Mannix would reverse Sandy decision

SandySteel · 11-03-2002, 08:12 PM

Kevin Mannix has promised to reverse the decision on Sandy river navigability made by the land board if he is elected governor. Although this may be a positive thing in some of your eyes it points out to me that Kevin is not a friend to sport anglers.

Alligator · 11-03-2002, 08:34 PM

Non-fishing related comments.

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24 on/ 48 off · 11-03-2002, 08:36 PM

Non-fishing related comments.

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Straydog · 11-03-2002, 08:40 PM

Angler Access and navigabilty issues will be big issues in the upcoming session I am told by a large organized group of anglers.

If he is saying he will reverse the Sandy issue, you can bet he will fight further angler access as well.

The Governor cannot have much influence on right to choose issues. Remember, he tells us that every time it is brought up....... oh yea, I know he and the rest of the right wingers take every penny offered by right to life but keep telling us it isn't a state issue.

I would respect him more if he stood by his conviction of right to life and admited he will do everything in his power to change it. Instead he tells us it is not a state issue. Why not be honest and forthright?????

1pump · 11-03-2002, 08:49 PM

Non-fishing related comments.

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V. Green · 11-03-2002, 08:58 PM

Having Kevin Mannix as our governor would be a disaster!

According to his sound bites he would spend more money, borrow to balance the budget and lower taxes? What is wrong with this picture?

I may have the wrong idea but I thought that republicans are the group who are conservative on financial issues, spending only the money we currently have and making up the difference with taxes and program cuts. Unless I am wrong that is what democrats now profess, and the GOP is the �borrow and spend� crowd. Maybe Mannix will get the state a high interest credit card and we can use it to pay for the schools, police, prisons, and our beloved ODF&W.

Sorry to ramble but borrowing money from my child today to pay for his K-12 education seems ridiculous. It is our responsibility to either raise our taxes or make program cuts, not borrow from our future.

I suspect that if we didn't borrow funds and we don't raise our taxes most people in this state would vote to cut our hatcheries in order to keep our schools, and prisons open and our police on the street. People won't care about fishing when 5000 convicts are released and our kids are at home alone while their parents are at work.

thankful · 11-03-2002, 09:29 PM

Its scary isn't it but I would like to think about the past Demo Gov. and see what he has done for sportmen. Not much if any and we must not forget what the Democrates are doing to California sportmen. Well anyway, who evers gets voted as Governor we should at least give some kind of positive support......

Michael E. · 11-03-2002, 09:46 PM

So what, he gets elected and changes the navigability ruling. It shouldn't change your fishing habits at all. If you were a decent citizen you wouldn't fish on private property (ruling or no ruling) if the property owner doesn't want you there.

Just because Oregon land board says its OK to fish within the highwater mark doesn't make it right if the property owner doesn't want you there. I can't blame property owners for chasing fishermen and women off their property, look at the mess some of them pigs leave behind.

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crabbait · 11-03-2002, 10:07 PM

Michael E. - Calling people names may play on other boards but not here.

If you cannot express your views without name calling please feel free to move on.

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crabbait · 11-03-2002, 10:16 PM

Let's keep this fishing related or it is off to the general board.

Please review the Acceptable Use Policy. Name calling and posts intended to inflame are not acceptable. Thank you.

11-03-2002, 10:18 PM

Let's get some facts straight here. The Association of Northwest Steelheaders paid the legal fee for the stream access issue which we won! We did it not for any other reason than to help the sports anglers in this state. While this ruling does allow access to the stream bank up to the highwater mark it does not allow tresspassing and we do not condone littering or vandalism! I would go as far as to say that any member of ANWS that was convicted of either of these crimes would be removed from our membership! If any homeowner sees any of this kind of stuff happening and the offending party is a steelheader then by all means call us! Jennie has provided a link to our web site on the main page.
Any landowner that sees any angler doing any of this should contact the police or sheriff.
I am a representitive of the steelheaders and I know Eric. He is one of the most articulate and intelligent people I've met. He and other members of the Sandy river have done a lot for the betterment of the Sandy river for landowner and sports angler alike.

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ssteelheadsteve · 11-03-2002, 10:19 PM

Eric
When and where did Manix make the statement you refer to in this post ?

Bait O' Eggs · 11-04-2002, 06:57 AM

Non fishing related comments.

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Uglygreen · 11-04-2002, 07:52 AM

BOE - Nice reply

Crabbait - I suspect a little bias? Howcome I have never seen you edit any other NFR topics?

