your thoughts on expandable broadheads

[elkfivebear]

should odfw change the law or leave it the same

[High Life]

YES!!change the law

[Just Fish]

I have use expandables were they are legal.Some are Junk and some are as good as it gets.Rocket steelheads are a very good head and the are as deadly as muzzys or similar heads .There are a lot of people that have used the junk and made up there minds on all expanables.I shot a big hog with a rocket steelhead at 45 yards and it blow thru him like he was made of paper.I shot a small bull at 32 yards with the rocket and with the same results as the hog.

[Rip'N'Lips]

Did you guys see the Dick's ad from last week? Expandable broadheads on sale. I wonder if those guys know the regulations in Oregon...

Rip'N'Lips

[Hookset]

Leave the regulation as is.

[QH's Paw]

Originally Posted by Hookset

Leave the regulation as is.

[SImudBogger]

I'm not a bowhunter so please forgive me....
What is the advantage or disatvantge of mechanical broadheads? why are some agianst them and others for them?

[outdoor.spec.ops]

I have had success with them in the past. For me, they fly better than a fixed blade broadhead and open to a larger cutting diameter.

For all of the Haters: Why are you opposed to a device that can increase accuracy and thus result in more humane kills?

Don't give me the " they are weak" broadheads line. There are some pretty crappy broadheads with fixed blades as well.

[elkthumper]

change it

[Eagleclaw]

Originally Posted by outdoor.spec.ops

I have had success with them in the past. For me, they fly better than a fixed blade broadhead and open to a larger cutting diameter.

For all of the Haters: Why are you opposed to a device that can increase accuracy and thus result in more humane kills?

Don't give me the " they are weak" broadheads line. There are some pretty crappy broadheads with fixed blades as well.

Tune your bow better and fixed blade broadheads will fly just well as field points. we don't need expandables in Oregon

[blackdog]

Tune your bow better and fixed blade broadheads will fly just well as field points. we don't need expandables in Oregon

Every bow should be tuned as good as possible, regardless of broadhead used. I'm still waiting to hear a good explanation though on why mechanicals shouldn't be legal.

[Eagleclaw]

Originally Posted by blackdog

Every bow should be tuned as good as possible, regardless of broadhead used. I'm still waiting to hear a good explanation though on why mechanicals shouldn't be legal.

Call ODFW and ask them why they outlawed them. my guess is that the older models didnt' always open on contact. My guess is until they can make them bullet proof they will remain illegal.

[outdoor.spec.ops]

Originally Posted by Eagleclaw

Tune your bow better and fixed blade broadheads will fly just well as field points. we don't need expandables in Oregon

Thats not a strong statement.........Perhaps our ancestors should have cleaned their french drains...we don't need sewers in the world our crap ditches work just fine!

FYI my bow is tuned and my fixed blades work great. I just would like the option.

[Crayfin]

I was against them when they first came out because the WERE garbage. I am not totally against them now....however...there should be a maximum expanded size--too big and people who try that "rake 'em down the side" shot are going to get lousy penetration and leave wounded animals in the field. I did the test...so I dont need to hear it. Too much of a quartering shot is not going to be a good result. It often times isnt with fixed blades either. Part of me does not like the fact that you can just screw one on and go hunting and get good accuracy...there is no learning curb to understand why your bow reacts a certain way...no tinkering to get familiar with your weapon. It may happen in the future... I would accept it with certain limitations but personally......I am going to stick with fixed heads

Todd

[hill shooter]

leave it like it is

[ehunter]

Another reason is that a sharp broad that comes out after a bad hit can be healed up a mechanical blade is more than likely to stay in the animal and cause a infection. I see no reason to make a change get a slower bow if yours can't be tuned

[traks44]

Change it!

I wonna shoot Rage expandables!!!!!!

[Grumpy Sasquatch]

Originally Posted by Rip'N'Lips

Did you guys see the Dick's ad from last week? Expandable broadheads on sale. I wonder if those guys know the regulations in Oregon...

Rip'N'Lips

Yes, we know the regs on Oregon and you cannot buy them at the store. I am pretty sure the ad was submitted by someone outside of Oregon. I could be wrong though.

[Dead I]

Actually the regulations state that mechanical broadheads are illegal to posses in the field while hunting big game, therefore the the stores can legally sell them. Some may say the shops are "promoting" the use of mechanicals by stocking them, but the stores won't stop selling firearms because it is bow season.

[TubeFly]

Leave the regs.....

