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Old 12-27-2003, 09:13 PM   #1
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Hey all,

Mark told me about your salt area here and I thought I would check it out. Very cool stuff. I just wanted to say hello. I am very into tuna fishing and run out of the bar area (Cali) and am always looking to talk tuna.
Very nice forums you have here. Thanks for letting me particpate.

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Old 12-27-2003, 09:53 PM   #2
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Hi Dan, I guess it's appropriate that I extend the first "welcome." Was that a typo, or a Freudian slip when you wrote "bar area" instead of "bay area"? We fish out of a bar area quite often, it's called the Rogue Brewery up here in Newport South Beach harbor.

It is customary for the newbies here to tell a story...usually a fish / boat / ocean story, the more embarrasment or unbelievable the better. I'm sure you won't have any trouble thinking one up!

Again, welcome to the Salty Dogs; we look forward to seeing your fish reports here.

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p.s. Just so you guys know, Dan has no sense of humor. This is his boat:



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Old 12-27-2003, 10:12 PM   #3
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HA HA there she is!

What kind of story do you want?
Private boat, Long Range??

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Old 12-27-2003, 11:03 PM   #4
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Welcome aboard...

Cant't wait to hear a few long range storys and PB'ers.
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Old 12-28-2003, 01:02 AM   #5
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Old 12-28-2003, 07:41 AM   #6
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Welcome Ghetto Booty yea those stories help us dream on the day when were dry docked.

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Old 12-28-2003, 08:27 AM   #7
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I remember the link to those pics. Very nice looking boat. Welcome.

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Old 12-28-2003, 12:27 PM   #8
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Dan, tell any story you like. With days of dreary grey and rain up here, I could use something very entertaining right now. Like a story that combines a newbie getting seasick, lots of fish, tangles, a clogged up head, and laughter.
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Old 12-28-2003, 12:36 PM   #9
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Welcome Ghetto Booty,nice looking boat tell us more.
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Old 12-28-2003, 12:39 PM   #10
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OK this is from a trip this year. My fishing club decided to get a bunch of boats together and do a 3 day trip. We originally planned to go out to the gumdrop or guide and fish that Friday and float at night for swords. But the weather was so dang nasty most did not go. If I remember it was 12 foot every 10 secs. Well a few of us decided to go anyways. The boats that took on this task were Fishin Luhrs (38 Luhrs) Don't Ask (34 Rivera) and Sea Draggin (44 Noosecat). I was on the Don't Ask. So the Don't Ask is berthed in the bay so we headed to the bait receiver and picked up a couple scoops and headed out the golden gate to meet up with our friends. I personally do not mind bad weather at all. I love combat fishing. So after a few hours we get to the outside and the Fishin Luhrs is about 5 miles south of us and they are getting them, And GETTING THEM GOOD. So we start to troll and BAM everything goes bendo and while we are getting the troll stuff in the owner of Don't Ask Paul tosses out a anchovey on a bait outfit and gets picked up. Well we sat in that same spot for three hours. 100% Full Speed Wide OPEN tuna bite. After three hours we had put 46 fish in the box and hooked at least 12 large blue sharks with several brought to the boat for release. So we all made a decision to head to Santa Cruz and get a mooring at capitola (Always Flat). So we all met up there and the Fishin Luhrs was already moored up so we just tied to the side of them and Sea Draggin tied up to there other side. Everyone made there way over to Don't Ask for some partying and story telling. After a great night of sleep we made the decision to head back out for more tuna. Fishin Luhrs went up the coast to fish Lings at Ana Neuvo island and Sea Draggin ran for tuna again also. That next day we got another 30 fish and they would not let me put one more fish on the boat. I tried belive me. It was a pretty awesome trip. I plan on doing at least 2-3 3 day trips like that this coming summer.

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Old 12-28-2003, 03:32 PM   #11
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Old 12-28-2003, 03:39 PM   #12
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Dan,
That was a great story - I recognize the names of all of those boats from Bay Area Tuna Club and Coastside. Nice to have another Californian on board - this is a really great group of folks. Welcome on to Salty Dogs. Bob
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Old 12-28-2003, 04:33 PM   #13
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Great story - thanks!!!!