SRS - I persume you have something other than your own word on this? Is that quoted someplace? I see nothing on the NW Steelheaders website?

UG

Uglygreen · 11-04-2002, 07:57 AM

Reminder:

Topics should be fishing related. This is a broad restriction permitting discussion of techniques, tackle, runs, genetics, legislation, charitable activities and other issues related to fishing. Occasionally a topic may get remote, but that can be part of the fun.

Need I say more?

UG

foxer · 11-04-2002, 07:58 AM

It doesnt sound like Mannix is trying to hinder fisherman access, just protect landowner rights. As far as the pro life thing, its not an issue that a governor can do anything about. Mannix has stated that he is pro life and has no plans on changing his stance. Both candidates have stated that there will be no cuts ni public safety. That is a ploy that Kitz used to scare people into raising taxes so he can keep his pet social projects....Please read/hear words for yourself before making statements....

Jennie@ifish · 11-04-2002, 08:01 AM

Guys, come on...
Let's make it easier on the mods, and the admin.
We have gotten many notifications on this topic. It's political, and it opens up too many cans of worms. No one is going to agree, and it's just going to get ugly.
Crabbait is trying to help. You may not call names on ifish. Period.
I'm going fishing. If one of the mods moves this it's fine by me.
Jen

Chris Nordling · 11-04-2002, 08:03 AM

Go Crabbait !! [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

Quick, there's a NFR football thread on page one.... better send it to LIG before it gets too heated

j/k

Chris

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Gus Orviston · 11-04-2002, 08:08 AM

BOE ...ROTFLMAO...too funny

While fishing I was thinking...
Is Mannix against fisherman or for property rights? I myself am for property rights, and believe that is his position as well...gee I know I like to fish , but it isn't right to take land away or edict how your land can be used after you purchased it. You could compensate those that loose property value, like some propose, but I don't want to pay higher taxes to pay for our state governments antics.

is that enough fish for the topic :grin:

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crabbait · 11-04-2002, 08:12 AM

Here's what gives: The comments I edited were completely non-fishing related, intended to inflame, or contained name calling (including name calling of Mr. Mannix).

Two were related to Roe v. Wade - one pro, one con. The only right-to-life debate we need here is on the CnR thread. Regardless of your point of view we are not going to settle this here and it would only lead to people getting angry and flaming each other.

I don't vote in Oregon and I try to stay as non-political as possible.

Say anything you want as it relates to fishing or fish habitat, etc. Start trying to make folks mad or calling each other or the candidates names and it will get edited. That's my job.

Point-of-Sale Clerk · 11-04-2002, 08:20 AM

crabbait

you are doing a great job...

keep it up

*** Clerk

TheRogue · 11-04-2002, 08:32 AM

Quote:

The only right-to-life debate we need here is on the CnR thread.

You do a great job, don't sweat it!!

TR

garyk · 11-04-2002, 08:53 AM

SandySteel, I learned the same thing this weekend about Mannix's stated intent- thanks for beating me to the punch in posting it.

This is EXTREMELY important and should be a severe warning about where Mannix stands on sportsman's right to use public property, and access to rivers. Too bad it's coming so late, after so many have voted.

What is so chilling is that Sandy River decision is solidly grounded in law, based on the Federal Constitution, State Constitution and is the outcome of the navigation process delineated by the Oregon Legislature (which included rep.Mannix) to resolve these long-standing questions river by river. For Mannix to state that he's willing to overturn all of this is frightening indeed, and would seem to indicate his contempt for any rules contrary to his beliefs.

King Fisher · 11-04-2002, 09:15 AM

Do we have short term memory? :whazzup: Mannix is the one who said he would keep hatcheries open when we were being threatened. I think we should all keep that in mind.

Just a thought [img]graemlins/idea.gif[/img]

GutshotApe · 11-04-2002, 09:30 AM

SSteel - When & where did Mannix say it? In what context, etc? I don't think the governor could reverse such a decision easily or without serious political consequences. Or could he? Doesn't really matter because Mannix isn't going to be our new governor.

OneLastCast · 11-04-2002, 09:38 AM

I agree with a portion of GaryK's third paragraph.
I think it would be extremely difficult for Mannix to overturn the decision made from a process as defined by the ORS. If he did and the NWS appealed I would believe that they would upheld in court.
As usual, all the politicians scare me.

