Mannix's money man.....

Straydog · 10-31-2002, 05:52 AM

the story below was published around the time of the primaries.

The "star" of the story Mr. Parks just donated a quarter mil to the Mannix campaign this week.

Is the the type of friends we want our next governor to have? Is this who we want to own our next governor?

AAAhhhh..... family values. Oh, but what the hey, he SAYS he will support hatcheries!

http://www.wweek.com/flatfiles/News2754.lasso

TheRogue · 10-31-2002, 06:10 AM

Sometimes you have to wonder, with the bit of election laws we do have, why a person would give a candidate that type of money?? It's going to get back to the public, and it's going to be plastered EVERYWHERE in the news. Is whatever the money buys worth the negative reaction it's going to spawn from so many people??

Let's see, would I vote for someone who gets their money from unions and large groups, which kinda sorta represents "the people", or would I vote for a candidate who gets the bulk of their money from single contributors and large businesses??

I don't care what they say, when you give that kind of money, you EXPECT something specific in return, which is pretty scary, considering Mr. Parks track record over the years!!!

TR

BTW, did anyone notice the last finance report on the governor's campaign?? Pretty close $$ wise, but a large chunk of Mannix's money(don't remember exactly how much) was borrowed!! Sounds a lot like how he wants to run state government, doesn't it!

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The Fishing Geek · 10-31-2002, 06:33 AM

You mean that the people who give all that money to a candidate want something in return? I figured that it was just out of the kindness of their hearts, just to make sure that both candidates are adequately funded, for the sake of the state.

I feel so...wronged.

:grin:

Straydog · 10-31-2002, 06:37 AM

Excellant point TR....

Beyond wondering why a guy would give it, I have to wonder why a guy would accept it!?!?!

Of course, as you pointed out, Kevin very much wants to run this state and it appears will stop at little to do so.

I remember during the last Presidential election being amazed that the Southern Oregon Timber Industry Association, the same folks that lament loss of jobs and squashing of their financial abilities, came up with $500,000 to get to meet with then canididate Bush in Portland. (how many jobs would that buy???)
Not coincidently in my mind did now President Bush come to Medford, Oregon to announce his new forest plan (although he didn't really announce anything but his intentions to open the woods to more cutting, which is not all bad.)

The point, you pay the money, you expect and usually receive the rewards of your giving.

happybrew · 10-31-2002, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Straydog:
the "star" of the story Mr. Parks just donated a quarter mil to the Mannix campaign this week.

Is the the type of friends we want our next governor to have?

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">It's certainly the type of friend that I'd like to have! None of my friends give me a quarter mil. Maybe he can be my friend too!

happpybrew

10-31-2002, 09:51 AM

Politics=corruption
It doesn't matter which party.

TheRogue · 10-31-2002, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Politics=corruption
It doesn't matter which party

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">Sadly, it's so very true! Just seems like maybe the Dems are better at hiding it than the Reps?

TR

dogfishboy · 10-31-2002, 10:57 AM

Seems like I remember something in the article about a democrat spokesperson saying that if they got that kind of money they would expect favors to be asked of them and they wondered what Parks wanted from Mannix. OK, this is not a quote so don't jump on me. Did anyone catch that comment. Maybe I need to look thought the stack of papers and find the remarks. Seemed odd anyone would admit this.

Deepslayer · 10-31-2002, 08:14 PM

Seems to me like we have a supreme court justice, who had the same type of sexual allegations against him when he was up for nomination. I don't remember him being found guilty of any of them. I am afraid that I have problems believing anything in print in the newspapers close to election time!!

Big Dog · 11-01-2002, 08:45 AM

Quote:

They also produced a bizarre document--characterized as a "contract to have a sexual relationship"--that Guerin purportedly signed prior to the Baltic cruise. "We will be sleeping together on the trip for our mutual pleasure," the statement reads. "Neither of us is obligated to continue an intimate relationship following the trip. All this has been discussed with my supervisor, Claudine Gilmore."

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">To me it looks like Parks hired a prostatote for his vaction and she is upset because the relationship is over.

