Who is hiring these days??

Cool Texan · 01-30-2003, 04:11 PM

Not many companies. Its a tough market, money is tight. Cant hire people...have to fire them instead.

However, the State Of Oregon is hiring!! More than 900 FTE positions are being added in the 2003-2005 Governors Balanced Budget compared to the 1999-2001 Actuals. Just over 100 in Administration, 200 in Natural Resources, 400 in Education. [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img]

http://www.bam.das.state.or.us/pub/GBB0305/

This is part of why I voted no to 28. Bunch of idiots in Salem. (no offense to the non-idiots in Salem)

CATCH AND EAT · 01-30-2003, 04:18 PM

Just the reason I voted NO on 28.

Cut at the top!

Gus Orviston · 01-30-2003, 04:25 PM

NOpe from me too. Fix PERS, drop SIM CAM, do some house cleaning (I don't mean brutal, but demonstrate efficiency) before asking for money. I will pay hiring taxes when I have confidence my money is being spent well, and that it is justifiable, M28 wasn't.

I resent having a gun held to my head saying vote YES or we shoot.

Kilgore · 01-30-2003, 05:24 PM

You guys all sound like you'll have a heart attack. Why not give it a rest and cool off your heads

Or do something productive [img]graemlins/idea.gif[/img]

Cool Texan · 01-31-2003, 08:22 AM

Kilgore...no heart attack threat here. Just pointing out the facts of the budget and getting away from the radio ads about gub'ment money (ala COTR).

CATCH AND EAT · 01-31-2003, 09:03 AM

Always interesting when the private sector is responsibly cutting back and the Government is expanding.

[img]graemlins/dork.gif[/img] Says something about excess taxation and government spending.

Give it a rest? Not a chance. They will be back with another non-specific ballot measure soon and we will be having these discussions all over again. You can bet on that.

RvW · 01-31-2003, 10:05 AM

Good one Tex.
While you continue to offer your reasoning for the defeat of 28, Men women and children of oregon in need are living with the immediate effects of that no vote. Out of sight out of mind for you eh?
Is it not entirely clear that the defeat of the measure has forced more and more people into the unemployment lines as well.

I guess the inability to find work, and quality care, and an education in oregon is more of a social disease than a result of there not BEING any work, care and schooling yeah?

Were there no possible pros to the passing of the measure? Only cons?
I happen to be in a position to feel the effects of the failure, yet I agree that there was an uncomfortable grey area with the measure. It would do you some good, and the conversation justice, to open your eyes and at least acknowledge that the effects of it passing would have rolled off your shoulder in short time.
Your like the father with the belt that tells his son "this is going to hurt me a lot more than its going to hurt you" before an assswhoopin.

Yeah, right!

Cool Texan · 01-31-2003, 10:30 AM

It probably is a LOT easier to vote your mind and not your heart when you arent going to be impacted by the results...which is where I am coming from.

I work in corporate finance...and believe in fiscal responsibility. Oregon does not demonstrate that. I wouldnt wish negative impacts from 28's failure on anyone, and hope that everyone is able to make it through relatively ok. Oregon has a spending problem though, and giving them more money wont fix it. 900 jobs being added in Ted's budget from the posted Actuals. That just isnt smart.

I know we'll disagree for eternity on this issue...but I had to vote for what I felt was right. Again, had 28 spelled out where the money would have gone (schools, medicaid, etc) I would have voted yes.

I hope your father is doing well.

RvW · 01-31-2003, 10:49 AM

I guess at this point I have to solicit the opinion of the majority (those who voted no) in a more reasonable manner.
28 failed, and though I have a difficult time understanding how the cons outweighed the pros especially dealing with the results first hand, Id really like to know what it will take to get the no voters to say yes in the future? Because your conditions are just as vague as 28s direction of funds were.

More importantly, what is in store for those like my father, and countless other handicapped people, children of school age, unemployed state police, early realease criminals etc etc?
How long do we have to wait for another so called solution to come along, and what are the prospects of its success when considering the bottom line (more money out of YOUR pocket)

Its very difficult to believe theres any chance in a revolution of reform within our gov, which is how I interpret the requirements needed to sway the no voters of 28.
In other words, theres no light at the end of the tunnel, and people like my father cant wait very long for the miracle you all expect to happen. Its a fact, long term effects are irrelevant to both sides because 2 years and it would be over for you, but in contrast, two years would be two years too many for people like my father. Hell two WEEKS of living without the services that have been cut is going to have lifelong effects on those who need them!

Whats in store, what does the future hold? what is it going to take for the no voters to say yes?

[ 01-31-2003, 11:52 AM: Message edited by: cirrhosis-of-the-river ]

biederboat · 01-31-2003, 12:01 PM

I really question why our government was so eager to bring in more companies during the go go 90's when there wasn't enough qualified help anyway which brought more people in to the state (apparently lots of them like to bass fish). Companies got tax breaks, schools had to educate all the new kids, now a lot of these people are in the unemployment line but we still have the kids. I can understand when times are tough you may have to do this but why do it when things are going good anyway.