OneLastCast

fishing is life · 11-04-2002, 09:47 AM

on the govenor issue of highwater marks i think this is a fishing related issue. i am for the bankies on this one. but i can understand the landowners views. at Mciver park above Dog creek there are usually 20 boats tied up to the trees and left there months at a time. the reason they get away with this is because they have the highwater ruling to jusitfy the boats being left there. if i was a landowner and somebody tied a boat to a root wad below the highwater mark that would make me upset. oh well if i just voted for fishing issues i would vote for Kulongowski.

King Fisher · 11-04-2002, 10:04 AM

This is a tough issue, we fisherman need to come up with a plan such as other fisheries have for their hatcheries so we don't have to rely on the Governors. I for one don't have the plan, but one needs to be written so we do not have to get political. [img]graemlins/icon_argue.gif[/img]

NWaddict · 11-04-2002, 10:25 AM

ya, this topic isn't fishing related at all. Nothing to do with fishing. I guess it's okay to talk about the sandy navigability issue so long as it doesn't stray into a matter of politics. God forbid anything intellectually or ethically challenging be discussed on ifish. Wouldn't life be so hunky dory if we all just agreed on everything. Maybe the posting guidelines should be changed to "conform to republican ideals," make it a lot easier to understand.

Point-of-Sale Clerk · 11-04-2002, 10:28 AM

NWaddict

"conform to republican ideals" :shocked:

ouch, that one is going to sting just a little :grin:

fishbane · 11-04-2002, 01:01 PM

Republican ideals that send shivers down my spine.

On this issue directly.
As long as you don't cross o-ver the high water line you should be fine. You should never klnowingly trespass if you can help it. I myself always carry an extra trash bag when I'm on the banks and pick up otehr peoples trash as I go. But then as some may point out I am more to the left as far as the enviorment is concerened even to the point of looking into a good hybrid car( they have accords now and the toyota that are full sized cars) I believe in this becuase less gas going into the enviorment, less money going into terrorist hands. That is were your oil money goes folks.
and less money lining the posckets of our corupt oil admin like our president and his vp.

You can't trust Manix at all he has already been caught out and out lieing in his speeches and ads. even to the point where law enforment agencies came out and said we fully support Ted.

so make your own decision. But remenber Manix will support business that will effect the fishing your children in negetive ways.- they won't be able to fish if there are no fish.

foxer · 11-04-2002, 04:13 PM

Give me a break. There were two different Law enforcement associations, one supports Mannix, one Kulongoski. If you were about to have your PERS messed with, who would you support. Mannix is not the environmental boogie man that all you liberals make him out to be. And yes, Mannix supports businesses. You do want your children to have someplace to work dont you? Thats basic economics folks, no tax breaks for the big busineses, no good paying jobs for the masses..Mayor Vera is just starting to realize this....Now where is that tree that needs to be hugged

CATCH AND EAT · 11-04-2002, 04:26 PM

NFR!!!!! NFR!!!! Boy Crabbait, fishing must have been tough this weekend buddy. Lots of editing. Just be glad that it will all be over tomorrow and Ted Koolaidgoski will be goobernor of OREGON.

Four more years of Blame the Republicans for this dead fish or for some dam that got built.

It will be interesting to see just what happens in the next four years

Hard for me to be positive on this one.

Oh yeah....did you know that El-nino is the Republicans fault too? Causes the little fishes to not have enough to eat therefore making them easy prey for sealions and seals. They are also republicans faults.

Just vote and live with the results. :tongue:

garyk · 11-04-2002, 04:50 PM

Fishbane wrote: "On this issue directly.
As long as you don't cross o-ver the high water line you should be fine."

Sorry, but on the contrary, the current trespass case on the John Day (cited below high water mark) is the case in point.

The Steelheaders have spent (I believe, and SandySteel will correct me here) in excess of $30,000 to help fight this citation and preserve the public's right to waters that have not been 'officially declared' as navigible. Even though the Steelheaders won at trial, more legal exenses will be added as the losers, with the Oregon Cattleman's Assoc. as intervenors, have appealed the decision.

Just try fishing without access to the rivers.

Otherwise, I agree with your sentiments.

Jennie@ifish · 11-04-2002, 04:55 PM

Quote:

conform to republican ideals

Hey! Wait a minute!
I'm not a republican, and this is my web page!

Fair play!