I think she is just looking for a quick buck.

With the amount of money it seems to take to promote a campain these days I say take the money from were ever you can legally get it.

Just my .02

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foxer · 11-01-2002, 08:53 AM

Funny how its only the democrats and the liberal newspapers that are hammering on this story. This guy was given contibutions to quite a few conservvative candidates in the past. I think he even gets some kind of tax deducction as well. Everybody who gives money to political figures expects something in return. They expect the candidate to hold tru to their campaign promises

CATCH AND EAT · 11-01-2002, 11:32 PM

Yeah....and Bill clinton was innocent. He did'nt really have sex with Monica. And Hilary really is a "woman?".

:depressed:

Straydog · 11-02-2002, 09:26 AM

Why is it everyone was so glad to get rid of the Clinton's yet now that they are gone insist in looking backwards to justify current wrongs with the folks they like?

When did we as a society change to "two wrongs do indeed make a right?"

Clinton did a whole lot wrong and he is gone... does that mean now that all wrongs by the other side will be forgiven because the Clinton's did wrong?????

This is especially ironic coming from supporters of the party that is supposed to be all about personal responsibilty. I guess what you are saying is "he started it!!! MMMoooommmmm, he started it!!!!!" "I'm tellin!!!"

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GutshotApe · 11-02-2002, 10:10 AM

Straydog - He may be out of office but, unfortunately, Clinton isn't gone. Clinton, "King of the Grifters", was in Eugene Thursday stumping for Bill Bradbury. It seems incomprehensible why anyone would want support from someone like Bill Clinton. However, many democrats apparently have short memories, believe in situational ethics, or have some other impairment of judgement and/or moral values because Clinton still draws big crowds of people, many of whom otherwise appear to be normal, wherever he goes.

crabbait · 11-02-2002, 12:00 PM

Oh yeah, I am sooooo glad we got rid of the Clintons! Eight long years of peace and prosperity, all that budget surplus to try to get rid of, biggest news was a bunch of tired jealous old men trying to find out who the President may have had sex with.

Not like good old now, on the brink of war, enonomy completely in the tank with no plan for recovery and most of my friends out of work, one terrorist act after another and the guy with his finger on the atomic trigger can't even pronounce "nuclear". Oh, boy.

At least we had a pretty good idea who Bill Clinton was doing.

GutshotApe · 11-02-2002, 06:23 PM

A lot of people did well in the '90s but it wasn't because of anything Clinton did. The boom started before Clinton was elected but the recession began well before he left office. There are thousands of out-of-work or displaced timber workers who depended on Clinton to "solve" the forest problem. He cooked up a scam, I mean plan, that failed to produce even 5% of the timber promised (which itself was about 1/5 of previous sustainable - yes, sustainable -yields).

Clinton is a low-bred cur [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img] and if he had any class, which he doesn't, he would go back to Arkansas and shut up.

Just my opinion.

The Fishing Geek · 11-02-2002, 07:24 PM

All things considered, I'd rather trade all this Iraqi war bologna for a simple "who did what to whom in the Oval Office".

Clinton was scum, but...*sigh*. Innocense lost.

GutshotApe · 11-02-2002, 07:49 PM

Geek - Yeah, I'd trade having Clinton back in office if that somehow could eliminate the threat Islamic terrorism poses. Not to beat a dead horse, but some people seem to have forgotten that back on 9/11/01 about 3000 Americans were killed by arab terrorists. They want to do it again and probably will. Is Iraq the #1 problem? I don't know; but if not #1, it is near the top of the list of perps. We may never know all the details but I, for one, am damned glad Bush, Cheney et al are at the helm, running the national defense, instead of Clinton/Algore.

I only wish Bush would quit talking about it and get on with the program. What's the use of being the world's only superpower if we're not willing to act like it?

Deepslayer · 11-02-2002, 08:00 PM

Those three thousand probably wouldn't have died if Slick Willy had taken Osama Bin Laden, when he was offered to turn him over!!!!!

