because their is no changing anybodys postion. I just needed to voice my position in favor of trying to keep our borders safe by eliminating the threat.

Godspeed to our troops

[ 02-14-2003, 02:30 PM: Message edited by: Bait O' Eggs ]

[Cool Texan]

Lisa, yes, there will be a protest in Portland tomorrow. THe schedule of protests is as follows:

Saturday - No war against Iraq
Sunday - Stop the logging
Monday - 28 or Bust
Tuesday - No More SUV's
Wednesday - Starbucks sucks
Thursday - Diet Dr. Pepper really does taste more like regular Dr. Pepper
Friday - Hey Its Friday, Time to Protest Day

Please plan accordingly. Remember, you must bring your own patchouli oils, hemp sign making materials, etc. I know they're hard to keep track of since there are protests every other day in Portland...but dont let that discourage you, the sheer frequency and vague nature of them only adds to your credibility.

Peace and sunflowers to you my child. [img]graemlins/dork.gif[/img]

(editors note: 100% b.s. and sarcasm and the hippie protestors expense)

[Lunker]

Have we forgotten what happened on 911 already? We've lost 3000 innocent lives by savage attackers. Have we also forgotten about the ***** and the imperial Japanese? There are millions of wacko suicide bombers lurking all over the world and we need to stop them at all cost. If we don't stop them before they attack us, we will regret it forever.

We fought in the Civil War, the War of 1812, the Viewnam Conflict, the French war, the Cold War, the WWII, the Himalyan War, the War of 7 Days, the Veterans of Foreign Wars, the Star War. Many of our forefathers gave their lives for our republic and our freedom.

So we must stop all and every threat that exists right now. I think we should blow up the whole world right now. They all hate us and there are WMDs all over the world. Let's just nuke the whole planet...yeah, that's the ticket. Let's not think logically or even verify whether they're a threat to us.

We just need to get our minds together and just blow up the whole world. No need for rational and reasonable dialogue with anyone, we just need to rally around the president and JUST DO IT. We're the most powerful country in the world, and we don't need to seek anyone else's approval. Let's just bully around the little countries, cause they can't do anything to us. We're the baddest and there is nothing we need to consider but our own welfare. Hell with the rest of the world's children and their sufferings, we've got plenty of problems here, too.

We just need to stop with this dissension and just get it over with, and then there will be no one to disagree with us. Forget the nation building, why not just nuke the whole country. Who cares about what happens to the Iraqis? Just go to war!

[ 02-14-2003, 02:49 PM: Message edited by: Lunker ]

[Big Willie]

Cool Texan...you forgot about the cartoons on Saturday MORNING. I hear Bugs Bunny is a little violent.

Lisa, I hope you wake up and smell the coffee soon. :smile:

[The Fishing Geek]

Originally posted by Big Willie:
Have fun Lisa, give all the other protesters a GREAT BIG HUG!

I just don't understand the way you people operate. Didn't the events of 9/11/01 ring any bells??? There are people out there who want to kill us AND our way of life, don't you understand that?

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">Oh that's RIGHT! It was Iraqi's who flew those planes into the WTC. Well, they were Muslim, and they're all the same, aren't they?

And all those people protesting are all just hippie wannabe's. No need to get to know them when a simple stereotype will do.

It sure must be warm and cozy in a world where things are so black and white and everything is spoonfed.

[nerta]

:depressed: Lisa : Maybe you would like to stand in front of my son-in-law while he protects your rights to protest. Go ARMY is his MOTO. Or my son while he crawls around the mountains near Pakistan. He may want some in front of him. Sempra Fi is his MOTO! Have a good time in Portland and don't forget someone is looking out for you.

[TheTexan]

http://www.defendamerica.mil/nmam.html

I figure no better place than here to post this link. It is to show your support for our troops.