Jen

Uglygreen · 11-04-2002, 05:08 PM

Hey fishbane,

You Wrote:

"You can't trust Manix at all he has already been caught out and out lieing in his speeches and ads. even to the point where law enforment agencies came out and said we fully support Ted."

I believe that all the following sheriffs endorsed Kevin Mannix:

Troy Hale, Baker county
Rodd Clark, Crook county
Kent Owens, Curry county
Jim Main, Douglas county
Glen Palmer, Grant county
Dave Daniels, Josephine county
Tim Evinger, Klamath county
Dan Noelle, Multnomah county
Steve Oliver, Union county
David Rouse, Wheeler county
Bob Prinslow, former Marion sheriff
Bruce Oester, former Columbia sheriff
Carl Burkhart, former Klamath sheriff

Plus I believe that the Oregon State Police Officers' Association endorsed Kevin Mannix as well.

Where have you been? NO FIBBING!!!

UG

Uglygreen · 11-04-2002, 05:10 PM

Oh, and I still havent seen any confirmation of the Sandy River thing, where is it?

UG

The Fishing Geek · 11-04-2002, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Uglygreen:
Hey fishbane,

You Wrote:

"You can't trust Manix at all he has already been caught out and out lieing in his speeches and ads. even to the point where law enforment agencies came out and said we fully support Ted."

I believe that all the following sheriffs endorsed Kevin Mannix:

Troy Hale, Baker county
Rodd Clark, Crook county
Kent Owens, Curry county
Jim Main, Douglas county
Glen Palmer, Grant county
Dave Daniels, Josephine county
Tim Evinger, Klamath county
Dan Noelle, Multnomah county
Steve Oliver, Union county
David Rouse, Wheeler county
Bob Prinslow, former Marion sheriff
Bruce Oester, former Columbia sheriff
Carl Burkhart, former Klamath sheriff

Plus I believe that the Oregon State Police Officers' Association endorsed Kevin Mannix as well.

Where have you been? NO FIBBING!!!

UG

Okay, I can play the game too. The following sheriffs support Ted Kulongoski:

Clackamas County Sheriff, Pat Detloff
Marion County Sheriff, Raul Ramirez
Benton County Sheriff , Jim Swinyard
Clatsop County Sheriff, John Raichl
Gilliam County Sheriff, Michael Parker
Multnomah Sheriff-elect, Bernie Giusto

How about law enforcement/public safety groups?

Oregon Association of Chiefs of Police for Safer Communities
Oregon Council of Police Associations
Oregon State Fire Fighters Association
Association of Oregon Corrections Employees
AFSCME-Oregon

District Attorneys, anyone?

Benton County District Attorney, Scott Heiser
Clackamas County District Attorney, John Foote
Clatsop County District Attorney, Josh Marquis
Coos County District Attorney, Paul Burgett
Crook County District Attorney, Gary Williams
Deschutes County District Attorney, Michael Dugan
Harney County District Attorney, Timothy Colahan
Jackson County District Attorney, Mark Huddleston
Klamath County District Attorney, Ed Caleb
Lake County District Attorney, David Schutt
Lane County District Attorney, Douglas Harcleroad
Malheur County District Attorney, Dan Norris
Morrow County District Attorney, David Allen
Multnomah County District Attorney, Michael Schrunk
Polk County District Attorney, John Fisher
Tillamook County District Attorney, William Porter
Umatilla County District Attorney, Christopher Brauer
Wallowa County District Attorney, Daniel Ousley
Wasco County District Attorney, Eric Nisley

Okay, enough name dropping. Let's talk fishing topics again.

The Fishing Geek · 11-04-2002, 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by Jennie@ifish:
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> conform to republican ideals

Hey! Wait a minute!
I'm not a republican, and this is my web page!

Fair play!

Jen<hr /></blockquote>Oh NO! IT'S THE LIBERAL MEDIA AT WORK!

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Point-of-Sale Clerk · 11-04-2002, 05:28 PM

That's it, I'm putting on my tin foil hat :grin:

Uglygreen · 11-04-2002, 05:32 PM

Hey Geek

I never said that no one supported Ted...

Fishbane said that the police agencys "fully" supported sleepy Ted. I just pointed out the fib in that statment.

Ted also has the endorsement of John Kitzhaber, need I say more?

