ODFW Rhoades Pond HGMP Public Comments

[Pete]

WRO, that might be a issue. Seems to me the fish were maxillary clipped. Adipose clipping would seem to make sense.

Rhodes Pond Clipping Thread

[MasterCaster]

Just what I was thinking Ryan. This is a great program but these fish need to be adipose clipped as well. Personally I think any and all hatchery fish should be adipose clipped.

Jon :smile: :grin: :smile:

[weekend warrior]

WRO and I have talked with Ron about this a few times. Why would you maxilary clip a fish and not adipose clip it when it is a "hatchery" fish? It kinda sucks because of the 4,7,10 rule even though there hatchery reared. Unless it has a missing adipose it can't go on a hatchery card even if it has some other form of clipping, ie:vent,pect, or maxilary..
Just my .02

[MasterCaster]

Here are a couple small portions of the HGMP that apply to marking.

7.3) Identity.
Program startup in 1999 collected unmarked adult fall chinook, there were no returning fall chinook from previous programs. Smolt releases during the first 5 years of the program received an external mark at a 50% rate with the exception of 2002. In 2002 a significant production shortage (39,125 production) allowed for 100% mark. Beginning with 2004 releases smolts will be 100% marked with external fin and / or maxillary bone clips to distinguish them from naturally produced fish.

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10.7) Marks applied, and proportions of the total hatchery population marked, to identify hatchery adults.
From 1999 through 2003 fall chinook from Rhoades Pond were marked with a Right Maxillary (RM) mark. Mark rate was targeted at 50%, except in 2002 when fish were marked at 100% rate as a result of a production shortage that year. Beginning with 2004 releases the mark rate goal will be 100% with a Right Maxillary (RM) mark.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">As it is right now even if the fish were adipose clipped the 4 7 10 rule still applies.

I would like to see the 4 7 10 rule only apply to "wild" fish and have all hatchery fish be addipose clipped.

Just my .02

Jon :smile: :grin: :smile:

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[Jerry Dove]

Ron and his group are co sponsors of the 2004 S.T.E.P. in Tillamook March 26-28. Want to talk about it, show up. Having round tables, on this and many other subjects. Hey *** I have not seen your Reg. yet. Jerry

[Point-of-Sale Clerk]

Jerry

I paid my $15.00 registration at the sports show… you have not sent me my confirmation [img]graemlins/eek13.gif[/img]

[Point-of-Sale Clerk]

ODFW is requesting Public comment for Their HGMP (Hatchery and Genetic Management Plan) for the Fall Chinook Program at Rhoades Pond on the Nestucca.

Please submit your comments by March 17 to the following address:
Keith.E.Braun@state.or.us

You may access the HGMP at the following link:
http://home.comcast.net/~lway3/Draft...inook_HGMP.doc


Regards

*** Clerk

[willametteriveroutlaw]

I think it is a pretty good program, except i don't like the fact that it doesn't use new genes every year and the fish aren't fin clipped. Even with the 4 in 7 and 10 per season rules still in place, it would be nice to put these hatchery fish down on your hatchery card.

[Joe]

Fall Chinook can not be adipose clipped if they are not Coded Wire Tagged. This is a Federal law. Coded Wire Tagging is far more expensive than volunteer fin clipping.

As someone who lives on and fishes the Nestucca for Fall Chinook I think the current 4 per week and 10 per year regulation is more than generous. The river is already plenty crowded with these restrictions. Besides 4 chinook a week should be enough for anybody. It does make sense that any clipped fish should be able to go on a hatchery tag. These are just my personnal opinions.

WRO, Many of the brood each year are wild "new genes".

[Amerman]

In past year I think half of th Rhoades pond fish were clipped with a maxilary clip, Last year we started clipping 100%. These fish can be put on a hatchery tag, The hatchery tags rules reads adipose clipped steelhead and clipped salmon can be recorded on your hatchery tag. This means any clip for salmon and the Maxilary clipped Rhoades pound fish can be put on your hatchery card. But as others have said the 4/7/10 rules still apply.

[Jerry Dove]

***. Sent me an email, with your given name and I will check on it. Sorry. jdovetillanglers@tillanet.com

[Amerman]

Mastercaster

Yes all clipped fall chinooks are suppose to have these tags. Its a little sliver of metal that has a bar code on it.

Scott

[Point-of-Sale Clerk]

Will do Jerry [img]graemlins/program.gif[/img]

As to CWT’s and ad fin clips by Joe, I have no reason to believe that statement to be correct. I would like to hear a more complete explanation of the details. That may have been a requirement for a particular program but as a general rule that may be incorrect.

[Gone Fishin]

Thomas,

Pay attention to what Joe has to say, he knows what he's talking about.

[MasterCaster]

Fall Chinook can not be adipose clipped if they are not Coded Wire Tagged. This is a Federal law. Coded Wire Tagging is far more expensive than volunteer fin clipping.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">This tag is it the little chip in their head? If this is the case do the clipped Salmon river fallies all have these tags? Have never heard this before and am now curious. We landed 3 or 4 adipose clipped fallies from the nestucca last fall (only kept one). Were these fish all code tagged? Interesting.

Jon :smile: :grin: :smile:

[Point-of-Sale Clerk]

Marty

Thanks for using my real name… :grin:

Joe could be correct but I would like him to cite the federal law in question. I am not looking to prove him wrong but to use this information when discussing fisheries issues and would like to be specific. It would also be nice to understand the biological reasoning behind such a law.

[ssteelheadsteve]

The CWT issue is not really a "federal law ".
It is an agreement with Canada that is enforced by the US - Canada Salmon Treaty.
All US produced Chinook with adipose clip will have a CWT according to the Treaty. Federal Law in a sense.

[Joe]

I'm not sure if the Federal restriction (probably a more accurate word than law) includes all Fall Chinook raised in North America but it does include ones raised here on the Oregon Coast. It was the same for Springers until about 5 years ago. Sorry I don't know any more specifics than that.