Anit-PETA petition

[Boedy]

This is a petition to strip PETA of its "non-profit orginization" status. This will stop them from being tax exempt and also stop making the donations to them tax deductable. So far there are over 40,000 signatures, go ahead and join in! Merry Christmas, PETA!

http://www.petitiononline.com/rvkptaex/

[Boedy]

So supporting a terrorist a little is ok?

I don’t think PETA should be aloud to give money to terrorist and then hide behind tax exempt status. Do You?

Nothing to do with free speach as they can say anything they want. They just should not be able to fund a Terrioist group via their Non-profit status.

A terrorist is a terrorist no matter what cause they rally around …..you.should think about that fishban

[fishbane]

This is america and they have just as much a right as religeons do. I was a chef for many years. I don't agree with peta,elf or alf.

You Do more Boedy to support terrorism by buying gas for your suv and boat then peta ever will. also diamonds( sorry ladies but what you have on your finger has a very large percentage of having some childs misery on it then anything peta has ever done)

They have a right to free speach . The churches get to support all their molesters and supporters like oh say Morris and Longo. Good christian men there boy.

Maybe you should think about these things boedy

[fishbane]

You should ask yourself the same question.
We all do it everyday when we get gas. Our goverment could get us off gas in 10 years if we wanted.

What about the catholic church? They are giving up millions of dollars to defend thier priests and make settelments. Should they lose thier tax free status too?

[STGRule]

Fishbane: Actually maybe they should.

[Boedy]

Fishban Please tell me that you don’t think the Catholic Church condoned the actions of those priests.

I know PETA condones any action against anyone that they feel is being cruel to animals they feel animals are equal to Humans and have the same rights as us no matter what anybody else thinks. Wait until they come after us fishermen and say that because we are using a hook while fishing or not killing them humanly that we cause the poor fish it undo pain. Don’t think it could happen? One only has to look at what they did with the Bear and Cougar hunting in this state and you wouldn’t think so. It is their stated goal to ban all Hunting, fishing and anything that supplies food from animals including milk. Still want to support them? By letting them keep their status you are say that you agree with their beliefs or you believe that blowing up peoples livelihood is something that should be tax except.

There is a big difference between paying the victim for what happened to them and giving money to someone so that they could go blow up a mink farm or a dairy farm or a chicken farm. These people are wacko and we need to stand up to them before it to late..

[ 01-04-2003, 11:43 AM: Message edited by: Boedy ]

[fishbane]

Well by allowing churches to keep tax exepmt status you are supporting the same ideals.

The churches for centuries have supported true terrorism in all conquests so they could go in and spread the word of god.
These actions include the entire genocide of cultures and there people. while filling the church coffers all in the name god.
The catholic church condones by allowing all those men to be placed back where they can be around childeren again don't they. Which they did many times.

If peta wants to donate some money to the defense of some people thats fine. Remember in this country you are innocent till proven guilty. To be innocent you need the money to prove it. ask all the people who have been released now after years in prison or on death row due to recent dna results.

[Stz ll]

I don't care what anybody says PETA sucks and all of their members are nothing short of idiots.

[Deepslayer]

I have to agree with stzII. Fishbane you must really have a religious problem. I will pray for you!!

[The Fishing Geek]

fishbane:

The average person doesn't have a problem making a statement or taking a stand, as long as it doesn't inconvenience them too terribly much. That is why Boedy is not addressing your gasoline statements.

Stz II: I respecfully believe that your statement is false. There are some very intelligent people who belong to PETA, just as much as there are intelligent people in the Republican and Democratic Parties. They may have ideas that would seem to us as being horribly misguided, but labelling them as "nothing short of idiots" is bigotted and short-sighted.

Terrorist is such a cliche these days, and it's becoming quite tiresome and the word is quickly losing impact. I don't agree with what they are doing, and I don't agree with their beliefs. However, they have every right to have those beliefs. Overall, I think that the tax-exempt status is abused and should be greatly overhauled.

I will completely avoid the whole Catholic Church reference, as I don't want to take this too far from the original post topic.

[fishbane]

Thanks geek as you can articulate things better then I.

Peta itself is not a terrorist group.
they have some good ideas as a base about animals. At it's core I think most people would agree about not mistreating animals. They are a voice of the vegans and such folks in this country.They are a non profit.

Do I agree with them on allot of things, no. Just becuase I fish and hunt and I'm a card careening member of people eating tasty animals doesn't mean I'm not blind to the rights of a non profit group just because I don't agree with them. I'm not willing to label them as terrorism supporters because I don't agree with them or all thier ideals. Especialy When they have been found guilty of nothing.

