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Old 01-30-2009, 04:21 PM   #1
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Wondering what you guys think is the best broadhead on these 3 animals ?
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Old 01-30-2009, 04:42 PM   #2
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Old 01-30-2009, 04:46 PM   #3
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shuttle T's. put the arrow in the right spot and let god do the rest
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Old 01-30-2009, 05:07 PM   #4
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I like muzzy's, "bad to the bone"
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I've never shot them myself but my buddies have had good results with both the Montec G5 and the shuttle T's.

I personally have had good luck with Muzzy's and also, Wac em's. I prefer the Wac em over the Muzzy's, I feel I get better flight with them.
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thunderheads for me, I only use the 85 grain. never had a problem with them. Good blood trails and happy endings.
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Old 01-30-2009, 05:38 PM   #7
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shot placement is the main thing. im my 4 years of stick flinging i have killed a deer and elk with the shuttle t's and neither animal went more than 10 yds. i dont know if they are "better" than the rest they are just what i use and have heard nothing bad about.
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Steelforce. Never put one into a deer or a bear, but they work great on elk. I've seen deer that have been shot w/em and they work good on them too.
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Old 01-30-2009, 06:10 PM   #10
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I like the Montec G5, but I am switching this year to the Rocky Mountain Blitz this year. Have heard nothing but great things about them
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SHOT PLACEMENT broadheads.

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Old 01-30-2009, 06:25 PM   #12
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Shuttle t's work for me.
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Really any sharp broadhead out of a well tuned bow will kill an elk and bear
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Old 01-30-2009, 07:21 PM   #14
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Really any sharp broadhead out of a well tuned bow will kill an elk and bear



I'm more conserned with how the broadhead affects my arrow than the game I shoot a plain old muzzy three blade. Never had a problem; or a track.
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Old 01-30-2009, 07:26 PM   #15
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I like a 300 weatherb..... oh wait, wrong thread.
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Old 01-30-2009, 07:38 PM   #16
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Another one for Shuttle-T's but any sharp broadhead put in the right spot will do the trick.
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Old 01-30-2009, 08:11 PM   #17
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Shuttle Tlocks for me best flying broadhead I have ever shot I have only used them for a yr no kills yet but I have heard nothing but good.I just like to know what everybody else uses
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Old 01-30-2009, 08:16 PM   #18
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hands down SLICK TRICKS
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Old 01-30-2009, 08:24 PM   #19
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Never had a problem with my muzzy's. I used a few different types and found that as long it was a well placed shot, they all did fine. And, when I missed, the all did terrible.

I wonder what a thread like this is like in a state that allows expandables?
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Old 01-30-2009, 09:54 PM   #20
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Whatever patterns the best. Currently partial to to the G5 montecs. They're easy to sharpen and even after shooting through the backstop, hitting a barbed-wire fence and a few rocks, stayed true.
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Old 01-30-2009, 10:07 PM   #21
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Seems like a lot of guys are likeing the Shuttle T the last couple of years. I personaly shoot Wasp but I'm old fashioned and don't like to change something that has worked well for me.
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Old 01-31-2009, 05:10 AM   #22
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I've shot 3 blade Muzzy 100's for years and love them.


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hands down SLICK TRICKS
Didn't you guys used to shoot Wac Em's?

I ran into a guy in the woods 2 years ago who shot Slick Tricks and he loved them. Never tried 'em though.
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Old 01-31-2009, 05:23 AM   #23
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I honestly believe any sharp broadhead will cause enough hemorrhaging to take big game. The most important aspect is shot placement. Truth be told a field point will kill all animals that you list.... You just need to put your arrow in the right place. Whatever broadhead you feel comfortable with is more important than style or design.... If you are shooting a new bow that is around 280+ FPS you will need to look for a short broadhead to minimise planing. Lastly the most overlooked part of a picking a broadhead is that you will need to shoot them and make sure every one of your broadhead tipped arrows are flying correctly. I suggest numbering your hunting arrows and shooting them a few times with the broadheads and note where they hit. Either replace the blades or sharpen before your hunt. There is something special about taking an arrow that you have numbered (like #4) and remembering the last several times you shot it is hit the sweet spot, it just gives you that extra bit of confidence... I have even let my daughters number and mark the arrows this will add a little extra when you are stalking that trophy and you can look at your arrow and know your child is helping you out on that hunt, even if it is just a smiley face that they drew on one of your arrows, Or my favorite the one they labeled "Buck Buster"....
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I have heard alot of guys talking up slick tricks I have never seen them being sold at the bow rack here in springfield
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Old 01-31-2009, 06:50 AM   #25
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A good old school Fred Bear broadhead with bleeder insert. We always sharpened them and then took the edge of a file and grated it down the edge creating razor sharp burs that upon penetration the burs would "catch" blood vessels and tear them instead of just slicing them.
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Dont think you can go wrong with Shuttle T's or G5 Montecs. I use Montecs and they are tough as nails. Unless you flat out shoot them at rock you will get years of use out of them.

