Too late for damage control tags?

[OR_Bo_Huntr]

My buddies place is getting taken over by the deer, they are eating more hay from his stacks than he has to offer....he wants to get DC tags....is it too late?
Thanks

[Tillamook Born]

He should contact the ODFW wildlife biologist in that area and talk to them. I have heard of elk damage tags that have gone through to the end of March.

[death roe]

Originally Posted by OR_Bo_Huntr

My buddies place is getting taken over by the deer, they are eating more hay from his stacks than he has to offer....he wants to get DC tags....is it too late?
Thanks

i got a willi tag so does my girl i know she would shoot a doe , is it in the willamette unit

[ommedia]

Contact ODFW, they will come out and do an assessment as to "damage". Loss to stacked crops is usually not qualifiable..fyi

If the damage assessment passes certain standards, they will do one of a few things. 1. Offer you a hazing permit, 2. Set up documents that the landowner has to agree upon for a damage control (emergency hunt), 3. off you kill permits.

Now of which are likely very quick. With that, again, stacked hay "could" be moved or protected (that is what my uncle in Prineville area was told a few years back.

Good luck, but start at ODFW.

Originally Posted by OR_Bo_Huntr

My buddies place is getting taken over by the deer, they are eating more hay from his stacks than he has to offer....he wants to get DC tags....is it too late?
Thanks

[OR_Bo_Huntr]

Ommedia I know he wont let anyone else hunt it, what is the hazing permit and the 3rd option?

[No Fences]

Originally Posted by OR_Bo_Huntr

Ommedia I know he wont let anyone else hunt it, what is the hazing permit and the 3rd option?

Sounds like he needs to do a better job in protecting his crops.

[OR_Bo_Huntr]

He will, just not damage control

[WSU]

Truthfully, I have a problem with people like him. If he wants to exclude the public from his land that is his right. But, if he chooses to do so, why should we pay for the problems a public resource (aka deer) causes. It's our money paying for dealing with the problem, it's our lost opportunity lost. All he has to do is let one of the many people with a valid tag harvest one of his "problems." His problem would be greatly appreciated by a hunter. I'm not saying private land owners should have to let people hunt their land, far from it. But, if he wants to exclude everyone else from his property in a situation like this, he has made it his own problem.

[OR_Bo_Huntr]

Originally Posted by WSU

Truthfully, I have a problem with people like him. If he wants to exclude the public from his land that is his right. But, if he chooses to do so, why should we pay for the problems a public resource (aka deer) causes. It's our money paying for dealing with the problem, it's our lost opportunity lost. All he has to do is let one of the many people with a valid tag harvest one of his "problems." His problem would be greatly appreciated by a hunter. I'm not saying private land owners should have to let people hunt their land, far from it. But, if he wants to exclude everyone else from his property in a situation like this, he has made it his own problem.

He doesnt have enough bucks to go around thanks to the ones that have been whacked by poachers this year, including a 36" 4x4

...and thanks for helping with tag info

[WSU]

How about all the willi tag holders that would be pumped to shoot a doe? How about somebody's kid that would be pumped to shoot a doe? I would bet money there are people who would jump at the chance to shoot a doe, not one of his bucks.

[Arrowslinger]

The DC tags will not solve your buddies problem......only minimize it, temporarily. If he wants to keep critters out of his hay, build a fence around it and a high one. Problem solved.

[elkthumper]

what about those deer fences, and I've seen some motion controlled sprinklers to. a lot cheaper than building a huge fence and dealing with the state.

[hrbassin]

In HR valley we have a huge problem keeping elk and deer out of our orchards, so we builds fences. If you don't have a fence, your crops get damaged. That's just the way it is. Fences don't hurt local wildlife populations either. Have the hay bailed and put it in a barn, or just buy some large tarps and cover it up. I just don't like the idea of "damage control" tags. They don't control the damage, they just control which animal is doing it. Unless you can get enough ag tags to completely eradicate the deer from your area, you're not really doing much good for yourself, and you're certainly not helping the wildlife.