If you are going to strip Peta of tax except status then all the churches should be stripped too. all of the organized religeons including christianity, islam or whatever. They have promopted more terrorism in our history then Al-Quida ever will achieve. ( We'll just list the fact that before christian missionaries arived in Hawaii there were 1 million natives ten years later 100,000 natives and they were being terrorized ( this includes **** and torture, Go christians ) to not practice thier culture anymore, now there are only a couple hundred natives and thier culture is just a tourist attraction) If you boys want to jump on the new McCarthyism bandwagon then go ahead. Thats exactly what this terrorism labeling is all about. You are just speeding up the end of our liberties as Americans. This is exactly what the bush/ashcroft admin wants( how dare he spend thousands of dollars covering a staue of justice because of a marble *** . And you wonder were your tax dollars go) a bunch of passive idots, waving the flag like a dog that just got a scooby snack for fetching a ball. Our media is already more censored then any other country except the islamic countries. The white house is saying we have to be careful about what we say while they are sleeping with saudi arabia.

So think about that in earnest while you are praying for me you hipocrits.

[fishbane]

Look I was censored on this board for say t*t instead of breast.

[fishbane]

I can't say *** or maybe sex, you know t*t, we all suck on one when we are born. But I can say ****, murder, torture and war.
what a classic example of our foolish culture

Nothing against you Jennie or the board for fishing purposes. I have learned allot here and think it is a great resourse I am just exerciseing a point.
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[Boedy]

Geek,

If you know anything about the gasoline industry you would know that all the gas that comes into the USA goes into pipelines that mix all the gas together and not until it is taken out at the refineries do the various gas companies add the additives that make it there own brand. Then they take the gas via truck to the stations so even if you buy gas from only South American companies you are still using gas from the gulf. And unless you ride a bike around all the time you are as much a hypocrite as Fishbane.

I have been to Saudi and fought a little was over there so I think I am entitled to use what ever gas I want but I do try to limit my buying to the non gulf oil buying brands as I got that same email as you did..

Never ever did I say PETA should not have the right to say and do what they want I only said that they should not be getting a tax break to do it. As far as the church goes I still think you are stretching that a little too far if you are bringing up the Middle Ages as part of your argument. Take away their status as far as I care but then there is that whole church and state thing in the constitution isn’t there how we get around that one? We start hacking away at the constitution and it won’t be long before the whole thing is redone.

Fishbane you strike me as some throw back to the pot smoking draft dodging days of the 60's Your so called civil liberties are how the terrorists are able to do what they did in this country. They count on people like you self to make such a stink about civil liberties that they are free to operate with impunity in this country. Tough measures are taken sometimes to assure the lifestyle you have now.

You live in the greatest country in the world and it did not get that way by being mister nice guy to every one. The government of the USA does what it has to do to keep you free and living the way you do.

This whole country has gotten so blinded by their own success that they forget that a lot of people are dead so they can complain about how bad they have it. That is something that always bothers me how people can reap the benefits then complain about how they got them in the first place.

The evil US governments as you see it keeps you in that warm house, it keeps you driving that big truck to haul your boat around so you can fish when ever you want. Most of the world doesn’t have the time or the money to go and do the things that we take for granted they are to busy trying to feed them selves. You should thank the US government that you don’t live in a mud hut and cook over an open fire the next time you start to complain about how horrible this great country is.

Don’t come crying to me about how some non residents had to pass a tougher screening process to get in to this country or how we are cracking down on immigration violations or how we are hunting down terrorist and others that would do us harm. If I have to put up with a little inconvenience to maintain my way of life then so be it.

I have been overseas a lot and have seen what the rest of the world is like and there is no place that even comes close to the freedoms or lifestyles that we have in America and for to many it is taken for granted. Sometimes actions are taken to insure that we will always have those freedoms, you may not like they way that it goes down sometimes but you sure like the results.

[fishbane]

Well well
I too have fought for my country. I lost 3 uncles in a real war against evil. WW2. Not a trumped up one. The war on terror is a very real one. But smoke screening it with Iraq is just that. In the mean time the real terrorists are getting tan and rested. People i know still in the milatary don't agree with what bush is doing.

I am forced to be a hypricate becuase of our goverment is suppressing and not supporting alternate fuel sources so they can support there oil corp buddies. I was about to buy a hybrid toyota for cruising around in until I got laid off and I have plans for house using a rain water system and other atlernate energy sourses.
CAN you say that much Boedy??
Doesn't sound like it. sounds like you just want to rest on your laurels and say what can I do. Oh yeah I'll just put this flag on my truck. which was made in another country.

As you have pointed out we have allot to be thankful for. That is preciesly why we and other western nations should lead the way to alternative fuel sources. Because we can. Then we can have the arab boot off our throats. And a cleaner enviorment.

I honestly don't think there should be a tax exempt bracket at all. A true patriot pays there taxes. As do I. I don't look for loopholes or have off shore accounts.
A true patriot raises his or her voice to say hey thats wrong the goverment is wrong on this account. We need to change this. And you and I can agre to disagree :smile: by voting and such.