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Old 01-31-2009, 08:29 AM   #27
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Shot an elk last year with a 4blade 100 grain muzzy, it took two steps and died
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i shoot 3 blade 125 gr muzzy
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Old 01-31-2009, 10:16 AM   #29
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Shuttle T's, but anything EXCEPT G5 Montec's is probably acceptable.

Go to Archer's Afield and ask Keola to show you the pictures of the entery/exit holes of the Shuttle T's. I've seen quite a few animal put on the ground with them, and ALL the holes look identical. HUGE, triangular HOLES....not the cute little 3 blade slices you get with some of the others (i.e. Montecs).

I've seen a few put down with the "cheap" Thunderheads, and honestly, those heads hammer through bone as good as any. My buddy killed a doe in Montana with them. Hard quartering away shot at 35. Broke a rib on the way in and the offside shoulder was shattered. Looked like it was shot with a rifle.

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Shuttle T's, but anything EXCEPT G5 Montec's is probably acceptable.

Go to Archer's Afield and ask Keola to show you the pictures of the entery/exit holes of the Shuttle T's. I've seen quite a few animal put on the ground with them, and ALL the holes look identical. HUGE, triangular HOLES....not the cute little 3 blade slices you get with some of the others (i.e. Montecs).

I've seen a few put down with the "cheap" Thunderheads, and honestly, those heads hammer through bone as good as any. My buddy killed a doe in Montana with them. Hard quartering away shot at 35. Broke a rib on the way in and the offside shoulder was shattered. Looked like it was shot with a rifle.
Not to start anything but you are going to have to explain to me what you mean about the G5's??

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G5 Montec
Second that....... Of course I've only shot 1 in my life, killed a 5x5 bull though....

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Old 01-31-2009, 11:37 AM   #32
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Not to start anything but you are going to have to explain to me what you mean about the G5's??

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Sure.

When I first started bow hunting, I was using the Montec's. Why? Because that's what all my buddies were using.

At first, I thought it was pretty cool that upon inspection of the wound, the "hole" the Montec made looked like three, neatly shaped, SLICES in the shape of the broadhead. It was the same "clean" hole in the skin, bone, lungs, liver, heart, etc....every time.

Now, I'll admit that the heads worked fine on smaller game (i.e. deer and antelope), and a well placed shot in the vitals WILL kill any animal, regardless of what head you're using. INTERNAL bleeding WILL happen, and is what KILLS an animal. Unfortunately, we track animals by the EXTERNAL bleeding. This is how we FIND the killed animal.

That said, what concerned us was that game, in particular elk, were being lost (it's important to note I said "lost", not lived)...even after near perfect shots were placed on the animal.

What we began to notice was that each blood trail, whether it be deer, elk, antelope, etc. would be GREAT at the spot of the hit, and then slow, until about 100-150 yards the trail was completely gone. Basically, the entry/exit holes were CLOSING.

So, we started to take a closer look at the animals that were recovered. Again, the "holes" were more like "slices" with the Montecs. Anyone in the medical field can tell you what type of wound is easier to close....a "tear"/hole vs. a "slice". It's the reason why we use SHARP scalpels in surgery. Tears and holes are difficult to close properly, and as a result, more post operative bleeding can occur. On the other hand, precision cuts with a sharp blade are much easier to close, both with sutures and naturally with the body's coagulation response to an injury.

So, I set out to find which broadhead would make a HOLE in an animal. A wound that would be nearly impossible to close, which in turn, would allow the blood to keep flowing EXTERNALLY (remember, this is the KEY to finding game).

So far I know of TWO that do this. The Shuttle T's and the Thunderheads. Both leave a HOLE in an animal, not the slices that you get with the Montecs. If you want to see what I'm talking about, there's a bunch of pictures at Archers Afield you can check out. Our "study results" yielded the same as Keola's, we just didn't take pictures.