[monoman]

Nerta
I will tip one for you son tonight, I have one just like that! Just talked to him, I love those guys..Uncle Sams Misguide Children....sent his sweetheart a dz rose from the internet with his kevlar on!

[SLEDDER]

Camel head does have WMD. Extremely easy to hide and move. Saw a few samples with my own eyes during the '91 gulf war. People are fools if they don't think the weapons exist. Keep dreaming your dream. I live in a world of realism.

[Boedy]

The UN inspectors couldn’t find water if they fell out of a boat. Iraq is hiding all of their WMD and the inspectors are not going to find anything unless Iraq shows them right where they are and that aint going to happen. You could give them 100 years and they still wouldn’t find anything.

[Sea Nymph]

hey Lisa, don't forget to bring a good supply of bricks. For throwing through the windows of police cars and innocent shop keeper's windows while you are advocating peace here in peace loving Portland with the rest of the peace loving demonstrators.

Don't miss Starbucks too!

[ 02-14-2003, 08:42 PM: Message edited by: Keta ]

[roadsend]

What are Hans Blix and the other naysayers going to say when free Iraqis show our troops the hidden WMDs after The War of Iraqui Liberation?
Remember the only smoking gun is the one which has just been fired.
Do the liberals want to wait until gas or bio is used in our cities?

road,
They'll still whine and cry about the children!

[Norm]

Go for it fishin_lisa, when we stop questioning our government is when we are in for some real trouble. Our government has lied to us before and it will happen again. Seems to me most of the 9/11 attacker's were from Saudi Arabia, not Iraq. Seems like we could do more good cleaning up terrorists in Saudi Arabia. I personally don't see the upside from a war on Iraq, lots of downside. We wouldn't care if they didn't have oil. I wouldn't want to send my son over to die in Iraq based on the information they supplied so far. Trading American lives for oil is wrong. If this was in defense of our country, I would proudly offer my service, just not for oil. This is why America is so great, free speach and free ideas.

[Boedy]

One country at a time Norm we will get around to all of them wait and see. At least the Saudi Government it trying to help us unlike Iraq. Would you rather them be our enemy?

[ 02-14-2003, 09:14 PM: Message edited by: Boedy ]

Boedy,
I think they are.

[Boedy]

God knows they are two faced but we need them frendly for now.

[True]

fishin_lisa,

Don't let these guys bully you. When they feel threatened they will make fun of you much like young kids will when someone in their crowd stands out and doesn't bow down to their bullying tactics.

Remember that there is a difference between National Defense and an Overseas Offensive. What are we doing? Oh, that's right, pre-emptive strike. What was I thinking? So, then North Korea's way of thinking isn't too far off then, is it? Or is it different because it's against us?

True

[Silver Hilton]

Nerta, et al,

While I personally am all for a bunker buster homing in on Saddam's mercedes, you might ponder for a momemt that many of those protesters are mothers that don't want thier sons to die in this war. I've seen these protesters, they're not all 19 and wearing berkinstocks. A lot of them of are mothers and fathers of our soldiers.

[GutshotApe]

Sorry, SH, but I seriously doubt if there are very many mothers of US combat troops in the ranks of the public protestors. Sure, there may be a few who actually have sons who might go in harm's way - but I am very skeptical that they comprise even 1% of the total on the street. Most parents of servicemen know that these public protests actually may expose their sons to more danger by hardening Saddam's resolve to resist and indicating to AlQuaida that the US is weak and divided........Some of the protestors may be old enough to be parents of servicemen but I doubt if very many actually are.

[fishin_lisa]

I understand that there are going to be war protest rallies around the globe tomorrow. Does anyone know whether Portland is scheduled to have one tomorrow? If so, I would appreciate any information on it.

Hans Blix has concluded that Iraq does not have any weapons of mass destruction so far. The CIA said the other day that Iraq poses little or no danger of using chemical or biological weapon against us. Every suggestion that Iraq is somehow connected with Al Qaeda has been shot down.