FM2 · 11-02-2002, 09:42 PM

It's sad to see how people see a current economy as the problem of the current President. Budgets are formulated years in advance but no one can predict the variables that bounce a budget around.

There are party politics around today largely due to people remaining in their camps. Look at the reality of today's economy, why is unemployment up in Oregon? Can anyone accurately predict what is going to happen one year from now! Doubt it. How about rather than finger pointing that people try to solve problems, not create or invent new ones....hummmm!!!

roadsend · 11-03-2002, 05:23 AM

After more than 50 years as a democrat, I changed to Republican some years ago during the Clinton regime. I plan on voting for Kevin Mannix, whom I have respected for years, for governer. His accepting money from the likes of Parks is reprehensible. I do not see where Parks political agenda does any good for Oregon. I left the Democats because of their sleaze and extremism (ask any NRA member). I just hope that folks like Parks do not make the Republicans smell just as bad.

Straydog · 11-03-2002, 09:32 AM

Roadsend,

Some food for thought concerning Loren Parks and his owership of Kevin Mannix...

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/orego...1722255961.xml

roadsend · 11-03-2002, 04:02 PM

Stray Dog-
Scary stuff. If all of that is true, Mannix is owned by Parks. There ought to be a requirement for those who bankroll a measure to have their names on the ballot with that measure. Parks scares me. But so does Kulongoski's political partie's stand on gun control. Who should we write in?

Alligator · 11-03-2002, 06:00 PM

Vote for Mannix

Straydog · 11-03-2002, 06:50 PM

I think gun control is too big and near and dear to people's hearts for anyone to get far tearing them down.

I went for Ted.

Wouldn't it be nice to just once have a candidate you really, really, really backed and wanted to be Governor with a passion?

GutshotApe · 11-03-2002, 07:04 PM

I held my nose and voted for Mannix, although I never really liked his TV show. Seriously, I bet Kulongoski wins with about 57% of the vote, Mannix with 37%, the rest for the minor candidates. This is basically a Democrat state, after all, and Mannix doesn't seem to generate much crossover potential.

Since I've been voting, there's never been a candidate for governor or higher office of any major party that really made me want to support or help get elected nor any who ever inspired much real passion, etc. The people I'd like to see run couldn't get elected and/or wouldn'y make the sacrifices and take the abuse necessary to run & win. Governor, Congressman, Senator, President - its all the same story. :depressed:

Straydog · 11-03-2002, 07:38 PM

GSA,

Your last sentence says it all!

I agree!

Whopper Stopper · 11-04-2002, 04:08 PM

At best Clinton was a good speech maker. I still can't figure out what that guy stands for. I shudder to think of what would have happend if Slick Willie was in office when Saddam invaded Kuwait and threatened to control half of the worlds oil. I shudder to think what would have happend if Gore was in office to react to 9-11 and Saddam's current lust for nuclear weapons.

garyk · 11-04-2002, 10:45 PM

Hey, those of you bemoaning G.B.Jr., buck up and take heart!

His direct quote this evening, from some campaign stop, was -

"...this country will be more better".

That's our president (deep sigh).

J.Slay · 11-04-2002, 11:47 PM

All sorts of good stuff here on the candidates, Rep.s and Dem.s. Kulongoski is no Kitzhaber, but at least he seems bland enough compared to Kevin Mannix. That guy is WHACKED and scary, and believes (as a non-native Oregonian) that he knows how to "Move Oregon Forward"? Party loyalty aside, no way do I vote for this guy.

Clinton Vs. GW Bush - Complain if you want to, but I'll take an immoral, yet effective president who was commited to protecting our environment over some oil industrialist who has absolutely no clue on domestic affairs. If it weren;t for this so-called "war" this guy may be impeached just for being an idiot.

Straydog · 11-05-2002, 05:03 AM

Garyk,

It just plumb makes ya proud to be a 'Merican, now don't it.
Why, he just makes me happier 'en a Pig in mud!

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GutshotApe · 11-05-2002, 07:44 AM

I believe W was in Arkansas yesterday and intentionally mangled his English in order to fit in with the crowd and to allow them to identify with him...............I hope.