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Old 06-14-2003, 08:39 PM   #1
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Default Halibut fishing ocean conditions?

I have been wanting to ask this question since my wife and I hooked up with a salty dog for a halibut trip this coming Saturday. But the tragedy in Garabaldi today really got me wondering; what kind of ocean conditions are you guys looking for? We are going out of Newport. I understand that the bar is not nearly as treacherous as Tillamook. But, how big is too big for the little boats you folks venture out in?

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Old 06-14-2003, 09:29 PM   #2
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Woody-
Generally when the swell and the wind wave height add up to more than 10' you won't see to many boats heading across the bar. Of course the predictions have been known to be off from time to time. It's generally a "go and have a look" type of deal.

See the predictions here:

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/Portland/afd?PDXCWFPQR

See what's actually happening here:

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/Maps/Northwest.shtml

46050 is the buoy on the outer edge of the Rock Pile (Stonewall Bank)
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Old 06-14-2003, 09:31 PM   #3
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Old 06-14-2003, 11:01 PM   #4
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Default Re: Halibut fishing ocean conditions?

Those are great questions Woody. You need to be prepared as much as the captains need to be prepared. I feel horrible about those folks who parished today, and the worst part about it is they probably had no idea what to expect or even imagined any danger.

There are alot of things that have to be looked at and UG pointed them out on my "Let us learn" thread. Not only do we look at the wave forecast but we must also look at the tides, the weather, wind direction, etc.. As UG pointed out, there wasn't much else they could've stacked against themselves this morning. Not that it couldn't be done, just that it was far from the best conditions to go out in.

That being said, the current forecast is stating that Thursday is at 3ft. chop / 5 ft. swell. As NorRivDave said, under 10 combined is best but there are other factors. A 3ft. chop is very uncomfortable in a small boat. Not unsafe, just uncomfortable. Therefore you could technically have 3 and 3 seas but still not want to go out because your going to get beat up. Also, wind direction/speed play a huge part. Wind going against the swell creates steep chop/swell making it even more uncomfortable. Typically however the forecasts are based on worse case scenarios, and those scenarios are more likely to come to fruition later in the afternoon when winds pick up. Most people leave very early in the morning because there is usually less wind and less chop. The captain has to decide when to come back though and decide what his vessel/crew can handle.

I would guess to say that if the forecast holds we'll be dancing. Looking at the tide graphs for next week, Thursday appears to be the worst of the 3 days however not bad in terms of our schedules. Most people will be heading out in the very early morning hours, which in the case of the tides this weekend, will be at or near high tide. Low tide will occur mid-day so most will return after that during the incoming tide. Thursday has a tide exchange, from high to low , of about 7.8 ft. of water which is fairly significant but to compare it to today's tide they went out on an almost 11ft. tide right during the ebb. That's 11 ft. of water moving out of the bay! :shocked: At max ebb that current coming out of Tillamook Bay was moving at 4.5 knots/hr.! :shocked:

Ideal conditions would be that you cross the bar on an incoming tide. The reason for this is because the "ocean" water then has no resistance to fight to get into the bay, vs. when the tide is going out and water is flowing out of the bay while "ocean" water is trying to get into the bay.

The tidal trend improves thru the Hali season and by Saturday the tide exchange is around 5 ft., which by this captains opinion is AWESOME!

So we've got the tides in our favor, now we just need Mother Nature to cooperate and stay settled down.

I hope that helps. I'm sure there are better people on this board who can explain it much clearer.

Keep your fingers crossed and I hope to see you out there!
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Old 06-15-2003, 05:33 AM   #5
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Good on Woody for asking the question and great responses! The combined 10 foot rule of thumb is just that, a rule of thumb. It helps make it easier to not consider those days that are obviously over that. Another thing that gets looked at is the trend. An improving trend helps the ocean lay down so that if you have a 2 and 5 forecast for a target day and it has been trending down all week, you have a better chance of it being good out. Additionally, you can look at what the forecast is past the days you are going out to help see the trend. An inexact science......but observing I-fishers discussing on this board the upcoming forecasts, and then hearing what it actually was, is a great education for those wanting to learn.

I am crossing my fingers that the improving forecasted trend continues towards the halibut days.
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Old 06-15-2003, 07:17 AM   #6
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Woody,
Taylor's Viewpoint will not take you where it's unsafe. He has a reliable, well maintained boat.

Accidents can happen and you should have your PFD on, especialy when crossing the bar. In my opinion it's much more dangerous to drive in Portland than to cross a bar when the USCG is allowing it.
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Old 06-15-2003, 07:45 AM   #7
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I'm sure there are better people on this board who can explain it much clearer.
<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">Maybe, but I doubt it Your explanation answered all of my questions, and then some.

Vickie and I have been going out on charters for years. We've been on the ocean dozens of times. I always just trusted the Coast Guard and the captain to determine whether it was safe or not. Actually, the only times we've had trips canceled because of bar conditions, was out of Garabaldi. Since we're taking the "next step" and going out on a small boat with friends, instead of a charter, I thought I'd better learn some of the "hows and whys". Hopefully, In a couple of years I'll build "Woody II, or III" and take it out on the big blue. Be prepared for LOTS more questions. [img]graemlins/stupid.gif[/img]

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Old 06-15-2003, 07:47 AM   #8
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I've been on charters out of t-bay. The standard crossing when it's rough is to hug the North Jetty and just as they clear the tip to cut N/NW to get out of the mouth and then back W/NW.. It freaked me out a little the day I went, you're a little sideways for a while. My guess is the Tacki took a big one in that 10 seconds or so he was headed North in the swell. :depressed:
The middle grounds at Tillamook are a disaster so nobody heads straight out. They need to do something about that bar. If you follow the bouys/.markers on that bar entrance you go right through what is normally the worst part of the bar.
Only way to prevent this sort of thing is to not be there. Pick your days.
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Old 06-15-2003, 07:55 AM   #9
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Taylor's Viewpoint will not take you where it's unsafe. He has a reliable, well maintained boat.
<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">After talking to you and Taylor's Viewpoint, and seeing pics of his boat, I have no doubt of his abilities as a Captain or his vessels seaworthyness(sp). I'm just trying to understand what is the right thing to do and take some responsibility for my own safety.

I'm really looking forward to catching my first 'but, see you saturday!!

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