UG

bigfishon · 11-04-2002, 06:22 PM

when they outlaw fishing, only outlaws will fish. I don't think you will do much at this point in an election (especialy on ifish) to change the outcome of the vote, just not enough time left, and not to many people that mater will see it here. And the way I see it political figures are not that reliable in keeping their promises. I think they most likely have much bigger & much more evil plans in mind than what they are telling you at the moment. Be afraid, Be very afraid, they may be calling in their alian friends the Teletubbies at this very moment to cause major havac on the riverbanks below the high water line...... And watch your eggs, I hear they use them for space craft fuel.....

SandySteel · 11-04-2002, 06:37 PM

Wow! Hot button. I just posted the information that I received from the Steelheader's legislative liason, Phil Donovan. I have a call in to him to get the source and context of this piece of information.

I am taking from Shane's defense of me that I was flamed a bit from posting this. Not finding it when I came back just piques my curiosity. Oh well. Some folks can't resist name calling. Perhaps without something substantive to say on the topic that refutes my statements they have to resort to flaming and character assassination.

I think that in the short term Kevin is making a lot of promises that he can't keep to try to win an election he has lost. Appease as many groups as possible on their hot button issue and perhaps he can cobble enough votes together to make it close. I think that was the case in this issue as well as the hatchery issue.
Kevin also promised to support dredging the Columbia which could potentially do dramatic damage to the lower river fishing and crabbing.

Until the Republican party in this state can come back to center and nominate a candidate that isn't in the back pocket of the radical right with the land rights, environment, and social agenda I won't be back as a voter for them in the governors race. This has gone on for several years now. The only reason we ended up with Barbara Roberts as Gov is because Al Mobley ran and took critical votes away from Dave Frohnmeier who would have made an excellent governor. Even this year when it looked like Jack Roberts might win the radical right threatened to put Bill Sizemore on the ballot. It's unfortunate because the Republicans in the state have a long record of taking care of the little guy, caring for the environment, being socially conscious, and taking care of things fiscally too. Men like Tom McCall, Bob Packwood, Mark Hatfield, and others have been replaced by the likes of Bill Sizemore and Kevin Mannix. Talk about a shift.

Crabbait... keep up the good work.

The Fishing Geek · 11-04-2002, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Uglygreen:
Hey Geek

I never said that no one supported Ted...

Fishbane said that the police agencys "fully" supported sleepy Ted. I just pointed out the fib in that statment.

Ted also has the endorsement of John Kitzhaber, need I say more?

UG

Nah, you can stop talking anytime now.

:grin:

But I've got two words back for ya: Loren Parks. :shocked:

Alligator · 11-04-2002, 06:43 PM

Mannix supports fishermen and fisherwomen. He will do all he can do to help fish hatcheries and the economies that are supported by the fishing trade.

Mannix says no more taxes! He wants lower property taxes and no sales tax.

Mannix will support schools and I think he might even support fishing guide classes for Northwest schools. :grin: I guess this is kind of a stretch. But hey the other guy probably doesn't even like to eat fish. :shocked:

Oh by the way, I think a Governor just today took away the Democratic majority in the Senate by naming a independant as Senator for Minnesota. I'm not sure about this but does this mean our Vice President will have to vote to break ties in the Senate which could lead to conservative supreme court justices being appointed and approved? And this is a Governer making this call. Humm.

I could be wrong but was Just wondering.

Mannix will help the fishing community. :tongue:

willametteriveroutlaw · 11-04-2002, 06:48 PM

Hey if I wanted to listen to talk about NFR politics, I would go to the life in general section, Jen can u put this there pullllllleeeese.
TV, is already ruined, please not IFISH.

Jerry Dove · 11-04-2002, 07:15 PM

23hours and 47minutes more. Them back to normal.

The Fishing Geek · 11-04-2002, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alligator:
Mannix supports fishermen and fisherwomen. He will do all he can do to help fish hatcheries and the economies that are supported by the fishing trade.

Mannix says no more taxes! He wants lower property taxes and no sales tax.

Mannix will support schools and I think he might even support fishing guide classes for Northwest schools. :grin: I guess this is kind of a stretch. But hey the other guy probably doesn't even like to eat fish. :shocked:

Oh by the way, I think a Governor just today took away the Democratic majority in the Senate by naming a independant as Senator for Minnesota. I'm not sure about this but does this mean our Vice President will have to vote to break ties in the Senate which could lead to conservative supreme court justices being appointed and approved? And this is a Governer making this call. Humm.

I could be wrong but was Just wondering.