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Old 12-28-2003, 04:42 PM   #14
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How is your lingcod fishery up there. Do you get allot of Pacific Halibut also? Ever see any California flattys?

I def. wana hitch a ride with some of you tuna guys this summer. Maybe we could do some trades.

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Old 12-28-2003, 11:39 PM   #15
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Booty,,,,,,nice boat you have..Is that twin screw diesels?? How big and does it have a live bait tank or is that a stupid question? I'll go for a long range story.........
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Old 12-28-2003, 11:41 PM   #16
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Welcome aboard G B Thats a very nice boat you have.
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Old 12-29-2003, 03:11 AM   #17
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Welcome aboard GB.

Loved your story and hope to hear more from you during our tuna season. I operate a 55 foot Hoquiam charter out of Newport, Oregon and Tuna fishing is my favorite all time fishery. We have a great ling cod fishery too. If we don't get shut down again by the feds because everyone else has caught their quota we will be fine. We have a great halibut fishery too. I will swap you trips on my boat during tuna season if you are so inclined. Hope to hear more from your club.

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Old 12-29-2003, 04:53 AM   #18
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The bottom fishing (lings included) is a light tackle show up here and very productive, most of the time. Halibut is mostly the Pacific and not the california variety. That fishery is quite restricted, as too days and has a closely monitored quota, is very weather dependent (especially for us small boats) but generally very productive. I would jump at Mike's (Albacore Tuna Captain) offer to swap. He is a very knowledgeable skipper and a great person to fish with too! Hope to see you out here this summer! Welcome aboard!!!
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Old 12-29-2003, 08:50 AM   #19
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Welcome aboard, Dan. Thanks for the story.

I remember seeing pictures of the rebuild on your boat. Looks great!

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Old 01-02-2004, 08:39 AM   #20
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Ahhh a Coastside and Salty Dog alliance could be a good thing for the entire coast! Lots of political clout potential.

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Old 01-02-2004, 02:31 PM   #21
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Joined the Coastside group today...seem like great folks. Searching archieves is tougher than here but the site is not bad to navigate. I think an alliance of fishing groups to work toward positive change in regulations and information sharing (Coastside also focuses on sharing!) would be wonderful. It would be nice to have multiple groups to help with different areas and issues. How would we do this? A central fishing site organization? Seems complex but might be well worth the effort. Maybe Mark Mc and Ghetto Booty could be the contact people, initially, as they both have contact in both areas. The more we share the the better we use the power of numbers, the "better" the results that we can achieve.
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Right on WP! There is power in numbers and as everyone has seen, the commericial interests always gets more of their way because they are active in all issues. But the recreational fisherman has taken the back seat long enough and the more we communicate with ourselves, the better we will be able to get our points across.

I joined the Coastwide group too and will be active with them if I can get someone down there to trade trips. :smile:
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Old 01-02-2004, 10:26 PM   #23
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Regarding the Coastside Fishing Club -

One way we could really connect with their efforts is through their "political" arm. It was their member Darrel Ticehurst who got appointed to the PFMC. They have Randy Fry, who is their region's RFA rep. They have a political coordinator, Dan Wolford (I believe his name is). And then of course Bob Franko who is sort of their spiritual leader. We did help out with some letters of support for Darrel to get appointed. They have a way of "picking the battles", that is to say, focusing on a particular issue and getting the membership behind them. That support includes letters, and driving to public meetings in force. They also raise their own funding for these lobbying efforts. They have very good lawyers working for them.

Although they do work on issues that are specific to California, they also work on issues that are regional (west coast). It is on these regional issues that we could really add to the effort, and get a lot in return.

Face it, although the Salty Dogs have put in great efforts such as showing up at ODFW meetings, and writing letters, we have a ways to go if we want to have a seat at the bargaining tables, or if we expected that someday our group's name had recognizable clout when mentioned in the fishery-political arena. Coastside has indeed done all this and more, and we should consider a way to create a synergy between us. BTW I hate to use that word synergy because it gets overused, but this is the right context to use it in.