Sorry, needed to vent.


Mark

[OR_Bo_Huntr]

Anyway, he's looking for some meat, and looking to get rid of a couple fat, alfalfa filled does......its no where near the WV

[Don Becker]

Originally Posted by OR_Bo_Huntr

He doesnt have enough bucks to go around thanks to the ones that have been whacked by poachers this year, including a 36" 4x4 . . . (emphasis added)

Originally Posted by WSU

How about all the willi tag holders that would be pumped to shoot a doe? . . . (emphasis added)

'Seems likely, to me, he's talking about mulie-country. Don

[hrbassin]

Last time I heard, which is admittedly a while ago, all animals harvested for agricultural purposes had to be donated to an odfw appointed butcher and then sent to a local foodbank. The rack was to be collected by odfw.

[SandyRiverFisher]

Originally Posted by OR_Bo_Huntr

He doesnt have enough bucks to go around thanks to the ones that have been whacked by poachers this year, including a 36" 4x4

...and thanks for helping with tag info

I hear that. Too many big bucks killed for their horns this year, what a waste. I dont know where your buddies place is but there were about 20 guys in both the Paulina and Metolius last month trying to fill archery doe tags. I bet it would have been easy a few weeks ago to get the contact info of a few of those guys to help you out.

I can understand the frustration of some sportsmen though, I know of nurserymen in the Willamette unit who will under no circumstances allow the public to hunt their farms, but still complain about deer and elk damage. They want the animals to themselves and the damage control permits to go with them. Too bad the elk wont move over one farm and damage my uncles nusery.

[Adjhunt]

Joe, as for your question about DC tags... I have no clue


But looks like more then a lot of people want to kill a deer for him. what nice people. Put me on the list

[OR_Bo_Huntr]

Originally Posted by Adjhunt

Joe, as for your question about DC tags... I have no clue


But looks like more then a lot of people want to kill a deer for him. what nice people. Put me on the list

Yeah no joke, I probably would have asked if thats what he was interested in lol

[WSU]

Originally Posted by OR_Bo_Huntr

Anyway, he's looking for some meat, and looking to get rid of a couple fat, alfalfa filled does......its no where near the WV

It appears there are a few people on the same page as me. If your buddy wants meat, I suggest he buys a cow. Wildlife aren't his because he owns hay and they eat it. I understand that it may not be a willi tag, as Don pointed out (although I did not realize that when I posted), but the point is the same. There likely are bow hunters who would harvest said deer. Also, there are likely bow hunters or other hunters who would love to hunt his property and solve his problem.

[OR_Bo_Huntr]

I bet you would love to hunt his property, but you can get in line behind myself, and his family
Thats wasnt the question,

I probably should have asked, does anybody want to hunt my buddies ranch and I would have
got the answers I needed

[fishin' is livin']

Originally Posted by WSU

It appears there are a few people on the same page as me. If your buddy wants meat, I suggest he buys a cow. Wildlife aren't his because he owns hay and they eat it. I understand that it may not be a willi tag, as Don pointed out (although I did not realize that when I posted), but the point is the same. There likely are bow hunters who would harvest said deer. Also, there are likely bow hunters or other hunters who would love to hunt his property and solve his problem.

[OR_Bo_Huntr]

Originally Posted by WSU

It appears there are a few people on the same page as me. If your buddy wants meat, I suggest he buys a cow. Wildlife aren't his because he owns hay and they eat it. I understand that it may not be a willi tag, as Don pointed out (although I did not realize that when I posted), but the point is the same. There likely are bow hunters who would harvest said deer. Also, there are likely bow hunters or other hunters who would love to hunt his property and solve his problem.

[No Fences]

Joe, I understand your friends wants and frustrations. However, I also understand the other side of the fence. Wish him luck in dealing with his issues,and if he wants meat in the freezer, maybe he should look into LOP tags( for his own use) next year if he has enough property?