So we do not have a justified reason to go to war with Iraq. This whole war talk is just increasing anxiety amongst us and negatively affecting our lives. I think we can better spend our money and efforts on more important issues.

[GutshotApe]

Lisa - Do you think you know as much about the threat Iraq poses to our security as does Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, etc.? :whazzup:

I sort of doubt it .

[Straydog]

Well, the US is certainly divided on Bush's folly but I doubt anyone thinks we are weak.

We likely have weapons that make anyone else's look like play toys and the rest of the world is probably little fooled by our arrogance.

GSA, I think you may be very suprised at what age groups are against this war. You are right in that most protesters kids are not in the military, but that does not mean that they are not of age to be.

The difference is, we learned in our last misguided war that drafting and forcing people into combat against thier will was not the most 'productive' way to go.

Many of the people protesting this rush to an oily wealth were there during the last debacle. Many probably came home as you did, to a country that was less than impressed with the ugly farce that the Vietnam war was and will do whatever they can to prevent a repeat, as futile as that effort may be.

Mono, before you lock and load on me, know that I admire your kid for doing what he is doing. I just think it real sad he and thousands of others are being put in harms way at the whim of a power hungry, revenge motivitaed, cocky Texan with a short guy complex. (if you ever see him live, the attitude might as well be in neon it is so obvious, wish I had known more before I voted for him but of course, there was really little option)

I read these responses that so rightfully defend your kids in this situation and can't help but wonder what the parents of the kids your kids are watching are thinking............. :depressed:
Yes, many hate us but it is my guess that many are much like you and I. They just want to make a living, live in peace and harmony with their neighbors and get on with life.

......"And its one, two, three what are we fightin' for, don't ask me I don't give a d........."

[ 02-15-2003, 07:21 AM: Message edited by: Straydog ]

[RvW]

I figure no better place than here to post this link. It is to show your support for our troops.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">Tex, is there a better way to show "support" for our troops than to do whatever is posible to keep them from getting killed?

I think Lisa and every other protester out there show far more reasonable support than any other person could by advocating war.

This is a life or death decision our gov is making...its not a bullride or a monster truck run. DEATH for any number of american military people is not something I will support, especially when the lives of these people are not threatened in any other way if we just get the hell out of Iraq.

Terrorism will always be a threat, will a few bombs sent into Iraq make much of a difference? Not according to the lates Bin Laden tape, in fact, didnt he pretty much say we could expect more acts of terrorism if we did bomb Iraq?

Keta, whats the point in ridiculing someone who doesnt see the same devine light as you?
I'd say if you were on the front lines in Iraq, and it was your life being gambled for the sake of cheaper oil prices, you be kissing Lisas feet as she walked by with a bullhorn shouting "no war"

Take a stand for war if you folks feel that strongly about it, after all, its not your life that has any chance of being taken. Are you all so confident that every effort for a peaceful resolution has been exhausted, to the point where your willing to tell our troops its time for a number of them to go and die? As long as it doesnt include the posibility of you being killed too eh?

I wonder, why isnt there a million people marching in the streets of the major cities around the world with signs that say "NO PEACE"

Cowards.

[montster303]

Cirr...

Virtually everyone in our Military knows and understands the risks and duties they may be assigned to before signing the dotted line. Just like police, firefighters, and other professions know that they might not see another tomorrow.

Take a stand for war if you folks feel that strongly about it, after all, its not your life that has any chance of being taken.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">Do you think the victims of 9/11 would feel that way, IF they could speak now???

Are you all so confident that every effort for a peaceful resolution has been exhausted, to the point where your willing to tell our troops its time for a number of them to go and die?

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">War stinks....no doubt about it...but why let a maniac like Sadam live to be part of something similar to 9/11. Maybe it will be in your neighborhood...I pray he doesn't have that opportunity.

As long as it doesnt include the posibility of you being killed too eh?

