Pilot trick or real?

Tilla · 10-31-2008, 05:54 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRCbk.../08102703.html

Roperguy · 10-31-2008, 06:34 AM

that was pretty amazing

Hogmaster · 10-31-2008, 07:17 AM

Got that in emal yesterday. It seems real, but it is absolutely astounding if it is.

One very very skilled and lucky dude!

DT · 10-31-2008, 07:33 AM

I'm a pilot. Completely fake.

Losing a wing mid flight would spin the plane in the direction of the lost wing and end in total catastrophe.

Hogmaster · 10-31-2008, 07:44 AM

Not necessarily....

http://www.videosift.com/video/One-w...dair-collision

crabbait · 10-31-2008, 07:47 AM

Yes, DT, but have you flown planes that will nearly climb on the prop alone with no wings? The plane is designed for aerobatics and I suspect that this is not the first time he has pulled the maneuver. Note just prior to touchdown that he is not using lift from the remaining wing. He has the engine turned up with full throttle virtually pulling the aircraft into the air sans wing-provided lift.

I can't verify the validity of the video but don't rule it out based on Cessna performance.

Jaws · 10-31-2008, 07:53 AM

Isn't torque amazing?!?

Jaws · 10-31-2008, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by crabbait

Yes, DT, but have you flown planes that will nearly climb on the prop alone with no wings? The plane is designed for aerobatics and I suspect that this is not the first time he has pulled the maneuver. Note just prior to touchdown that he is not using lift from the remaining wing. He has the engine turned up with full throttle virtually pulling the aircraft into the air sans wing-provided lift.

I can't verify the validity of the video but don't rule it out based on Cessna performance.

You are correct. A prop is nothing more than a wing bolted to an engine.

Joe C · 10-31-2008, 07:56 AM

not as cool as shark surfing, but pretty neat.

Silver Hilton · 10-31-2008, 08:12 AM

If it's real, I'll bet he needed new pants.

USS Minnow · 10-31-2008, 08:17 AM

Though I think this one is a computer generated fake it is possible for RC aircraft.
Check out this video taken down by Corvallis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOBB_-gZFNo

nakoa · 10-31-2008, 08:19 AM

that was pretty cool if it is real or not thanks tilla

ampersat · 10-31-2008, 08:47 AM

I was thinking RC aircraft as well. Review the video as he prepares the flop landing. The scale seems wrong to me (could be a trick of the camera lense though). Also, there's a blip in the video after the plane has touched down and prior to it turning and coming to a stop.

SandySlayer · 10-31-2008, 09:06 AM

CGI. Notice how the camera goes out of focus right at the moment when the plans does a perfect flop down onto the grass......

DanS · 10-31-2008, 09:51 AM

There is NO WAY that's real.

That plane will NOT fly on horsepower alone, and like the pilot above mentioned, when one wing comes off, the plane will maple seed out of the sky. Even if it could fly on horsepower alone, you'd need both wings to come off at the same time, otherwise one side of the plane flies, while the other doesn't.

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but don't rule it out based on Cessna performance.

It's not a Cessna, and there isn't a Cessna built that could fly after losing a wing.

Bloom · 10-31-2008, 10:15 AM

Whether it is real or staged, it is possible. Flying knife-edge is done with a combination of throttle,(advanced) aileron and rudder deployment. The rudder becomes an elevator as well as a lifting surface. An experienced pilot with the right aircraft can pull this maneuver.

Fast Water · 10-31-2008, 10:24 AM

Phuzzy fizzics

baitsauce · 10-31-2008, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Fast Water

Phuzzy fizzics

That's phunny

Reel_Big_Fish · 10-31-2008, 11:32 AM

I love 3DS Max and similar animation programs. I did a similar video project except using a space shuttle while in college. I got the video in my email yesterday also.

Threemuch · 10-31-2008, 12:14 PM

I am going to vote fake. The way the plane bounces when it touches down but then doesn't bounce again seems not possible. It also seems impossible that the pilot could maintain control if a wing flopped off in this manner. If it was real, it would have to be carefully planned and expected by the pilot.

And what was that shot with, super 8?

CATCH AND EAT · 10-31-2008, 12:56 PM

Hey Crabbait, nice to hear from you again.

Plane looks fake in this video.

