I'm sick of anti-hunter!

[BlackTail18]

i live with two of them. it really sucks. i need to hang out with some hunters soon before i turn to the dark side lol

[salmonfisher77]

I made a deal with my daughter! If she doesnt complain about me killing things I wont hang them in the garage and show all her friends when they come over! Problem Solved!

[baltz526]

start cooking, it is amazing what hungry antihunters will eat

[Limbhanger]

Originally Posted by BlackTail18

i live with two of them. it really sucks. i need to hang out with some hunters soon before i turn to the dark side lol

There is plenty of information out there you can show them that supports hunting. You dont have turn them into hunters, but you may be able to show them why hunting is important and the benefits and dollars it provides wildlife.

[dubl_t]

Originally Posted by salmonfisher77

I made a deal with my daughter! If she doesnt complain about me killing things I wont hang them in the garage and show all her friends when they come over! Problem Solved!

Now THAT'S funny!
There are some pretty "good" pics on the 'net of starving wildlife (which hunting helps control), and suffering domestic animals, which helps the predator hunter cause. Unfortunately there's more and more people who dis-associate "killing" with eating in regards to where their meat comes from, and I think that's where most "antis" have a problem with hunting. I also feel it's leading to less gratefulness with regards to natural processes and more selfishness, which is leading this Nation into a population of consumerism, whichh eventually could lead to our downfall.
Crap, now you got me started.

[xBladex101]

BlackTail,
Tree Huggers make great stews.


P.S. I live out close to you. I am in Beaverton

[chukarchaser]

Yep.... what Limbhanger said.

We don't necessarily need more hunters, we just need more folks to be educated on the benefits of properly managed hunting... and also gain a better understanding of "why" many of us hunt. For example, it is amazing to me how many people I talk to who think the majority of hunters don't even eat what they kill. There are so many misconceptions out there. Sometimes a simple civil conversation can really enlighten people. It took me years to realize that getting defensive and argumentative with people who disagreed with my views on hunting was not only unproductive but it probably did more harm than good.

I have a diehard vegan buddy who jokingly gives me a hard time about hunting but recently admitted he respects what I do and how I do it. In fact, I was talking to him about a future caribou archery fly-in hunt I'd like to do when I have enough money and he says "I wouldn't mind doing that with you if you need someone to go with"! I was floored. "One small step for man...."

CC

[StickFish]

Serve them a meal where nothing was killed to make it - empty plate and a glass of water - now that is tasty

[Trick]

Originally Posted by StickFish

Serve them a meal where nothing was killed to make it - empty plate and a glass of water - now that is tasty

To bad that the single celled protzoa were filtered out and killed in the process of making that fine glass of water....no creature is safe!

[BlackTail18]

yeah it really sucks too. they said when i kill my deer i cant keep the meat in the house i'll change that

[scottishsetter]

I saw an un-fired Remington 700 Classic in 300 Weatherby for $499 today. PM me, then put a scope on it and take 'em along to 'try' it; or at least understand some target hunting.
That Wtby will set 'em straight. They'd never say it was "easy" to kill an animal again.

[Beamerfish]

The other day my wife (the heart-felt anti-hunter) told me the only meat she feels OK about eating is from things I bring home from the woods. She came to that conclusion after hearing about how they factory farm chickens these days. She recognized that wild game have a real life and a clean ending. Couldaknockedmeoverwithafeather.

For vegetarians that get on my case, I always ask them if they've ever ridden on a tractor tilling or harvesting a field. I guarantee you that vegetarians are responsible for an abrupt end to a whole lot more critters than I ever will be.

Everything is a tradeoff - some people understand, some people choose not to. I'm a live and let live kindof guy, except when it comes to my hunting. If you don't like it, don't do it and MYOB.

[scottishsetter]

Don't let her read how farm raised potatoes get to market!