So, I think that answer's your question. I would never say that the Montec's, or any broadhead for that matter, won't kill and animal...because ANY broadhead put in the vitals will kill. But, I will say that by using a broadhead which make a hole that's less "clean", you will FIND more game because you'll have more external bleeding and a better blood trail to follow. I would like to be able to tell you the results of other heads, but put simply, I'm not going to "try out" another broadhead when I KNOW what the Shuttle T's do to tissue.

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I would have to agree with this post. Shuttle T's are the only broadhead I will shoot. All broadhead will kill, but the Shuttle T's out preform the others.

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Sure.

When I first started bow hunting, I was using the Montec's. Why? Because that's what all my buddies were using.

At first, I thought it was pretty cool, upon inspection of the wound, what the "hole" the Montec made looked like. Every single time it was the same hole. Three, neatly shaped, SLICES in the shape of the broadhead.

Now, I'll admit that the heads worked fine on smaller game (i.e. deer and antelope), and a well placed shot in the vitals WILL kill any animal, regardless of what head you're using. INTERNAL bleeding WILL happen, and is what KILLS an animal. We track animals by the EXTERNAL bleeding, which is how we FIND the killed animal.

That said, what concerned us was that game, in particular, elk, were being lost...even after near perfect shots were placed on the animal.

What we began to notice was that each blood trail, whether it be deer, elk, antelope, etc. would be GREAT at the spot of the hit, and then slow, until about 100-150 yards the trail was completely gone. Basically, the entery/exit holes were CLOSING.

So, we started to take a closer look at the animals that were recovered. Again, the "holes" were more like "slices" with the Montecs. Anyone in the medical field can tell you what type of wound is easier to close....a "tear"/HOLE vs. a "slice". It's the reason why we use SHARP scalpels in surgery. Tears and holes are difficult to close properly, and as a result, more post operative bleeding can occur. On the other hand, precision cuts with a sharp blade are much easier to close, both with sutures and naturally with the body's coagulation response to an injury.

So, I set out to find which broadhead would make a HOLE in an animal. A wound that would be nearly impossible to close, which in turn, would allow the blood to keep flowing EXTERNALLY (this is the KEY).

So far I know of TWO that do this. The Shuttle T's and the Thunderheads. Both leave a HOLE in an animal, not the slices that you get with the Montecs. If you want to see what I'm talking about, there's a bunch of pictures at Archers Afield you can check out. Our "study results" yielded the same as Keola's, we just didn't take pictures.

So, I think that answer's your question. I would never say that the Montec's, or any broadhead for that matter, won't kill and animal...because ANY broadhead put in the vitals will kill. But, I will say that by using a broadhead which make a hole that's less "clean", you will FIND more game because you'll have more external bleeding and a better blood trail to follow.
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Sure.

When I first started bow hunting, I was using the Montec's. Why? Because that's what all my buddies were using.

At first, I thought it was pretty cool that upon inspection of the wound, the "hole" the Montec made looked like three, neatly shaped, SLICES in the shape of the broadhead. It was the same "clean" hole in the skin, bone, lungs, liver, heart, etc....every time.

Now, I'll admit that the heads worked fine on smaller game (i.e. deer and antelope), and a well placed shot in the vitals WILL kill any animal, regardless of what head you're using. INTERNAL bleeding WILL happen, and is what KILLS an animal. Unfortunately, we track animals by the EXTERNAL bleeding. This is how we FIND the killed animal.

That said, what concerned us was that game, in particular elk, were being lost (it's important to note I said "lost", not lived)...even after near perfect shots were placed on the animal.

What we began to notice was that each blood trail, whether it be deer, elk, antelope, etc. would be GREAT at the spot of the hit, and then slow, until about 100-150 yards the trail was completely gone. Basically, the entry/exit holes were CLOSING.

So, we started to take a closer look at the animals that were recovered. Again, the "holes" were more like "slices" with the Montecs. Anyone in the medical field can tell you what type of wound is easier to close....a "tear"/hole vs. a "slice". It's the reason why we use SHARP scalpels in surgery. Tears and holes are difficult to close properly, and as a result, more post operative bleeding can occur. On the other hand, precision cuts with a sharp blade are much easier to close, both with sutures and naturally with the body's coagulation response to an injury.

