Bobber and bait for steelies

[Crazy Fisherman]

I`ve heard alot about jigs and worms under a float and can`t wait to try them. My question is do any of you guys use bait under a bobber? I have used bait for years and had very good luck and was wondering how it would work under a bobber. The big reason is I want to get my daughter into bait fishing and thought if she could watch a bobber it would be alot easyer to teach her and she might get into more fish. Sure be nice if she could start outfishing her old dad. :grin: I bet she can now FISH ON!!!!!!
CF

[Chromaflage]

Yup - I've caught much winter chrome on sandshrimp under a clear bobber on coastal rivers.

[Quasimodo the fish killer]

I have fished a bobber and eggs for steelhead a few times and did well.

I tye it up like a bobber set up for chinook

a sliding bobber and a 24 inch leader with yarn tied to the line above the hook

I have caught a few that way but I tend to drift fish more I like the feeling of the fish taking my bait.


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[Dave Vedder]

It's deadly. Much more effective than drift fishing.

[Fish Hawg]

Don't forget to try a pink worm below the float; like a 3" lil thumper

[blacktail]

Works great and you don't get hung up and have to re-tie and/or re-bait nearly as much.

Fixed float above a barrel swivel. Then you can have a two or three foot chunk of leader tied to a snap swivel on one end and your hook/bait on the other end. Also, have another leader tied up with a snap swivel, but with a jig on the other end. This way you can switch back and forth between bait and jigs without having to re-tie.

I like a Jensen Egg or small Gooey Bob and a piece of yarn, then add your choice of eggs or sandshrimp.

Mike

[UmpquaSpecial]

I like to mix it up between standard drift fishing and bait (or jig) under a bobber, depending on the type of water and conditions I'm fishing in. If fishing roe or shrimp under a bobber for steelhead, I like to have a little weight down near the hook to keep the bait from riding up in the water column in faster water. I don't like using split shot as I believe it compromises the strength of your leader. Instead, I've been using heavy glass beads or better yet, a small chrome or brass steel bead (used for spinner making) immediately above the hook to help get the presentation below the float - sorta like a weighted corky. Good luck out there.
Chris

[fishnpray]

Whatever you do, DON'T try a pink n' white jig with one of the 3" seducers dangling off the hook. They sure wouldn't like that at all.

[tailchaser]

Hey umpqua, try using a small rubber egg imitation above your hook similar to running a corkie on a drift setup for your bobber. It sinks quickly and gives you an egg imitation at the same time. I'll use a small cluster of real eggs with this and it works REALLY WELL. If you guys want I'll take a pic and show you.

tc

[Fish Hawg]

TC, If you could post a picture, that would be great....Ross

[tailchaser]

No problem, I'll do it tonight when I get home.

tc

[Crazy Fisherman]

Thanks everybody for your help. I will give this a try. Sure seems like there would be alot more water you could fish this way. Plus I like the idea of not getting hung up all the time. Tight lines and good fishing.
Crazy Fisherman

[fishing is life]

Dave Vedder, tell STS that i would love to see an article on this technique. Your comment got me intrigued. Or maybe you might be able to share some of your wisdom with us. Glad to see you here.

What depth do you like to set your length too and how do you setup.

Originally posted by UmpquaSpecial:
Instead, I've been using heavy glass beads or better yet, a small chrome or brass steel bead (used for spinner making) immediately above the hook to help get the presentation below the float - sorta like a weighted corky. Good luck out there.
Chris

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Sounds like an excellent plan there! I'm going to give it a try next time out.

[Dragfreedrift]

Would agree w/ Dave. Might want to try tying up some spawnsacs made from single eggs...real easy to use! Great thing about dangling bait is that you will find fish hanging in eddies where nobody else can fish!

I -fishers: Be careful adding weight too close to the hook! Game wardens have been known to issue tickets for having ANY weight too close to a baited hook. Take a look at the regs, as I dont really know what Oregon's law really is on how far from the hook a weight must be.


HC

[ 01-08-2004, 01:39 PM: Message edited by: half canuck ]

[Rustyoar]

STS article would be a great idea!!!!Great topic woundered many times myself how well this would work and if u could sidedrift like this?

[SciGuy]

I have found that when using bait under a float that it is much more effective to add a split shot about 8 inches up from the hook rather than adding a split shot to the bait loop or using a brass bead like a corkie. I've fished each of these techniques side-by-side and the first method out fished the others at least 5 to 1. I think adding weight to the hook kills the natural drift of neutral bouancy lures, such as eggs. Its seems that a natural drift is best. I am now experimenting with what is essentially a weightless jig. I take a jig hook and place an artificail eggs where the lead head would be and then tie on marabou or rabbit hair.