[Lucky one]

Originally Posted by BlackTail18

yeah it really sucks too. they said when i kill my deer i cant keep the meat in the house i'll change that

Are you kidding me? Do you pay rent in that place? Cause if so I think I'd be storing what I want there. Let me guess, these people probably like a nice fat steak every now and then?

[BlackTail18]

Originally Posted by Lucky one

Are you kidding me? Do you pay rent in that place? Cause if so I think I'd be storing what I want there. Let me guess, these people probably like a nice fat steak every now and then?

yeah i pay rent here, and no. they are vegetarians. but not full they still eat fish lol. which is funny because a fish is a living thing that had a life and was killed, but they dont mind eating that =]

[Trick]

Originally Posted by BlackTail18

yeah i pay rent here, and no. they are vegetarians. but not full they still eat fish lol. which is funny because a fish is a living thing that had a life and was killed, but they dont mind eating that =]

Mmmm.........sea kittens.

[gottafish]

Originally Posted by Trick

Mmmm.........sea kittens.

LOL

[sidewinder]

Originally Posted by BlackTail18

i live with two of them. it really sucks. i need to hang out with some hunters soon before i turn to the dark side lol

You know you are different then they are, but I assume the two roommates are friends. If they are really friends they will back off...but I would say its time for you to go...lol. Things like this are common of vegetarians. Or so called. Most are hipocrites, and don't even know how to be a good vegi person. They think you can still eat fish, and chicken. Then you have the lacto orvo clan. Their just wannabe's too. I'd say many are bullies, but they need a crowd to act tough. Look at the rediculous crap they pull. I think most young vegi people think they are cool, and are just followers. Not all...but imo most. I was married to a vegetarian for 25 years. She was'nt always that way. I shoot vermin with her Dad, and she was raised on wild game. It was more of a health thing for my x. She took a stab at veganism, but thats purdy radical. Its hard to be a vegan, and mind your own business. I saw this first hand. Any weirdo's that came into my house learned they better keep their eyes on the ground, and their mouths shut if they could'nt talk w/o insulting someone when talking about their beliefs. With the exception of Gandi, and a elite few. Those people are nuts! I'm not opinionated r anything. It is ok to grind those two into the carpet. Its a rare thing for a carnivor to be able to run with that crowd.

[CombinationLicense]

Originally Posted by BlackTail18

yeah i pay rent here, and no. they are vegetarians. but not full they still eat fish lol. which is funny because a fish is a living thing that had a life and was killed, but they dont mind eating that =]

Your roomies claiming to be vegans and still eating fish makes it clear that they are hypocrites. I don't get along with people like that at all so tend not to include them in my circle of friends - or even acquaintances. If I was you I would move on from there asap.

That being said, there is merit to trying to educate them as to what hunting is all about, science based wildlife management and the beneficial role of hunters in the American wildlife conservation model. Try the nice way first but it's likely that they will not change their minds.

If that's the case, it's time to engage them in a little debate. They probably don't even realize that many of the products that they use in their everyday life contain by products derived from the very same animals that they refuse to eat. Do a little homework and you'll have a pile of ammunition to debate them with - Ask them if they use leather, soap, shampoo, paint, tires, ice cream, textiles or construction materials. If they answer in the affirmative then simply ask them to explain why it's ok to use one part of the animal but not the other. Are they condoning wasting the meat? OMG! That sounds criminal...

You can go on to discuss the fact that humans are omnivores and predators by nature due to our physiology - another fact they can't argue with. We have incisors in our mouth and a digestive system built to digest meat or anything else we can catch so maybe have them explain why other omnivores on this planet eat meat? They might not end up agreeing with you but they will know you are right every time they open their mouth to brush their teeth

I could go on and on about the hypocritical nature of the Anti's and usually do when confronted by one - After one or two debates, they ALWAYS resort to personal attack mode because they've got no mojo to back up their BS. That's when you really have them by the short hairs because you get to call their character into question. A personal attack? OMG! I thought we were having a friendly conversation about cultural differences... Don't you guys respect diversity? I'm truly offended that you would put me down for simply having a somewhat different lifestyle - would you do that if I was of a different faith or sexual persuasion? OMG! You're haters!