So, I set out to find which broadhead would make a HOLE in an animal. A wound that would be nearly impossible to close, which in turn, would allow the blood to keep flowing EXTERNALLY (remember, this is the KEY to finding game).

So far I know of TWO that do this. The Shuttle T's and the Thunderheads. Both leave a HOLE in an animal, not the slices that you get with the Montecs. If you want to see what I'm talking about, there's a bunch of pictures at Archers Afield you can check out. Our "study results" yielded the same as Keola's, we just didn't take pictures.

So, I think that answer's your question. I would never say that the Montec's, or any broadhead for that matter, won't kill and animal...because ANY broadhead put in the vitals will kill. But, I will say that by using a broadhead which make a hole that's less "clean", you will FIND more game because you'll have more external bleeding and a better blood trail to follow. I would like to be able to tell you the results of other heads, but put simply, I'm not going to "try out" another broadhead when I KNOW what the Shuttle T's do to tissue.
I appreciate the responce but do tend to think the cleaner the cut the harder it would be to clot? At least thats what I have always heard, while it may be easier to seal up for a doctor I dont think too many wild animals have access to a doctor and do tend to think that more of actual tearing would be easier to seal back up vs. a super sharp cut.

I am no doctor but would love to hear some in the medical field join in on the topic. I do know that you cant go wrong with the Shuttle's and many folks use them but really dont think the Montec is a bad choice either. I look at it this way there has never been so many choices so no matter what our preferances are us achers today are very blessed!

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I appreciate the responce but do tend to think the cleaner the cut the harder it would be to clot? At least thats what I have always heard, while it may be easier to seal up for a doctor I dont think too many wild animals have access to a doctor and do tend to think that more of actual tearing would be easier to seal back up vs. a super sharp cut.

I am no doctor but would love to hear some in the medical field join in on the topic. I do know that you cant go wrong with the Shuttle's and many folks use them but really dont think the Montec is a bad choice either. I look at it this way there has never been so many choices so no matter what our preferances are us achers today are very blessed!

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A good old school Fred Bear broadhead with bleeder insert. We always sharpened them and then took the edge of a file and grated it down the edge creating razor sharp burs that upon penetration the burs would "catch" blood vessels and tear them instead of just slicing them.
That IS old school right there. I use Stingers.
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There have been so many broadheads over the years, it is amazing anyone can know what to shoot. Since I believe in the k.i.s.s sytem of hunting equipment, I still shoot Bear broadheads and have only lost one animal. In my defense, it was raining really hard and I lost the trail. I have never had one plane on me if the bow was tuned properly. The only thing I do to them is sharpen the chisel point off the end so it is more of a cut on contact blade.
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Hmmm....always been a hole in the hide for me after using the Montecs? I have yet to have a 3 blade slice in the exit wound. Its been a hole that you could tell a bh did it and not a bullet but there was not just a three blade slice.

Thats been my experience anyways.

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I appreciate the responce but do tend to think the cleaner the cut the harder it would be to clot? At least thats what I have always heard, while it may be easier to seal up for a doctor I dont think too many wild animals have access to a doctor and do tend to think that more of actual tearing would be easier to seal back up vs. a super sharp cut.

I am no doctor but would love to hear some in the medical field join in on the topic. I do know that you cant go wrong with the Shuttle's and many folks use them but really dont think the Montec is a bad choice either. I look at it this way there has never been so many choices so no matter what our preferances are us achers today are very blessed!

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I'm not a MEDICAL doctor, but I am in the medical field. I do get extensive training, in lectures and surgery, and I can tell you that a CUT is MUCH easier to close than a HOLE. As I said above, whether it be with a suture, or with the bodies natural coagulation response to injury, with a precision cut vs. a hole the hole will result in much more EXTERNAL bleeding. The tissue cannot "line up" with a hole, and as such, it stays open and bleeding.

Sounds like you're pretty set on those Montec's and willing to defend them regardless of what anyone tells you, and I think that's great. If you are getting a "hole" then I don't think you can ask for much more than that. I think confidence in what you're using is probably FAR more important than anything else that's been discussed so far. So, if you're confident in them, by all means don't let me try to persuade you from using them. I'm just telling you the results from our little "study" and the results of others. I think it is important to take a look at though, and if in the future you begin to notice weak blood trails with the Montec's, I believe the Shuttle T's and the Thunderheads can help.