[OR_Bo_Huntr]

Originally Posted by Rob Kaiser

Joe, I understand your friends wants and frustrations. However, I also understand the other side of the fence. Wish him luck in dealing with his issues,and if he wants meat in the freezer, maybe he should look into LOP tags( for his own use) next year if he has enough property?

Thank you Rob for respectfully presenting your opinion....he has LOP tags, and took a 3x4 this year.

[tracker]

I feel nothing for all you whinning hunters. It is his land. If you want permission then work for it. It can be had. But it is his land to do with what he wants. Not yours.

There was a ranch in southern California, 10000 acres worth that I worked on for 5 years to get permission. First thing I did was stop and help a guy stringing wire on a fence along the road. Turns out he was the owner. Didnt ask about hunting there, just helped and talked. Saw him again a few months later on a tactor going down the road and coming up to a gate I helped him with the time before. I hurried ahead and openned the gate and closed it after he drove through. I Did not even say hi, I just drove off. Maybe a year later saw him driving some cattle along the side of the road on his side of the fence. Stopped and talked to him as we walked along about nothing in particular. Just saying hello and so forth. Dropped a christmas card off the next couple of years. Then it happened. Happened to run into him at the local corner store. Got to talking. I mention I was heading to Wyoming on a hunting trip. He said when you get back you better come on over and shoot a deer on my place. Its what I had been trying for but had never asked the question. The thing was he was known for not liking hunters at all and not allowing hunting on his place. But I became a friend and someone he could not hate. I only got to hunt there that one year, because I moved up here that winter. He died the following spring. I got a card from one of his sons telling me about his passing. He had found my christmas cards in some of his fathers stuff. Thats how he was able to contact me. He asked how I knew his father and I told him the whole story. He told me as far as he knew, his father had never let anyone hunt there. So instead of whinning and sniveling about your lack of oportunity, get out there and work for it.

David Putnam

[Lucky one]

My understanding of the Damage Control hunts was that land owners would let people on the DC list come on their land on short notice to harvest problem animals. NOT to fill the landowners freezer. Thats what his LOP tag is for.

Tracker, its nice you had the chance to build a relationship over multiple years to gain access to someones land. Tons of people do this very thing. When someone "whines" about access it gets a little old but not everyone can spend years around ranches hoping for a chance to help out a landowner.

[elkthumper]

Originally Posted by tracker

I feel nothing for all you whinning hunters. It is his land. If you want permission then work for it. It can be had. But it is his land to do with what he wants. Not yours.

There was a ranch in southern California, 10000 acres worth that I worked on for 5 years to get permission. First thing I did was stop and help a guy stringing wire on a fence along the road. Turns out he was the owner. Didnt ask about hunting there, just helped and talked. Saw him again a few months later on a tactor going down the road and coming up to a gate I helped him with the time before. I hurried ahead and openned the gate and closed it after he drove through. I Did not even say hi, I just drove off. Maybe a year later saw him driving some cattle along the side of the road on his side of the fence. Stopped and talked to him as we walked along about nothing in particular. Just saying hello and so forth. Dropped a christmas card off the next couple of years. Then it happened. Happened to run into him at the local corner store. Got to talking. I mention I was heading to Wyoming on a hunting trip. He said when you get back you better come on over and shoot a deer on my place. Its what I had been trying for but had never asked the question. The thing was he was known for not liking hunters at all and not allowing hunting on his place. But I became a friend and someone he could not hate. I only got to hunt there that one year, because I moved up here that winter. He died the following spring. I got a card from one of his sons telling me about his passing. He had found my christmas cards in some of his fathers stuff. Thats how he was able to contact me. He asked how I knew his father and I told him the whole story. He told me as far as he knew, his father had never let anyone hunt there. So instead of whinning and sniveling about your lack of oportunity, get out there and work for it.

David Putnam

[OR_Bo_Huntr]

Originally Posted by Lucky one

My understanding of the Damage Control hunts was that land owners would let people on the DC list come on their land on short notice to harvest problem animals. NOT to fill the landowners freezer. Thats what his LOP tag is for.