You get the idea - now go kick some Anti-butt

"CL"

[Abalone]

All this talk about anti hunting is making me hungry, I need to go kill something....


If God didn't want us eat animals he wouldn't have made them out of meat.

[rimrock]

You can always live somewhere else....

[nwpatfan]

wow I really like these chats....I don't feel so alone and feel like I'm the only one left who thinks all these things...where were all of you Nov 2?...just kidding...I've been learning to question if I really want to spend the energy on these people....and others... and if I really want to "charge this hill" ....Hang in there with your roommates ...as long as you choose to...someday they may come to appreciate the find taste of something juicy and well cooked as a fine New York sirloin...partly as a result of you giving them the room to think and feel as freely as they do... Just a thought

[nehalemguy]

Originally Posted by Beamerfish

The other day my wife (the heart-felt anti-hunter) told me the only meat she feels OK about eating is from things I bring home from the woods. She came to that conclusion after hearing about how they factory farm chickens these days. She recognized that wild game have a real life and a clean ending. Couldaknockedmeoverwithafeather.

For vegetarians that get on my case, I always ask them if they've ever ridden on a tractor tilling or harvesting a field. I guarantee you that vegetarians are responsible for an abrupt end to a whole lot more critters than I ever will be.

Everything is a tradeoff - some people understand, some people choose not to. I'm a live and let live kindof guy, except when it comes to my hunting. If you don't like it, don't do it and MYOB.

Beamerfish! Genius! But you are not alone!

Attorney and author Wesley J.Smith has written a series of artilcles that hit on this very subject and it is giving PETA and other such groups a real headache because they have yet to find an effective way to defend against his arguments

Read this:

Veganism Is Murder

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...mJmM2EwNWZiNzI=

He has written many other articles but the one above is a good summation of his argument.

" Contending that meat eating is somehow murder while veganism is morally pristine because it doesn’t result in intentional animal deaths is factually false and self-delusional. No matter your diet, animals surely died that you might live. "



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[nakoa]

Originally Posted by BlackTail18

yeah it really sucks too. they said when i kill my deer i cant keep the meat in the house i'll change that

jason just keep the meet at my house i wont eat to much. tell mattie and dan to just stop or you will shoot all the birds in the front yard for target practice. don't they both fish and crab?

[decoyboy]

I came home early from our honeymoon to go deer hunting and have never had a problem since

[DakotaTheKiller]

I used to live in a "hick town," Everyone had a farm, or hunted. So going to school showing pictures to my buddies of Deer, Elk, Bear, Etc.. They always had something encouraging to say, or had pictures to determine who had the better honey holes. (Of course, it was always me!)

I recently moved to Parkland, or Tacoma as others would view it.. Going to school here, is definately a difference. With the more, "gangster, skater" kids and the "preppy, city" girls, it is hard to find someone to converse with. When they ask what I did over the weekend, and I reply "Eh, went and called for coyotes, and then cut up some wood." they give me dirty looks. When I show pictures of the animals I, my family, friends, or fellow Ifisher's have harvested, I get a lot of "Anti-Hunter talk," going in one ear, and out the other.. however based off of what they have said, I know they are not nearly educated enough to talk trash about my "life". Don't turn to the darkside man! Move out if you have to!