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">I think this can be summed up by saying....I may not agree with what you are saying, BUT I WILL fight until death for YOUR RIGHT to say it.

[TheTexan]

COTR,

and you are showing your support by...? Come on down to Corvallis today between 11-4 at Ninth and Circle. Maybe you can carry a sign in Support of Our Troops.

You have the right to Support Our Troops in anyway you choose, but to call others cowards and then to sit/hide behind your computer is 'cowardly'. Get out and show your support in any way you can, but get off of your A$$!

You are a very patient person, a lot more than myself, but patience isn't always what is needed. Sometimes hard decisions must be made and I think that Bush is being faced with those hard decisions now. I pray that god will help him to make the correct decision and I must trust in him to make the best decision possible. If that decision is to send troops, then I will not protest the job that they are being sent to do.

[GutshotApe]

IMHO, the "I Support Our Troops" rallies, lapel buttons and bumper stickers are OK........better than nothing, I guess.....definitely better than outright hostility......but I've always felt the sentiment comes up a little short.

The implied message is "I support our troops but think our national leadership is wrong, etc." This sends our opponents, who fervently want to kill us :shocked: , and may yet, a clear message that we are divided and puts our troops (and us) in more danger and at more risk because it emboldens the Saddams and Osamas.......

My 2 cents.

[speyfly]

Here is what I see… Yes Saddam is a bad guy that needs to be taken care of. That said, it was this administrations duty to convince the world that this is the right time to take care of Saddam and his followers. Instead of going to the world community and gaining their support, george came out with his six guns a blazing, telling the world, this is the way it’s was going to be, period and if you don’t like it you can go pound salt! Prior to his saber rattling about Iraq, he publicly called N. Korea’s leader (a nuclear power) a pigmy and told the world that he loathed N. Korea’s leader and his country. Now it seems to me, to get the world on our side a salesmanship job was in order. All of the information was there to do just that but instead of walking softly and carrying a big stick, george and his advisors shot their mouths off and has turn world opinion against us.

Let me ask you this (those who supports this administration), if you were a new CEO of a large company and needed to rally your work force to make change, would you go in and threaten all of your employees and upper management with their jobs and their livelihood or would you go to them and convince (salesmanship) them that You are the guy that is going to LEAD THEM in the right direction to get the job done? It is much easier to lead if your employees feel safe and secure in their jobs and proud of what they do.

george and his neo-conservative rhetoric have created all of the problems we are now facing including the failing economy. Every time george speaks publicly the stock market drops, the world gets angrier and basically, he just keeps screwing up at every juncture. Also this administration and its loose cannon diplomacy are solely responsible for increasing the danger to our troops and US citizens.

[ 02-15-2003, 04:44 PM: Message edited by: speyfly ]

[Stz ll]

Well said Speyfly. :smile:

[Boedy]

If not us who? If not now when?

France, Germany & Russia have there own reasons for not wanting us to go in. They know we will find out just how much they have helped Iraq along with there WDM programs.

World opinion is not just limited to the angry ill-informed people that go out and make a lot of noise and protest like it’s a sport. To say that the whole world is against us is a bit of a reach I think. The silent majority of the USA and the world is behind us as the last poll I saw showed there was 57% approval for the war and the un-sure made up a good part of the remainder (not sure of the percentage so I wont guess). That leaves a small but unfortunately vocal group of left wing long hairs that would protest no matter what the reason we where going to war. The rest are people that only get their information via the big three TV news stations and the left wing slant and bias that goes along with them.

I continue to question why people chose to live there life hoping things will work out instead of taking the steps needed to insure that they will. That is what GW is doing, he is taking the steps he feels necessary as Commander and Chief to keep America safe from another attack. Regardless if Iraq had anything to do with 9-11 or not they still are a threat to us and the rest of the world by their continued support of Terrorists and their quest for WMD that are well documented and un accounted for I might add.