Expandables are not all they are cracked up to be and would also most likely tempt others to shoot beyond exceptable and ethic limits.........

Energy and time used opening the expandables is cut on contact time lost which equals less efficient killing.

No I have not used them myself but my old hunting partner (who is a good archer) lost two magnificent bulls in one season in Wyoming. I think he actually quit bowhunting because of it. Any angled shot is out of the question.......

We don't use the poison capsule broadheads here either but many people wanted to use them way back when also.

my two cents.

[where's your bobber dude]

I know it doesn't happen all the time but I put a muzzy through an elk rib last year and it still punched through both lungs. I knew it was a good shot but it sounded like I hit a shoulder blade. He died before I could even put another arrow into him. I have a friend that guides for elk in states that allow expandables and he says I wouldn't have got that elk with an expandable. I don't know but I am happy using fixed blades.

I don't see any problem using them for deer. I agree there are some crappy fixed blades out there but I guess you have to draw the line somewhere.

[whtelk]

I am not sure of this but there is a video some where that showed a man shooting a bull with a mechanical BH. The shot was angled and one blade deployed fully and the other did not. I think that might just be enough to stop you from getting very good penetration. I think also that the regs are fine the way they are.

[Hookset]

Originally Posted by outdoor.spec.ops

For me, they fly better than a fixed blade broadhead and open to a larger cutting diameter.

IMO - That larger cutting diameter doesn't necessarily equal a more effective kill. It also means these blades or more prone to deflection resulting in less penetration when hitting bone, and on game the size of elk that's not a good thing. Plus those extra long blades don't have enough back bone and strength for large game either. But the real kicker to me is the expandable broadheads are not broadheads at all until they open and having to rely on a mechanical release and hinge at the point of impact seriously challenges the effectiveness on large game like elk.

I also believe there are other reason; morally, and traditionally why expandables heads are not legal in Oregon.

[Hooked up]

I think it is all good. To me it comes down to knowing your equipment and having confidence in it.

I also think they should alow 80% let off on your bows. . That might help in cutting back on loosing wounded animals because your arms are shaking from holding your bow too long because you are not willing to pass on the shot, might not get another chance the rest of the season.

[Bobberman]

Originally Posted by Hooked up

I also think they should alow 80% let off on your bows. .

your wish has been granted

[Eagleclaw]

[quote=Hooked up;2162270].

I also think they should alow 80% let off on your bows. .


ODFW changed that rule. 80% left off is legal in Oregon

[Opportunist]

They made that rule in Oregon, Washington and Idaho on the first generation mechanicals that would fail (Pucketts blood trailer) That was 15-18 years ago. I don't know much about them since they aren't legal so I haven't messed around with them, but if they don't fail anymore I say make them legal. Better flight, larger wound channel sounds like a more effective head. Has anyone seen any tests done on mechanical heads in recent years?

[Jimbow]

There seems to be very few other states that outlaw Mechs. I don't believe that there is a good point to be made by outlawing them. They have come a long way in quality since we all first saw them all those years ago. I use the fixed blade G5 but I'd change in a heartbeat if mechs were legal.

[jokester]

This could be debated all day. The reason behind me wanting them to keep the regs the way they are is simple logic. With mechanical, you're hoping the blades open and cut on contact with the animal. With fixed blades, your blades are cutting from the moment of out of taking them out of your quiver. I don't want to chance my shot on an animal that they might or might not open.

That being said, I haven't had much experience with the mechanicals, however, I'm sure they've come along way since they first came out.

-jokester

[outdoor.spec.ops]

Originally Posted by Bobberman

your wish has been granted

Tune your arm up and you won't need 80% letoff

[OR_Bo_Huntr]

Originally Posted by Eagleclaw

Tune your bow better and fixed blade broadheads will fly just well as field points. we don't need expandables in Oregon

Exactly, most people are too lazy.....better for the guys' whos passion is bowhunting
Plus there arent any expandables that will match up to the strength of something like an MX4, Slick Trick, G5 Striker...

[TubeFly]

Isn't gear already advanced enough? What happened to actual hunting skills.......this is bowhunting we are talking about, lets keep it real.

[fergy61]

The OLD expandables lose too much kinetic energy when they hit a quartered target when only one blade opens & the other does not, resulting in poor penetration & poor cutting. The new (rage) cam type open all the way on impact & angles don't matter. They leave a large wound channel causing massive Hemorrhaging.
These I think should be legal. I don't condone long range bow shots & would not take one just because I was shooting an expandable.