[TonTo]

I've been giving alot of thought to this lately.It's not just the anti-hunter,it seems like there is an anti group for just about everything out there.Too many people trying to impose their will on anybody else that doesn't share their views.It seems it's a never ending battle just to retain a lifestyle,but while fending off the anti-hunter crowd you are still being attacked from other angles like the anti-gun crowd,anti-meat,anti-fur ,then you have the new sea kitten huggers.Apperantly I'm some sort of barbarian,and I shouldn't even be able to exist.I should be dependant on society for all my basic needs,without even the basic to feed myself.The vegan lifestyle is one that is totaly dependent on somebody else to feed you.I would have total respect for any vegan that was able to sustain himself/herself entirely from the land.Be able to survive for any given time on wild berries ,sticks,twigs nuts greens or whatever.If man was not ment to suplement his diet with meat than it should be able to be done.
I do not consider hunting/fishing a sport as some and get sick of the referance from the antis as well.Sure we may refere to the animal as game,but it is defenatly not a game it is a basic survival skill.It also comes in handy to keep in practice,no I do not depend on wild meat to survive,I do eat it as much as I get the oppertunity to,but it's good to know that in a pinch I could take wild meat and feed myself.It takes a very brave soul to starve to death over a belief,to not even be able to do the simple task of feeding yourself because of a mental block you have towards wild meat or any meat.If all I can find to feed myself is a semi fresh road killed possom I'll bet it's the best damn possom I've ever had.
In the end I'ld rather be a living barbarian,then a dead vegitarian.
OK thats fine if they have that strong of belief I could care less,Darwin wins again,but then to feel the need to enforce their belief on me,and the rest of the world through anymeans necesary has to be some sort of mental defect,how can anybody think they could outlaw a basic human survival skill and make us all dependent on the next cabage crop.

[EMO870]

I love the quote about start cooking because antihunters get real hungry. My wife is a vegi and before we got married, I made her promise to never try to convert me or give me a bunch of grief about hunting. She is still a vegi and doesn't care that I do something I love which is what everyone should do, support their loved ones. My 4 year old seems to not like the texture of meat (maybe from seeing Mom not eat meat). I fixed some elk strogenoff and he went nuts!!! He also loves crab and salmon so my big game hunting friend "Neverguess" thought I was an unbelievable parent when I taught my little guy to only like things I caught or shot I can't take credit because it just worked out that way but if you cook it right, they will always eat.

Also, I work at a pretty liberal organization where hunting isn't really PC. I don't care and when I get some grief, I just ask them what they had for dinner last night. They usually say chicken. I then take the opportunity to educate them on what goes into eating that chicken Game set match.....

Originally Posted by BlackTail18

i live with two of them. it really sucks. i need to hang out with some hunters soon before i turn to the dark side lol

[Hunt'nFish]

I gotta laugh right now........
Over the holiday during the snow I was picking my wife up from work..being a good husband and all.
Many of her co-workers were not driving, were to scared to drive, had battery issues, etc.
So I loaded them up in the truck to shuttle everyone home.
Most are young, city folk, w/ that certain look about them that just reaks anti-hunter.

When loading everyone up and their stuff; groceries, Christmas presents and all, I had to pull a stringer of ducks out of the tool box to make room for thier stuff. Let me tell you I got some weird looks. I'm still in camo from hunting, calls dangling from the mirror.

One of the young guys, a vegan and all round health nut that works directly w/ my wife, hollers from the backseat and asks if I have any of my deer jerky in the truck. (I'd given some to him last year.) I reach under the seat and pull out a ziplock bag and toss it back to him. He pulls out a couple peices and looks to the gal next to him, a friend w/ similar veiws. She looks at him in awe, he said, "What?..this is wild blacktailed deer jerkey. Free range & no hormones. Some of the heathiest stuff you'll ever sink your teeth into". And offers the bag to her. She pulls a small peice out, looks it over and passes the bag on. So the bag was passed around and the conversation took an unexpected twist, to one of hunting and the benefits of eating wild game. Who'd have thought. I chuckled inside as they questioned me about the ducks in the back, the calls hang'n from the mirror, and what I'd done today. I explained to them my DU support, what our conservation dollars are doing for game, working w/ the kids at the Waterfowl Festival, how much I enjoyed hunting, the time outdoors and how much better I felt about my family eating wild game butchered & packaged by my own hands.
Needless to say it wasn't the opprotunity I expected.
We all had a good ride, nawing on some fine blacktail jerky.

