Lead Shot Ban - WA State

Hog King · 01-27-2009, 10:19 AM

A hearing was held on Monday.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=5095

Ok Washington folks...let's make ourselves heard!

Chesapeake · 01-27-2009, 10:30 AM

Its a pretty strange bill.

They start off by siting research results that arent factual or true.

Next the bill proposes that you would not be able to use lead shot in any area the "Commission" decides you shouldnt because of exposure to waterfowl or other protected species.

Summary of Bill

: A person must not possess shot, other than nontoxic shot, when hunting

game animals, game birds, or waterfowl in those areas in which waterfowl, California

Condors, or other endangered, threatened, or sensitive species could be harmed by lead shot.
The Commission will by rule determine the areas in which a person cannot possess shot other
than nontoxic shot. Violation of this provision is a misdemeanor, with additional penalties of
a $1,000 criminal wildlife penalty assessment and a two-year revocation of a person's

hunting privileges.

Dont we already have this?

Do we even have Kalifornia Condors anyway? These two are wasting tax payers time and money.

Sponsors:Senators Jacobsen, Kline

Rank Amateur · 01-27-2009, 10:37 AM

Lets wrap our heads around this one.

1. The condor is not even here.

2. The use of lead shot is restricted already in all waterfowl hunting.

3. Lead shot can only be used for upland game (birds and rabbits) on non-wildlife areas.

Ok, what is the exposure risk to a condor??? Right now it is 0. Where would significant amounts of lead be coming from right now, I don't view Western Washington as being a meca of upland game hunting areas?

You guys know that the next move would be biggame bullets, there would definately be more exposure from that than for what limited lead shot is being dispersed now.

So what are the results out of California now that they have had the ban???

WSU · 01-27-2009, 10:52 AM

Jacobsen is always a thorn in the side of the sportsmen.

Hog King · 01-27-2009, 10:54 AM

This and other similar legisaltion is not about lead...it's about a ban on hunting. Pure and simple. Just like the Lead Chemical Action Plan (L-CAP) that Washington State published. I posted that plan here some time late 2008.

If you disagree with my take on this, just ask yoursel if other lead subtitutes (copper) are toxic in some fashion. Too much copper is indeed toxic. Is any lead alternative without some degree of "risk". Some day the anti-hunters will be targeting bismuth and other substitutes. At least that's my $0.02.

nobrownline · 01-27-2009, 02:52 PM

They are introducing condors into the CR gorge.

Limbhanger · 01-27-2009, 06:55 PM

Attacks like this are just the tip of the ice berg. A multi prong plan to nip away from a bunch of different angles.

Frenchy · 02-17-2009, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog King

A hearing was held on Monday.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=5095

Ok Washington folks...let's make ourselves heard!

Public comment period is until the first of March. Final meeting is March 6,7th in Ellensberg, Wa.

Once bans like this take hold they'll start pushing for the clay shooting ranges to be made to clean up the lead out there. It will cost millions which they can't afford so they'll all be forced to close.
We'll all be shooting steel or other non-tox for clays. Higher reloading costs, and the damage to older,expensive guns will cause some to give up the sport. Which is the true reason behind this bill, backdoor gun control.

Next thing it's lead rifle bullets, just like Cal.

I'm a former longtime Washington state resident, just moved to Or. This will make it's way across the river.
My e-mail has been sent.

billc_sbio · 02-17-2009, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nobrownline

They are introducing condors into the CR gorge.

Yeah, they just showed something about this on Orygun Field Guide on OPB the other night.

They have some student Bio-wannabe crawling around the rocks up above The Dalles trying to find remnants of Condors that might have once lived there in times past.

(Wonder if he'll find any Lynx up there?

)

Now I don't know about you, but it seems to me that IF Condors ever lived here in the past few hundred years, they'd be pretty well documented, either in the records of early explorers/mountain men (such as Lewis & Clark or the early trappers) OR early settlers, or the native Americans.