[Ty]

Float and biat!!! Float and Bait!!! Was using a Thill slider and sandshrimp, one large splitshop 8" up from leader. ANY QUESTIONS???

[ 01-08-2004, 03:33 PM: Message edited by: Ty ]

[Akuracy503]

Agree, I assume for this very reason bobber bait technique is used by the majority during fall nook tidewater/river fishing? probably due to....
easier depth control, covering more depth range.

I would definitely use a fixed float for this method on steelhead!!!

[Quasimodo the fish killer]

I just use pencil led hanging ftom a tag end at my swivel and a 2 ft leader it seems to get down pretty fast with a clump of eggs I usually run 4 ft from my hook to my bobber stop and adjust a little up and down from there..

on a side note in TY's picture it apears that the adipose fin isnt completely removed. I can see that it looks flat across the top so it is a hatchery fish but I thought the rules were that it had to be completely missing to be legal to keep? am I seeing the pic wrong? am I misunderstanding the rules on fin clips?

[Redneck]

its my understanding that any weights (split shots, slinky's, etc.) have to be at least 18 inches away from the lure/bait/jig. i believe thats what it says in the ODFW regs. i think anything less than 18 inches is "considered" a snagging rig even if your using a bobber setup. i think its pretty hard to snag a fish using a bobber setup, the fish either takes the bait or not.
redneck

[Ty]

Quadi and Redneck: funny to hear such critisism in success. Here we go, weight doesn't ahve to be farther than 18" from the hook unless it is larger than 5/8". A partially clipped adipose is as good as a full adipose clip.

Sometimes I like to use a sliderr vrs a fixed because it is easerier to adjust adn soemtimes I like to bounce on the bottom.

[Ty]

Here is a better pic of the asipose and the siding bobber set up.

[tailchaser]

Here's the pic I promised....From top to bottom, bobber stop (sliding), bead, thill bobber, barrel swivel, two small splits, and a small rubber egg imitation to sink the bait with some yarn. Works wonderfully.


tc

[Fish Hawg]

Thanks for the picture, Tailchaser

[Akuracy503]

Thanks for the rigging tip and picture...I do have a question about the split shots, does it affect the line strength rating - stretch, because of the pinch it puts on the line...

I know its probably minimal.. if any, but im always trying to learn the possibilities

[etacada]

Amato press publishes a good book on this subject. I think it is still in print.


good luck,
cb :tongue:

[Quasimodo the fish killer]

ok first of all ty I was not critasizing you I was trying to clear up a question I was unsure of
wether you are a success or not had nothign to do with my reasoning for the question.

I always understood the law to be it has to be gone period so if there is enough to flop then it wasnt completely gone. in your pick it looks like the floppy part is still there. I have turned back many fish like that even though I knew it was a hatchery fish because I was unsure of the rule and I wanted to pay it safe.

has anyone been checked by osp or fish and wild life with a clip partially intact? that could give me a straight answer with out thinking I am picking on them?

[justasillyolgirl]

Quazi, you're misunderstanding the rules. I've been checked and Ty is correct, on both issues, weight vs 5/8 and fin clip. I spoke with an ODFW guy about it and he said if the adipose spines are anything other than straight, then it's considered fin clipped. :smile:

[ 01-09-2004, 11:53 PM: Message edited by: justasillyolgirl ]

[Quasimodo the fish killer]

ok thanks Justa I been putting anything back that has enough there that I could move it just so I could be safe. I dont know why but I thought I had seen a pic in the fish regs that showed just a bump as being the legal clip. oh well I am old and the alzhiemers is kickin in I guess :grin:

[Ty]

Quasi, I know u wern't pickin on me, I was just tryin to explain to u guys these things.

Also the Adipoose is the only non-ray fin on any salmonid that is a key feature for the entire family. Even if properly clipped it tends to regernerate, at least partially.

The partially clipped regulation is new, and the 5/8" of a hook thing has been around for as long as I can remember but it is liek one of those exception type rules in the small ink.

[Quasimodo the fish killer]

no biggy ty I havent looked at the new regs yet I just thought some time in the past I had seen a pic saying they must be completely removed, and seems like here on the upper willie that I heard some people got hasseled about it by osp.

thats why I aked about it. I been turning them loose even though I knew they were hatchery fish.

[nitroduk]

nice fish ty.