Tracker, its nice you had the chance to build a relationship over multiple years to gain access to someones land. Tons of people do this very thing. When someone "whines" about access it gets a little old but not everyone can spend years around ranches hoping for a chance to help out a landowner.

Then you cant expect to get permission,

THANKS TRACKER

[No Fences]

So I did a little digging and all I could find in the regs were Emergency Hunts. Nothing about damage control in there. I did find some info on Damage Control, but most of that pointed to bear, cougar, coons, beaver and a bunch of other small game. Nothing about derr/elk.

Maybe the best thing would be to contact the local Bio( I think someone mentioned that) and see what they can do to help.

Glad he got a nice buck with his LOP tags. Hope they catch or have caught the person(s) that poached OUR deer off of his property.

[WSU]

It appears that you realize that the game animals aren't his to kill, but at the same time imply that he can't harvest some extra does because someone is killing the bucks off his place. Here is how I see it: either he wants to keep his deer (including his bucks) or he wants to keep his hay. Let people harvest some does and stop his problem or stop whining.

I am not talking about getting permission. I personnally have plenty of private land permission. I would love to have more places to hunt, but that has absolutely nothing to do with my point. Tracker's story is touching, and his experience is how people should approach getting permission if that is their goal. That has nothing to do with the issue we are talking about.

[No Fences]

Originally Posted by WSU

It appears that you realize that the game animals aren't his to kill, but at the same time imply that he can't harvest some extra does because someone is killing the bucks off his place. Here is how I see it: either he wants to keep his deer (including his bucks) or he wants to keep his hay. Let people harvest some does and stop his problem or stop whining.

I am not talking about getting permission. I personnally have plenty of private land permission. I would love to have more places to hunt, but that has absolutely nothing to do with my point. Tracker's story is touching, and his experience is how people should approach getting permission if that is their goal. That has nothing to do with the issue we are talking about.

You may have a point, however, I don't believe that there are too many doe hunts in the unit where this property lies. Joe will be able to confirm that. Also, he doesn't have to let any body from the general public hunt it if he doesn't want to. Sour attitudes towards private property owners who don't allow the GP to hunt won't help any of us gain more access.

I think land owners need to be more careful with their crops and not try to use them as an attractant to gain more tags. Just an opinion and not saying that this is the case here, but it's happened before.

[WSU]

Originally Posted by Rob Kaiser

You may have a point, however, I don't believe that there are too many doe hunts in the unit where this property lies. Joe will be able to confirm that. Also, he doesn't have to let any body from the general public hunt it if he doesn't want to. Sour attitudes towards private property owners who don't allow the GP to hunt won't help any of us gain more access.

I think land owners need to be more careful with their crops and not try to use them as an attractant to gain more tags. Just an opinion and not saying that this is the case here, but it's happened before.

You and I don't disagree on anything. It may be that there are plenty of doe hunts in the unit, and it certainly is true that the landowner need not let anyone hunt on his land that he doesn't want. I am a huge advocate of private landowner rights, including the right to exclude anyone and everyone they please. However, this right doesn't give them the right to then complain about how they exercise that right and the cost that comes with it.

Also, I don't have a sour attitude. Put simply, my position is that landowners should not limit hunting on their land and then complain there are too many animals. If you want less animals, allow hunting. It seems simple to me. Our entire system of game management is based on the controlled harvest of game animals, including females (does and cows). If this particular individual prefers to keep the population on his property high and un-pressured, he can deal with his choice.

[No Fences]

Originally Posted by WSU

You and I don't disagree on anything. It may be that there are plenty of doe hunts in the unit, and it certainly is true that the landowner need not let anyone hunt on his land that he doesn't want. I am a huge advocate of private landowner rights, including the right to exclude anyone and everyone they please. However, this right doesn't give them the right to then complain about how they exercise that right and the cost that comes with it.