(I mean a Condor is a pretty NOTICEABLE species to miss flying around in the sky

)

I have travelled to and hunted in "Condor country" (Los Padres National Forest) along central California's Coast Range Mountains, and that terrain and habitat bears little resemblance to the east side of the Columbia River Gorge.

Also, I've never read of Condors existing even in the northern regions of California, so to me this seems like a big stretch in the Enviro-***** playbook.

I think the ODF&W should take a REALLY close look at the impact on their hunting constituency BEFORE they approve introducing California Condors into Oregon.

My

Limbhanger · 02-17-2009, 05:25 PM

Most of what these folks do is a big stretch. Look, now they call fish sea kittens to make them seem cute and lovable. I say we call sea lions river monsters and tell stories about how the river monsters are slaughtering all the defenseless sea kittens.....Oh ya, a page right out of their own play book !

I wonder what will happen when they plant condors in the gorge and then they get chopped up by the million windmills beautifying the ridge tops.........then who do they get to point their fingers at.

All you guys in Wa. can do is flood your legislators telling them what you expect. The problem is just like here though; we are out numbered.

steelheadslayer · 02-18-2009, 07:29 PM

My Reps and Senator from my district all responded in 1 day to my email. They are all against it and will do everything in their power to defeat it.
18th Distric SW Wash

Washington Hunter · 02-18-2009, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billc_sbio

Now I don't know about you, but it seems to me that IF Condors ever lived here in the past few hundred years, they'd be pretty well documented, either in the records of early explorers/mountain men (such as Lewis & Clark or the early trappers) OR early settlers, or the native Americans.

(I mean a Condor is a pretty NOTICEABLE species to miss flying around in the sky

)

Apparently Lewis & Clark did document condors in Washington/Oregon:

Quote:

Uncovering history
One of the specimens collected by Lewis and Clark was a California condor, whose range once extended north of the Columbia. A representative from the Oregon Zoo in Portland will describe the zoo's condor recovery program of captive breeding of this nearly extinct bird, and a bronze statue of a condor will be dedicated at the Port of Ilwaco.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...inview300.html

rimrock · 02-19-2009, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rank Amateur

Lets wrap our heads around this one.

1. The condor is not even here.

2. The use of lead shot is restricted already in all waterfowl hunting.

3. Lead shot can only be used for upland game (birds and rabbits) on non-wildlife areas.

Ok, what is the exposure risk to a condor??? Right now it is 0. Where would significant amounts of lead be coming from right now, I don't view Western Washington as being a meca of upland game hunting areas?

You guys know that the next move would be biggame bullets, there would definately be more exposure from that than for what limited lead shot is being dispersed now.

So what are the results out of California now that they have had the ban???

The condor is going to be reintroduced into areas of Oregon and Washington...Columbia Basin is likely the first spot. So that's probably the driver. What is the real exposure risk to the condor? There hasn't been any conclusive studies, IMHO this is more about politics than condor health.

billc_sbio · 02-19-2009, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Quote:
Originally Posted by billc_sbio

Now I don't know about you, but it seems to me that IF Condors ever lived here in the past few hundred years, they'd be pretty well documented, either in the records of early explorers/mountain men (such as Lewis & Clark or the early trappers) OR early settlers, or the native Americans.

(I mean a Condor is a pretty NOTICEABLE species to miss flying around in the sky )

Apparently Lewis & Clark did document condors in Washington/Oregon:

Quote:
Uncovering history
One of the specimens collected by Lewis and Clark was a California condor, whose range once extended north of the Columbia. A representative from the Oregon Zoo in Portland will describe the zoo's condor recovery program of captive breeding of this nearly extinct bird, and a bronze statue of a condor will be dedicated at the Port of Ilwaco.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...inview300.html

Yikes!

I stand corrected!

Ya think they died off from Lead Shot last time around?

Hmm...

shorthair · 02-20-2009, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog King

A hearing was held on Monday.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=5095

Ok Washington folks...let's make ourselves heard!

Who keeps digging up these old bills ? Just heard back from moeller that this was last years bill & has not been resubmitted. And pridemore claims its not going anywhere.