But given it is a stunt plane and that I have seen air shows where these planes fly by hanging on their props making forward progress at a very slow speed.....I say it is possible. Planes can do some very amazing things.

Better ask Patty Wagstaff.

saltfisher · 10-31-2008, 01:24 PM

I've seen stunts like that at air shows etc. So it could be real. The real question I have is where is the wing that fell off? Seems like it would have fallen on the crowd below? I didn't see lots of folks running and screaming away from the wing. I did hear the guy in the video squelch run run run form the plane though.

Bob

HiTekRdNek · 10-31-2008, 01:27 PM

I'm on the side that this is possible also.
I've seen some unbelievable stuff done by pilots in these type of planes.

Jaws · 10-31-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by saltfisher

I've seen stunts like that at air shows etc. So it could be real. The real question I have is where is the wing that fell off? Seems like it would have fallen on the crowd below? I didn't see lots of folks running and screaming away from the wing. I did hear the guy in the video squelch run run run form the plane though.

Bob

Bingo! Only one guy in shorts does the screaming and runs into view of the video area? Yea right! Must have been a private air show!

Very private!

Half fast Toyn · 10-31-2008, 01:41 PM

What really gives this video away as fake is how the camera parallels the plane on the landing. In an instant the camera goes from still to the speed of the plane.... that would be imposable.

greenbuttskunk · 10-31-2008, 01:42 PM

a clever combo of RC plane, edits with camera blur, and real footage of full size plane at the end. Only a toy plane would hit the grass like that. Plus I agree that the plane would simple spin to the ground like a maple seed.
Dropping vertically I don't see how ANY prop could create this kind of lift.

I'm not a pilot, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn express once. So I think I'm an expert at this.

kilchisfisher · 10-31-2008, 07:46 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LveSc8Lp0ZE

According to the video, this plane landed with one wing. But it isn't a small stunt plane either. (Edit - -didn't see the original post of this by Hogmaster before posting this.)

DogZilla15 · 10-31-2008, 08:45 PM

I'm with Bloom on this one. Plenty of motor (torque), the three blade prop and a super light plane says it's real. Getting it to land on the wheels is the trick. Knowing what the plane will do when the power comes off.

Freakwater · 10-31-2008, 08:52 PM

My eye says fakey looking from beginning to end. The exhaust in the beginning is clearly fakey. Seriously, that is so clearly animated.

Freakwater

bandwcow · 10-31-2008, 08:53 PM

I am not a pilot or familiar with planes, but watch closely as the plane touches down. the nose does not dive in. Pictures create amazing tricks.

DogZilla15 · 10-31-2008, 09:02 PM

Don't think of this aircraft as an airplane. Think of it as a helicopter. That's how it's being flown.

fiddler · 10-31-2008, 09:27 PM

My 2

When the wing comes off, the plane is almost at the top of the climb. The plane is going rather slow at this point, yet the wing tumbles and turns and distances itself from the plane very quickly as if it has very little mass = RC plane.

Phillipkol · 11-01-2008, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tilla

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRCbk.../08102703.html

I am a former Naval Aviator and my title for this "U" got tubed film would be
"Video Trick - Not For Real? I agree with the comments that the loss of an entire wing on on the configuration shown in the film would result in an uncontrollable crash - emphasis on the word uncontrollable.

Phil

Dave G · 11-01-2008, 04:16 PM

Does look fake, but still pretty cool.

Jet Drifter · 11-01-2008, 05:05 PM

Giant Scale Radio Control Plane. Theres more. Heres another
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsNIh...eature=related

freespool · 11-01-2008, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phillipkol

I am a former Naval Aviator and my title for this "U" got tubed film would be
"Video Trick - Not For Real? I agree with the comments that the loss of an entire wing on on the configuration shown in the film would result in an uncontrollable crash - emphasis on the word uncontrollable.

Phil

I'm going to agree with you Phillipkol, the video is fake, looks R/C to me.
As was pointed out by Hogmaster, the F15 can sustain catastrophic battle damage and still survive.
How can this be?
Well unlike the propeller driven aircraft, the F15 has a fly by wire computer controlled flight control system.
The other difference is thrust to weight ratio, the F15 generates more pounds of thrust, than the aircraft weighs.

Here's a demonstration on how this computer controlled flight control system works when the wing comes off.

http://www.rockwellcollins.com/news/...tolerance.html