If we want to pursue this, I think we should ask John Holloway (Black Majic) and Janice Green what they think. They have both worked with the RFA folks who represent N. California, so there is a natural connection there already.

In closing, the following memo was just sent out today to Coastside members, and also posted on their website. This is an example of their ongoing efforts:
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A personal request from Bob Franko and Randy Fry:

The New Year brings us a new rockfishing season and a new Optimum Yield (OY). This last September at the PFMC meeting in Seattle, I along with a group of other northern and central California sportfishing reps sat down with members of the Groundfish Management Team (GMT) to go over potential 2004 baglimits and season with a computer model.

What soon became apparent was the fact that it would not be the “overfished” canary, yellow eye, or bocaccio species that would be constricting our season, but rather the “swallow water” nearshore specie. This complex is made up of five different fish; china cod, black and yellow, gopher, kelp and grass rockfish. These are the fish that we are only allowed a combined total of 2 in our 10 rockfish baglimit. Besides the sublimit, what these five rockfish have in common is the high price they bring when delivered alive to an Asian market. Grass and gopher sell for over $10.00 lb. Do the math. The commercial livefishermen, with their stick and trap gear, have only been around for the past 5 or 6 years, but the fact is they are having detrimental effect on what has historically been a nearshore sport fishery. Remember in 1999 we had 12 months and 15 rockfish. Just wait ‘till the new cabezon stock assessment comes out latter this year---don’t look good.

If you remember, this complex was created during the July of 2002 emergency shelf closure outside of 20 fathoms by former DFG’s PFMC rep L.B. Boydstun in order to keep both sport and commercials fishing in within the 20 fathom nearshore.
L.B’s back was against the wall and he did the best anybody could have done in his situation, however, by changing the allocation ratio of these fish from 80% sport/20% commercial to 63% sport/37% commercial we(sportys) got the short end of the stick. To put this another way, 174 commercial nearshore fishermen are allocated 37% of these fish and over 1 million saltwater anglers can fight over the remaining 63%, and if we exceed the OY, another emergency closure.

The good news is the PFMC’s GMT has come out in favor of doing away with the shallow nearshore complex starting in 2005; it’s no longer needed due to the new bocaccio stock assessment showing they are in much better shape and the relaxing of the shelf closure (Rockfish Conservation Area (RCA) boundaries. I brought it up in discussion at the GMT in Seattle to do away with it for 2004, but to no avail.

The bad news is this year we will be up against that 63% sport allocation of an OY that was already cut by a “precautionary” 50% of the combined sport and commercial historical landings of the past years.

If your eyes haven’t glazed over by now and you are still reading this, here’s what we need to do to forestall another emergency in-season closure:

1) Try to avoid the “shallow water” nearshore fish this year, the China, black & yellow, gopher, kelp and grass rockfish. If you are in an area where they are prevalent (mostly under 10 fathoms), it would behoove us all to move elsewhere. I am sure most of you prefer eating reds, blues, blacks, browns, coppers and lingcod anyway.
2) Carry a laminated fish identification card in your boat if you have trouble identifying these fish.
3) If fish mortality can be avoided, try catch and release of shallow nearshore specie.
4) Get the word out to your friends to try to avoid the shallow nearshore specie.

The Coastside/RFA web based logbook (www.coastsidefishingclub.com) will be up and running at the end of the month, and you will be reading more about it in the coming weeks. We will be closely monitoring the new California Recreational Fishing Survey (CRFS) data as it starts coming in. One more thing; if you are asked to take part in a dockside survey by DFG or PSMFC fish counters, please do so with a courteous smile and demeanor—and hopefully with few or no china, black & yellow, grass, gopher or kelp in your bag. Please remember, this is for our own good.

Sincerely,

Bob Franko,
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Randy Fry,
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Old 01-05-2004, 05:22 PM   #24
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