Also, I don't have a sour attitude. Put simply, my position is that landowners should not limit hunting on their land and then complain there are too many animals. If you want less animals, allow hunting. It seems simple to me. Our entire system of game management is based on the controlled harvest of game animals, including females (does and cows). If this particular individual prefers to keep the population on his property high and un-pressured, he can deal with his choice.

Agreed and I wasn't pointing the sour finger to you. The easy fix that I see for this landowner is to store or cover his hay. IMO, right now, he's just attracting deer with uncovered hay. And to whine about it and look for more tags is greedy IMO. I don't know the guy, so I'm not gonna try and bash him much, just stating what I'm getting out of Joe's descriptions of the situation.

I don't think that ANY type of damage control hunt is justified in this type of situation until the land owner has exhausted all efforts on their parts. I certainly don't want more of my tax and license fees being used unneccessarily.

[baltz526]

why would he prefer to kill impregnated doe's over building fence. killing one doe kills generations of deer. building fence forces the deer back into the surrounding hills to feed on public land in the deers natural habitat. these deer are not the problem, the land owner is. by his lack of proper private land management he is attempting to get permission to kill our deer. unacceptable when deer numbers are so low in their natural habitat of the surrounding public lands

[OR_Bo_Huntr]

Boy theres some quality guys on here


Rob, appreciate the constructive input

[Lucky one]

Originally Posted by OR_Bo_Huntr

Then you cant expect to get permission,

THANKS TRACKER

I don't expect to gain permission. Especially when I don't get to spend my leisure time near any of the units I want to hunt, except about once a year. Just was pointing out that most people won't get the chance to hunt private property because they don't have the chance to build a relationship with the landowner.

[jacobp]

Wow, this one got a little heated.

Seems like a reasonable post went sideways. Herds of Elk and herds of Deer on the east side can cause a lot of damage to crops, no matter what type of fence or tarp you have over it.

I look at it as a positive that at least the guy is looking for a legal way to solve a problem that he has, rather than sitting in his truck with a spotlight and .243.

By the way, anyone ever hear of "Don't kill the messenger" ?

[WSU]

Originally Posted by jacobp

Wow, this one got a little heated.

Seems like a reasonable post went sideways. Herds of Elk and herds of Deer on the east side can cause a lot of damage to crops, no matter what type of fence or tarp you have over it.

I look at it as a positive that at least the guy is looking for a legal way to solve a problem that he has, rather than sitting in his truck with a spotlight and .243.

By the way, anyone ever hear of "Don't kill the messenger" ?

I wasn't trying to be combative, but my posts did come across that way. It appears to me that the landowner is not really interest in solving his problem, but rather shooting some does for his freezer. I get that impression from the comment below.

Originally Posted by OR_Bo_Huntr

Anyway, he's looking for some meat, and looking to get rid of a couple fat, alfalfa filled does......its no where near the WV

It doesn't appear to me that all he wants is the deer damage to be controlled. He wants "alfalfa filled does." That was my point. Joe, sorry if I shot the messenger, that I wasn't my intention. I was just trying to point out that getting a damage control tag so that you can fill your freezer is wrong. To my knowledge, that isn't what they are meant for. I also was not trying to debate whether I wanted to hunt his ranch. I don't even hunt big game in Oregon and think he can do whatever he wants with his land and granting permission. That has nothing to do with what I am talking about.

Joe

[Snug 2]

I agree with Rob.

A good friend had elk eating his hay in the Burns area. He complained to ODFW and they told him to fence the stacks in questions. They even paid for part of the fence cost. Now the elk aren't a problem. They still come into the fields at night, but don't create any more economic impact, so there is no reason for him to get the damage control tags.

When I was a kid we had an orchard that got hammered each year by the deer. We could get damage control tags as we needed. Any doe shot had to be skinned, gutted, and taken in good order to the Mission for the homeless to eat.

OR_BO_Hunter's friend needs to first protect his pile of hay, then ask for tags if the problem continues. And I agree, just wanting to shoot a fat doe is not right at all.