I've never shot a bear with them, or any broadhead for that matter. But, I hear that bears have tendency to "close up" and blood trails get weak more quickly than deer/elk/antelope. Can anyone attest to this?

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I found a couple of pictures for what you can expect from a blood trail from the Shuttle T's....did I mention I like the Shuttle T's? Now this one was exceptional, but most have been similar with one being able to stand in one spot and look ahead 50+ yards and see a bright red trail the entire way. Makes things easy.



and another about 20 yards from the one above.


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OOOOHHHHH! Now I would DEFINITELY classify that as a HOLE!
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i haven't shot the blitz broadheads yet, but from the pictures that i have seen of the holes and the bloodtrails is spectacular. It looked like someone walked through the woods with a 5 gallon can of red paint!! If you ever get into the bow rack they have a bunch of pics.. Its Awesome!!!
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I've been shooting Montecs for a few years. The Strikers are garbage unless you like you broadhead to turn into a field point when it his some bone/rib. The orginal G5's I have found to be great, but I too am starting to question the blood trail issue. The only animal that I have got a good trail on was a bull that I shot right in the heart and it was not that great. Nothing worse than shotting an animal that you know you killed and not being able to follow much blood.

You guys really think the Shuttle Ts and or Slick Tricks are that much better at opening a good hole? If so, I may have to give them a try. The most important thing is finding the animal. I don't care if I have to use Zwickeys.

No matter how good a shot you are there is no way anyone can gurantee 100% accuracy on live game. There are just too many dynamic factors and things can happen fast. I want to know that if "kill" an animal I will find it, and unless you have blood this can be a very tough thing to do in thick elk country.

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I've been shooting Montecs for a few years. The Strikers are garbage unless you like you broadhead to turn into a field point when it his some bone/rib. The orginal G5's I have found to be great, but I too am starting to question the blood trail issue. The only animal that I have got a good trail on was a bull that I shot right in the heart and it was not that great. Nothing worse than shotting an animal that you know you killed and not being able to follow much blood.

You guys really think the Shuttle Ts and or Slick Tricks are that much better at opening a good hole? If so, I may have to give them a try. The most important thing is finding the animal. I don't care if I have to use Zwickeys.

No matter how good a shot you are there is no way anyone can gurantee 100% accuracy on live game. There are just too many dynamic factors and things can happen fast. I want to know that if "kill" an animal I will find it, and unless you have blood this can be a very tough thing to do in thick elk country.
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How many large elk have you shot with them? They may be fine for smaller animals, but I have first hand experience with them disintegrating on bone. And anyone who has seen the results would never use one. I have had this debate with others and you can chose to shoot what you want, but if or when you lose an animal of your lifetime because they failed don’t say someone did not warn you. Any broadhead will work under the best conditions(between ribs). It’s under the worst conditions that you find out how good something is.

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I do believe that each person has had good experiences with the broadhead they shoot, otherwise they wouldn't be shooting them. Or at least they know someone that has had good experiences with that particular blade. I have tried several blades over the years, some have worked very well, some have not. From the Bear broadheads in 145 gr that I started hunting with to the 125 and 100 grainers,through New Archery Thunderheads, Razorbac, and HellRazors to Rockie Mountain Premiers and Muzzy Phantoms. Some worked perfectly, but not so much better than the Bears that I would justify the price difference. Some planned so bad I wondered how anyone could shoot them. Some replacable blades broke of on contact with any bone, some fixed blades turn off course upon contact with bone. There is no doubt that all of the blades that have been listed on this post work for some, and there is no doubt that some have had bad experiences with the blades I choose. Call me cheap, call me whatever, but to me I don't care what the price is if the product performs to my expectations. Being three or four times the price, does not make it a better product, just like being the cheapest doesn't make it the best choice. I have friens that will use nothing but mechanical broadheads, each having thier own choice, but to me, I don't want to rely on anything mechanical when trying to punch a hole through any game animal.
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I dont know anyone who has used Slicktricks myself but they are highly regarded on other archery sites. I think the overall design looks good and strong, but then again the Montec gets alot of good reports there as well so who knows??

Its kind of funny how the original folks to use archery tackle where using broadheads chipped out of stones and would love to have gotten their hands on most any of the ones we use today!