Mannix will help the fishing community. :tongue:

You are referring to Jesse Ventura's reaction to Sen. Wellstone memorial service/democratic rally. He was going to appoint a demo in honor of Wellstone but after he walked out of the memorial service he said that he would look into appointing an Indie. And he did. Jeffers is the other Indie but he tends to vote to the left. This gentleman will likely do the same, so relying on Uncle Dick to decide a split is unlikely.

<requisite fishing material>Minnesota: that's the land of 10,000 lakes, right? Betcha there's a lot of fishing going on over there.</requisite fishing material>

Straydog · 11-04-2002, 07:19 PM

Willametteriveroutlaw,

What I want to know is, just who is this big meany making you read these posts??? :whazzup:

Whoever it is, they sure must have a lot of power over you.

The Fishing Geek · 11-04-2002, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by willametteriveroutlaw:
Hey if I wanted to listen to talk about NFR politics, I would go to the life in general section, Jen can u put this there pullllllleeeese.
TV, is already ruined, please not IFISH.

While I can truly feel for you, I would also remind you that most gun-related topics go in the hunting section, and that means that nobody's holding a gun to your head to make you read these.

:grin:

GutshotApe · 11-04-2002, 07:22 PM

Geek - Yeah, but won't this make the R's now the majority and therefore able to name the senate majority leader and all committee chairs for the upcoming lameduck 2 months? And be able to confirm Bush's nominees? And, did you know, fishing for stripers in the Potomac can be good this time of year?

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fishwhenican · 11-04-2002, 07:32 PM

I just want to say that when you are a "Liberal Redneck" such as myself, it can all be rather confusing. But I am not near as confused as some. "Reported to you live, from the peoples rebulblic of Eugene"

willametteriveroutlaw · 11-04-2002, 07:42 PM

It was an accident, sorry I'll do my best not to look at threads that are equivelent to ******* in the wind. [img]graemlins/icon_argue.gif[/img]
Fishing Geek,
Yes, there are some gun related posts on the hunting boards, but there are rod related posts on the fishing board.

My point is that all of this chatter isn't going to change anyones mind.. And no matter what they say now, either one of them will most likely screw us anyways.
There I have said my peace,

Now let the rains come and let there be fish and fish storys, and no more elections for 2 more years.

The Fishing Geek · 11-04-2002, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GutshotApe:
Geek - Yeah, but won't this make the R's now the majority and therefore able to name the senate majority leader and all committee chairs for the upcoming lameduck 2 months? And be able to confirm Bush's nominees? And, did you know, fishing for stripers in the Potomac can be good this time of year?

Previous to Wellstone's death it was 50 D's, 49 R's, and an I. Now that one D is now D-ceased it's 49-49-2. Confusion reigns...still.

willametteriveroutlaw · 11-04-2002, 07:44 PM

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1pump · 11-04-2002, 09:02 PM

Sorry, crabbait, I promise not to call Mannix or anyone else a "Richard Cranium" ever again. (at least on this board)

Speaking of craniums, this tinfoil hat retains too much heat. Anybody know where I can get Gore-Tex tinfoil? Maybe something in a nice shade of "shadow grass" for duck season? :grin:

crabbait · 11-04-2002, 09:18 PM

Enough? Enough. Off to the general forum it goes. :tongue:

bigeddy · 11-05-2002, 06:34 AM

i find it pretty sad that this topic is not found to be "fishing related". This issue is more important than what kind of hooks you use, how to cure your eggs, or how big the last fish was you caught and posting a picture of it. Bottom line: if you don't have access to the river to fish it, then whats the point. having the best bait aint gonna matter when you cant use them to fish the areas your entitled too. its interesting that this topic needs to be edited and moved to keep people from discussing it when its of such vital importance. whose agenda are we following...

TheRogue · 11-05-2002, 07:29 AM

SOMEBODY just got a new login...not even gonna ask for a story, since I'll bet it's someone with a bone to pick that's already a user??

Unfortunately, things like this always degenerate into something else..Dem vs Rep, etc. It belongs in this forum!!

TR

DanS · 11-05-2002, 08:18 AM

I'm with bigeddy. This IS fishing related. What kind of hooks and cure you use won't mean jack squat if you can't get access to the rivers.

"Mannix supports fishers".........by restricting their access?????? What a joke.

I don't care if he's R, D, or I.....if he's looking to override this decision, he's an ENEMY of anglers, regardless of his views on hatchery funding.