For the next few days, the trip was the same....."where's that bag of jerky?"

I'd forgotten, until you brought up this thread. Thanks for letting me re-live that all over again.


IMO, they are not all bad people....just ignorant and mis-informed.
Next time, choose your words carefully, because impressions matter.
Do some reading & fill your head w/ FACT and don't let emotion drive the discussion.
When they see that in fact, we are not the barbarians they understood us to be, they'll be more accepting of our lifestyle.
Keep in mind I don't expect them to rush right out & join me afield, but I do expect them to understand it. Just as I don't expect to change them, I can accept their choices for themselves....as long as they don't tell me how to live my life.

I guess that's what chaps my hide the most...others telling me how I should live my life.
Just because you don't have the stomach to kill your own food, don't tell me I shouldn't either.
Hunt'nFish

[chukarchaser]

Huntnfish... great story!! You just enlightened way more people than just the folks in the car with you as some of them will speak up (hopefully) the next time a friend of theirs makes a negative generalization about hunters.

I absolutely agree, most are not bad people, just mis-informed thanks to the media, etc. And your right, if you want to try to educate people, DON'T let your emotions drive the discussion.

Thanks for sharing.

CC

[StickFish]

Huntn'fish that reminds me of a manager I used to have - he hated hunting and would deny my leave and make it impossible to go hunting unless it was a weekend. One of those years I had to take leave without pay in order to go to the Steens. Anyhow happened during some of the years I worked for him I had a string of recovering bullets from my elk and deer. OK so I didn't get to go hunting during the week, but it was sure fun to leave a fresh gooey mushroomed bullet on his desk on Monday morning. Every year back them we had holiday parties, whatever game treat I brought to the pot luck was always the first thing gone. Also back then the Managers' hosted the parties at group members homes. When it was our turn, he wouldn't come to the party and didn't offer to cover the usualy beverage service. Glad I don't work for that nut job anymore.

[scottishsetter]

Good story H'n'F; don't give it all away. Been there.
I always quote that fact;; hunters have contributed Billions to land/game conservation over the years.
And cars kill more deer than hunters every year, and everyone knows what happens to that meat alongside the road.Wheeeeou!

[Joe C]

Huntn'fish, great story, and it does bring up an important point about vegetarians, or people whose diet/lifestyle just might not mesh with hunters. Some eat the way they do it for ethical reasons, some health reasons, environmental reasons, etc... There's a whole range.

When it comes to health and ethics, eating a shot wild animal is a lot healthier and less cruel, and more environmentally friendly, than a factory-produced animal.

It's a simple argument, and it's bound to enlighten some people who really haven't thought it through.

ya know when you think about it, a lot of the vegetarian propaganda PETA puts out revolves around animal captivity, slaughterhouse conditions, hormones and antibiotics, etc. None of that applies to wild game.

[in 'em]

Originally Posted by Hunt'nFish

they are not all bad people....just ignorant and mis-informed.
Hunt'nFish

Amen! Very well said post HnF.

If your motivation as a hunter is just, educating others about what we do is so crucial. Not defending your view or ramming it down anothers throat, but taking advantage of opportunities/teachable moments.

[in 'em]

Oh, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, educating yourself!!!

[Chesapeake]

Any human claiming to be a vegetarian or any other non-meat eating fad is completely unnatural and going against the very grain of thier being.

Humans are Omnivores, always have bean, always will be.

Omnivores (from Latin: omne all, everything; vorare to devour) are species that eat both plants and animals as their primary food source. They are opportunistic, general feeders not specifically adapted to eat and digest either meat or plant material exclusively.[1] Pigs are one well-known example of an omnivore.[2] Crows are another example of an omnivore that many people see every day.[3] Humans are also omnivores.[1][4]