The same reasoning you are using against peta could be used against your childern or grandchildern if they were protesting some enviormental issue and not using any violence if we open this door against peta and other groups.

[fishbane]

Oh and by the way GW bush is one of those draft dodgers you speak of. He never finished his reserve service. He just stopped showing up to play soldier and got away with it becuase of daddy.

[Boedy]

WWII is a prime example of why you can’t sit back and appease people like Saddam Hussein or Hitler. Europe tried to appease Hitler and you lost 3 uncles for it. If they would have stood up to Hitler at the start instead of caving into him that war may not have been fought. We let a crazy Like Saddam do what he wants and it could cost us dearly.

[Boedy]

Much like Your hero Bill Clinton?

[ 01-06-2003, 03:22 PM: Message edited by: Boedy ]

[lost_sailor]

I'm not the only one who sees frightening similarities between Bush and Hitler .

Do a Web search if you want more. The Germans have certainly noticed .

Is the NRA tax-exempt?

[Firedog]

Lost Sailor, I don't think the NRA is Tax Exempt. I know that you can't deduct contributions.

[The Fishing Geek]

Originally posted by Boedy:
Much like Your hero Bill Clinton?

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">Why do you Republicans always assume that 1) if we are against Bush that we are Democrats, and 2) if we are against Bush that we liked Clinton? For some reason those two points really rock the world of Republicans everywhere, because that takes their favorite little trump card away from them. They've been programmed by others to pull that one out, cuz it works no matter what the debate. Sorry, it doesn't.

Get off of the Republican platform and start asking questions for yourself. I got off of the Democrat platform a long time ago and decided that I would make decisions for myself. It's a whole lot healthier.

[The Fishing Geek]

Boedy,

You seem to have your people confused with your statement above; however, as you addressed some things to me I'll go ahead and respond to them.

Originally posted by Boedy:
Geek,

If you know anything about the gasoline industry you would know that all the gas that comes into the USA goes into pipelines that mix all the gas together and not until it is taken out at the refineries do the various gas companies add the additives that make it there own brand. Then they take the gas via truck to the stations so even if you buy gas from only South American companies you are still using gas from the gulf. And unless you ride a bike around all the time you are as much a hypocrite as Fishbane.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">I merely asked you to address his comment. I know that all of the oil gets mixed together at the plant; however, I also know that the largest percentage of the oil (20%) comes from terrorist-supporting, and seemingly Teflon-coated, Saudi Arabia. So, I guess by buying gas at the pump we are "supporting a terrorist a little". That was the point.

I have been to Saudi and fought a little was over there so I think I am entitled to use what ever gas I want but I do try to limit my buying to the non gulf oil buying brands as I got that same email as you did..

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">Strange comment there. I would think that since you went to the Gulf to protect the interests of the Gulf oil-buying multinationals that you would want to buy their oil, but whatever works for you is fine.

Also, what email are you referring to? Seems like nobody sends me those goofy forwarded email things anymore after I would reply to them (and everyone they sent the original to) to prove them false. I'll guess that you are referring to this email, which you will see is horribly false. Hard to imagine that something that was sent to you via email was false, cuz it came from the Internet and all...

Take away their status as far as I care but then there is that whole church and state thing in the constitution isn’t there how we get around that one? We start hacking away at the constitution and it won’t be long before the whole thing is redone.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">Boy was that a stretch. Take away the churches tax exempt status and we are messing with the Constitution? I'm no Constitutional scholar but I believe you are referring to the Constitutional separation of Church and State, which has nothing to do WHATSOEVER with tax-exempt status. When Thomas Jefferson first came up with the religious freedom laws that came to pass in Virginia around 1779, it was because he feared the religion-based wars that decimated England and other European countries throughout history. He wanted people to have the freedom to practice any religion they wished, and knew that a State-sponsored religion (like the Church of England) would prevent that. Remember, that's the biggest reason why the pilgrims left England in the 1600's.

There, is that better? Does that show the separation for you? I hope so.

[Boedy]

I understand what you are saying here but the reality of it is that the government is so far from what the founders intended with the constitution that they would not recognize this countries laws anymore. I don’t think you can apply 16th century values and ideas to the facts of life today,

My point is I don’t care about the Tax status of the church but I do care about the Constitution you start taxing the churches and a point could be made that the government is trying to control said churches via how much tax they have to pay. That is why the whole tax except thing came around in the first place and has become the giant cluster that it is now. IMHO

[RichH]

I'm sitting here reading this wondering how a simple link to remove tax exempt status from an organization that would love to infringe on our recreational priveledges degenerated into a ******* match over politics. :whazzup: :whazzup:

I'm also wondering how my spelling has degenerated to such a point. [img]graemlins/dork.gif[/img]

[Boedy]

I was thinking the same thing so I am going to let this one die like it should have sometime ago!