I also wonder how people could think that the world would be a better place with Saddam left in power. I can’t believe anyone can really think the UN weapons inspectors have a snowballs chance in hell of finding anything that the Iraqi government doesn’t want them to find. They (the Iraqis) had enough time before the inspectors even got into Iraq to hide what they needed to. Just how do you think the UN can stop him if we don’t do it by force? 12 years of sanctions have done little to force his compliance and I don’t think another 10 would help ether.

I personally think GW has done a great job given the state of the economy when he took office and the events of 9-11 that have shaped his administration I think it shows a lot that he isn’t bowing down to the small but vocal minority and instead he is doing what he think he has to to keep even those who doubt him safe.

[ 02-15-2003, 07:12 PM: Message edited by: Boedy ]

CotR,
Just reminding her what she is supporting here. And if I was in the military I would still be ashamed of the way some people are behaving. Iraq needs to be freed of their present government. If we don't do it now we will pay for it in the future.

[24 on/ 48 off]

But why ridicule Lisa over her position?

--spud-- :smile:

[speyfly]

Boedy, if you're going to site polls get all of the facts. Here are all of the polls so you can't mislead anyone. BTW, don't just look at FOX. Take a look at them all.
CLICK HERE.

[Boedy]

Are foxes polls wrong or do they just not agree with what you think it should be?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77202,00.html

26. Do you support or oppose U.S. military action to disarm Iraq and remove

Support Oppose (Not sure)
29-30 Jan 03** 67% 21 12
14-15 Jan 03** 67% 25 8
17-18 Dec 02** 65% 23 12
19-20 Nov 02** 68% 18 14
22-23 Oct 02 LV** 62% 27 11
8-9 Oct 02 LV** 72% 17 11
24-25 Sep 02 58% 27 15
8-9 Sep 02 66% 22 12
6-7 Aug 02 69% 22 9
9-10 Jul 02 72% 18 10
30 Apr-1 May 02 70% 20 10
30-31 Jan 02 74% 15 11
28-29 Nov 01* 77% 22 11

[ 02-15-2003, 07:29 PM: Message edited by: Boedy ]

24,
I don't think that reminding her to wear her burka was ridicule. And I'll never say that she doesn't have the right to protest. I just don't want her to put a brick through the Starbucks window, my stock is down too much as it is.

[speyfly]

Boedy , that was a really dumb question. To get a clear and accurate picture you need to check out all of the information. I guess it is just eaier to blindly be lead by bias reporting. Can you say Baaaaaaah? I guess you have not learned to use your scoll down key yet.

[ 02-15-2003, 07:27 PM: Message edited by: speyfly ]

[Boedy]

Originally posted by speyfly:
Boedy , that was a really dumb question. To get a clear and accurate picture you need to check out all of the information. I guess it is just eaier to blindly be lead by bias reporting. Can you say Baaaaaaah? I guess you have not learned to use your scoll down key yet.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">Your left wing sites are not what I call un bias.

[speyfly]

Boedy, I don't understand. The link that I included lists every major media poll. You must have not bothered to look at the link that I included in my previous post. Or maybe you're just can't stand to hear the real story.

I could only post the polls that makes me look good too but that is not my intent. I am seeking the truth. Now to the truth of polls. You can make any poll give any number you want just by how the question is phrased. I suggest that you take the time and see what questions the other polsters are asking.

Pravda and Ivesta?

[Boedy]

Keta

Can always count on you for a good laugh!
[img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

[speyfly]

Kita, you’re spouting like an old whale. Can’t you do better than that?

Spey,
Not today I'm beat. I didn't even look at your link. Maybe tomorow :smile:

PS: Try here

[ 02-15-2003, 08:10 PM: Message edited by: Keta ]

[speyfly]

Kita, now that’s funny. I will look at this fine Internet publication at a latter time but I really don't think that I will us it as a credible source of information. Here is the link to all of the major media polsters and the questions they are asking us.