Know, get this, we had a HAND DELIVERED notice that our dog license had expired from Washington county. Have these peole never heard of the post office? It's hard enough to get an officer out here when our bikes were stolen (and of course they couldn't do anything about it anyway) so how does the dog catcher have all this time to drive around?I don't care if this is or isn't a self-funded program (maybe through dog licenses). What a bunch of waste....

Biederboat

CATCH AND EAT · 01-31-2003, 12:07 PM

I think many of us can identify with COTR. Went through it with my wifes father after his stroke left him with absolutly no short term memory. Foster care at that time for 3 years. Then another stroke that left him paralized on his left side. Resthome for another 3 years until his death. SS picked up most of the tab and from time to time we had to kick in a little too.

Now mom-in-law is a diabetic, tripple-by-pass, stroke survivor that is now disabled and living in an assisted living center. SS, medicade, medicare pays her bill there. After paying the bill she has $90 a month for incidentals. We end up paying for a lot of stuff each month out of our own budget for her survival. It really hurts financially and of course is embarrassing to her as well.

We thought she might loose her quarters in the center due to measure 28. Matter of fact she was ready to move out this weekend. We persuaded her not to (thank you Lord!!!) and had her talk with her case workers about her status. I guess there are 17 different levels that medicade has stipulated for sevarity of need or disability. (Not sure about this so please correct me if I am wrong). She is a level 5. Currently, the cuts are supposed to affect levels 10-17. The next cuts would affect levels 6-9 and then 3-5. I don't believe it will go below level 9 for quite some time (july would be a possible cut timeline to look at level 5 and below). Personally, I am somewhat relieved yet still carry the fear she will be excused from the facility sometime this year.

COTR, Does your father have any other (I hate this word) entitlements ie: SS. Medicade, Medicare, ?????? Is he evaluated at any of the levels I have mentioned? Of course, if he is totally disabled and needs resthome assistance then my questions to you do not apply. I am feelin for ya bro. Been there and done that twice. Still will have my parents to deal with in the future and we are trying to do a better job of preparing for that. Don't know if you can every be really prepared but at least we are trying.

Cool Texan · 01-31-2003, 01:25 PM

COTR and C&E,

My wife is an administrator of an assisted living center in Portland, and might be able to help out if its ever needed. I cant speak for her as to what she could or couldnt do, but I do know that she runs her building with the utmost respect for her residents, and the residents needs come first. Example....she had a resident a while back get dropped off by her family with almost nothing...she arranged for the company she works for to buy her a bed (she was left there with an air mattress), linens, etc. She was going to buy her toothpaste and such each month from her own money until the "family" finally started to act like decent people.

So...for what its worth, feel free to email me if you want her contact information.

Biederboat....dog license? So in other words my dog is an illegal alien? She's never been licenesed in Oregon. Guess I should do that...seeing as how we've been up here for 4-5 years now. :shocked:

CATCH AND EAT · 01-31-2003, 01:36 PM

Thanks for the offer CT. Set for now. A little frustrating last night. Finally got the mother in law to pipe down and listen to reason. Reason being someone else than me is what it took to change her mind.

Cool Texan · 01-31-2003, 01:45 PM

Glad to hear she is adjusting. What building is she in? My wife might be familiar with it.

CATCH AND EAT · 01-31-2003, 02:36 PM

She is in Princeton Village out in Clackamas. It is a very nice place with terrible food.

Cool Texan · 01-31-2003, 03:36 PM

My wife is about to take over Raleigh Hills Assisted Living (I think thats the name). She is a registered dietician who's background prior to administration was in food service for assisted livings and retirement centers.

If she ever gets tired of the food, call my wife. Your mother in law will love you for it! :grin:

Straydog · 01-31-2003, 11:07 PM

Very good questions COTR.

The reality is, just because we voted no and it is supposed to be over with and we are expected to "move on", real people with real problems are still going to go without services they need and will suffer.

Hard to move on when one has to deal with the reality of today in the manner you and others are facing.

I have been dealing with ill, ederly parents for almost 3 years. Fortunately they had the means and mind to be financialy prepared for this time in their lives and we will not be impacted in that regard to my knowledge.

However, knowing the emotional impact and stress created by being in a position such as yours, I can imagine dealing with it knowing the finacial means to provide your dad the best care possible must be devastating.

Good luck and let the Ifish community know if and how we may help. :smile:

Cool Texan · 01-31-2003, 11:52 PM

Well said Stray.

COTR, despite the bickering, we're all pulling for you and your father.

Take 28, the way it was written, and add to it:

Funds distribution would be handled as outlined (make up your own %'s):

Education: 40%
Social Services: 40%
Natural Resources: 15%
General Fund: 5%

Also add "following the acceptance of 28 the Oregon government will reduce total FTE headcount by 15%, with 80% of those reductions falling from above the median salary level".

I'd vote yes for that one with no problems and pay my $385 a year extra.

lost_sailor · 02-01-2003, 09:29 AM

It looks like there will be some federal jobs opening up, with travel opportunities.

Army - Navy - Air Force - Marines

ultralight · 02-01-2003, 02:42 PM

Funny, Lost_Sailor!

It seems there is an increase in their advertisement on TV, recently. Perhaps the supposedly high recruitment numbers after the 911 are drying up now that things seem more real.