I do tend to think that any broadhead in the right situation could fail...or at least not yealed the results we would like. I do however think that if we put the broadhead where it belongs and is kept good and sharp will do its job. I dont want folks here to think that no matter what I am stuck on gear just because its worked for me so far but rather have a hard time stop using what has worked because of one or two people saying that it does not when you can find ten good reports for that bad one.

I know when rifle hunting and using the same bullet and loads for many years there was times when an animal would travel farther or not bleed like I thought it should or flat out defy what I thought I knew about the gear I was using even though I knew it was a good hit. Considering the power of todays firearms and awesome bullet choices out there that if it can happen with that kind of tackle its going to happen sometimes with archery when all we are using is a stick with razors at the end.

All broadheads no matter what brand or model have their fans and critics. I think many of us here are going to have to just agree to disagree and keep using what we know has worked for us in the past, Stealhead22 is right about confidence being huge when it comes to archery.


I dont mind trying new gear and in fact have thought about it but still like the fact that my broadhead choice has worked great so far and like how strong they are and easy they are to keep super sharp. No matter what we are still very lucky to get so many choices!!

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How many large elk have you shot with them? They may be fine for smaller animals, but I have first hand experience with them disintegrating on bone. And anyone who has seen the results would never use one. I have had this debate with others and you can chose to shoot what you want, but if or when you lose an animal of your lifetime because they failed don’t say someone did not warn you. Any broadhead will work under the best conditions(between ribs). It’s under the worst conditions that you find out how good something is.
Two, totaling less than 65 yards of recovery, and 2 shoulders broke, as well as two pass throughs....but we can agree bad things can happen to anyone.
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Two, totaling less than 65 yards of recovery, and 2 shoulders broke, as well as two pass throughs....but we can agree bad things can happen to anyone.
I would love to see some pics of the 2 big bulls you have shot with them in the last 3 years since they came out so we can see what kind of damage they did. Hard for me to believe those flimsy blades would not break on a shoulder of a bull elk when I have seen them break off on ribs. But if you say so, I'm sure they did for you.

Again... use what you want. Just trying to help someone avoid what I have seen with my own eyes if they are considering these blades. I have no loyalty to any blades, just some hunting experiences. Shooting an 800lb bull elk is not like shooting a 150lb deer or 300lb cow. Them bones are tough and that's the one you don't want to lose. Since the thread was also asking about bear, I would also be be afraid to shoot one of those things into a big bear.

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I dont mind trying new gear and in fact have thought about it but still like the fact that my broadhead choice has worked great so far and like how strong they are and easy they are to keep super sharp.
I couldn't agree more. The reason my "study" is officially OVER, is because I KNOW what the broadhead I use does. So, I don't need to look any further. "If it ain't broke....."
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You guys really think the Shuttle Ts and or Slick Tricks are that much better at opening a good hole?
Yeah, but I think we've established my point of view at this point.

Go to Archer's Afield and ask to see the pictures. Then, compare that with the results you've been getting. The pictures you will see there look EXACTLY like what my friends and I have been getting. I know of somewhere in the neighborhood of 20+ animals shot with them, and it's all the same story.
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How many large elk have you shot with them? They may be fine for smaller animals, but I have first hand experience with them disintegrating on bone. And anyone who has seen the results would never use one. I have had this debate with others and you can chose to shoot what you want, but if or when you lose an animal of your lifetime because they failed don’t say someone did not warn you. Any broadhead will work under the best conditions(between ribs). It’s under the worst conditions that you find out how good something is.
Well I know some will call BS ...I know jon shot a 331 P&Y roosevelt elk
at 324fps .The strikers fly great and hit where YOU aim them.
There's alot of good BH"s out. The ? is why hit the bone? We make BAD shots and blame the BH...why
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There's alot of good BH"s out. The ? is why hit the bone? We make BAD shots and blame the BH...why
I don't remember anyone saying they were trying to aim for bone or make a bad shoot. Things happen that we can't always control. People were just saying if a bad shoot were to happen; would a certain broadhead hold up.
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i haven't shot the blitz broadheads yet, but from the pictures that i have seen of the holes and the bloodtrails is spectacular. It looked like someone walked through the woods with a 5 gallon can of red paint!! If you ever get into the bow rack they have a bunch of pics.. Its Awesome!!!
Yah, that's where I got the hint to try them and absolutely love em. There great. Fly amazing to with little sound. Huge hole
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