CLICK HERE

[RvW]

I hope this doesnt lead to uncivilized bickering.
I really enjoy the debates and admire the people who stand up for thier beliefs (however mislead) but to add insult and petty sh** seems like an attempt to hide some inadequacies or something doesnt it?

I try to see all points of view, but I get the impression that those who disagree with mine actually believe I do sit on my A$$ and do nothing. Ive got nothing to prove, but will gladly share copies of the emails I have sent Oregon representatives.

Tex, I spent 4 hours in Eugene today at a small stand in. What did you do?

Posted by Boedy:

"The rest are people that only get their information via the big three TV news stations and the left wing slant and bias that goes along with them.


I'm curious, where do you get your news from Boe? Isnt FOX one of the big four?...err, ok, you said "three" sorry...

I'll start watching FOX news in an effort to center my views.

For the record, those of you who need desperately to put people on one side of the fence or the other really need to consider a fact. I speak for myself, but Im sure others will agree. I am not a pot smoking long-hair, tye dye wearing nonconformist dead head. It is my belief that war is warranted in many situations, above all to insure peace. However, from what I have learned regarding the US effort to rid the world of Saddam, I have not been convinced that it is within our justifiable right to make this decision.
I have not been convinvced that innocent civilians should be sacrificed. I think the clearest most accurate definition of hypocrisy is a cry for war to stop someone else from killing.
Fighting fire with fire.

War kills, plain and simple, and is a far easier option to peace when opted by those who have little or no conscience, patience, or desire to WORK for peace.

Its very noble of each of you to say you will DIE to protect the freedoms afforded to me including the freedom to speak my mind. To me, these are empty promises plain and simple, and I am willing to go out on a limb and assume that if every last US soldier where given immunity and an unpunished choice, a surprising number of them would pack thier bags and hit the road for home VS being confronted with death.

To say you will die to protect the freedoms I take advantage of is pathetic, especially when coming from people who wouldnt shell out an extra $10 (M28) bucks a month to save lives rite here in oregon when they had a clear option to do so.

Lets make our gov accountable for the money they've wasted by throwing the elderly, sick and handicapped out in the streets.

No exhageration there, nor is there any exageration when it is said that your call for war will cost people thier lives.

[RvW]

Spey, Keta...I'll meet you both HERE

Beware, it contains a little more truth than most can handle, but dont worry, I hear it doesnt take long to develop a tollerance for it..

Oh, Tex...you and Boe can come too, but no silly questions after the tour ok, you may experience a light euphoria, and a contact high...truth is powerful stuff! :grin:

[ 02-15-2003, 08:41 PM: Message edited by: cirrhosis-of-the-river ]

[STGRule]

COTR: Talk about a blast from the past. In my current world I had forgotten all about Mother Jones. Talk about a memory rush. Thanks for the link. Gads, I may have to dig out the patchouli and ditch the bra. :grin:

[RvW]

OK see ya there!..I'll bring the insence, you bring the Joan Biaz records.

Seriously, the "global no" article is interesting, and towards the bottom of the main page is a link to a discussion.


BOE, someone posted this "I love the smell of Napalm in the mornin'".....isnt that a line by the new moniker of yours? Capt Willard...Apocnow?

[ 02-15-2003, 09:00 PM: Message edited by: cirrhosis-of-the-river ]

[TheTexan]

Originally posted by cirrhosis-of-the-river:


Tex, I spent 4 hours in Eugene today at a small stand in.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">Starbucks??????????? Just kidding, I just couldn't resist!

[RvW]

Starbucks?

Isnt that a company owned by "Doctor Evil" and "Number 2" ?

Have not tried thier java yet, but after seeing Austin Powers (international man of mystery!) slurp a sample offered up by fat-bassturd, I'm encouraged to pass. Aside from that, every time I walk by theres too many stools, and not enough chairs.
The first time I went in for a cup I ended up paying out the....

Uhh, never mind.