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Old 05-22-2003, 10:08 AM   #1
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Default Marine Shorefishing questions.

First off I have never done this before. It looks like fun and me and some buddies want to give it a try this year. We will be fishing from the shore. I just have a few questions.

1.) The regs say the water is open all year but can you actually catch fish all year or is there only certain times of year when they are biting. We are looking at late july early august time. Would we have much luck that time of year?

2.) What kind of tackle would you need? Salmon rod? How heavy of line and what kind of lures/bait?

3.) What do you do? Just cast it out and wait or bounce it off the bottom?

4.) What tide do you fish?

5.) WHere is the best place to go? Is Astoria/Seaside good? Newport? Coos Bay?

Thanks for any input I can get.

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Old 05-22-2003, 02:36 PM   #2
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Hey, Japeter2, talk to DepoeBaydan about fishing from the bank near Depoe bay.

Are you bank fishing or boating?

The fishing peaks in early spring Mar-May. But you can get Bottom fish pretty much any time. It is open all year but the weather is really rough during the winter. That leaves Summer for serious effort.

For boating, I would recommend Newport. Just drive to the last green bouy and drift south.

Use shrimp flies, Mooched herring or grubs and jigs. They all work.
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Old 05-22-2003, 02:40 PM   #3
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Hi Japeter2,

I'm doing the very same thing this weekend in Charleston. I poured over the marine regs too looking for that answer. As near as I can tell there are only a couple areas closed. Whale Cove and Pyrimid Rock (where ever that is).


I printed off the following information from Depoe Bay Dan's posts:


Maybe this will answer a few questions for some of you. This is an article I wrote last year and Rick from Local Fisherman News did an excellent job editing it for me.
I originally posted this on 2/12/03 http://www.ifish.net/cgi-local/ultim...c;f=1;t=021001 and there are a couple good lingcod pic's there taken off the Depoe Bay rocks. I'll see if I can find the post I did for the Tillamook gig.

Rock fishing Tips & How To

Rock fishing for Sea bass (Black Rockfish), Lingcod, Sea trout (Kelp Greenling), Cabezon, and Striped Sea perch is often fun and productive along Oregon’s rugged coast!
The rocky "outcroppings" in the Depoe Bay area are the best on the coast! "That's why I moved here some 10 years ago"! Said Dan Dettmann a longtime coastal angler and owner of Simon & Peters Tackle Co. in Depoe Bay.
The jetties can be good, but usually produce smaller fish! Although, at night the jetties will be more productive for larger fish! There is a big advantage of fishing the rocky area's in the Depoe Bay area, etc., "'because these area's aren't as affected by the tides like the jetty's are"! For example, in the Depoe Bay area, you can fish any tide! (Some areas are more accessible at low tide). The jetties are affected by the "tidal exchange"! (The amount of water rushing in or out!) Large "tidal exchanges" are normally not good off the jetties because of the excessive amounts of water flowing into or out of the Bay! (Therefore, you are limited to fishing the "slack"!) Slack tides (high or low) are normally the best times to catch rockfish off the Jetties!
Best times to fish - Anytime is a good time on the rocks! However, low tide is the only time you can access some areas that are hot for rockfish. “But, the unique thing about fishing Depoe Bay is that you can fish any tide”!
Dan says “In the Depoe Bay area, some places are best during high tides and/or low tides. And sometimes it's better during daylight hours, and sometimes it's best at night! The best and for the most part, safest time to fish from the rocks is during a 6' swell or less! As for surf fishing for Redtail's off the beach, the same hold's true, 6' swell or less! Some of the local TV stations and web sites show ocean swells and wind waves, i.e. ... One site is at; www.wunderground.com/MAR/PZ/255.html.”
Clothing and shoes - Raingear is a must, even during spring and summer months as coastal anglers will at times encounter unfavorable weather. Therefore, it’s always a good habit to take along the raingear on any coastal trip. It can make the difference between a cold miserable fishing trip and a warm and dry one.
Good waterproof boots are recommended but not required. Dettmann recommends footwear like “Extratuff's” available at Englund Marine on the coast. “They keep your feet dry and comfortable and provide the best traction of any boot I’ve ever experienced!” He says.

Tackle and gear - Typical gear includes; a quality 15 to 25 pound mainline for those throwing jigs, 20-30 pound line is best for those tossing bait! Anglers fishing for striped sea perch, sea trout (kelp greenling), and small lingcod/cabezon, can use sand shrimp (ghost shrimp) for bait, where as Angler's fishing for the larger Lingcod use herring for bait. Other bait's like; clams, mussels, kelp worm's, etc. can also be used, but sand shrimp is commonly available and usually very effective! Bait is typically fished above a sinker on the bottom. One to two hooks are used above the weight. Smaller #2 and #4 hooks for the perch and greenling, and larger 3/0 to 5/0 hooks for the bigger species like lingcod & cabezon.

Sea bass (Black Rockfish) usually prefer bait that’s moving and will typically take jigs a lot better than bait! The jigs of choice are Simon Peters “Sea bass Killers” or small jig's utilizing a 3" Shad or a 3-6" curl tail worm. Jig head sizes range from 1/2 oz. to 1 ounce.

“For lingcod, the 'bigger the better"! Off the rock's, an 8" curl tail worm is best! Motor oil or white, are two of the most effective colors!” says Dettmann. Use jig heads of 1 oz. to 2 ounces in weight with 1 1/2 ounce being my preference!

As far as shad jig’s for sea bass, the pearl blue/black back is the most popular color. However, pearl/black back, pearl, clear glitter/black back, chartreuse/black back, pearl/blue back, and pearl/green back are the favored colors! Some angler's prefer the larger 4" Chovy minnow in the same colors!

Weights: “Anglers typically use 1-2 oz. bank sinkers on the jetties. Bank sinkers don't grab the rock's as easy as pyramid's which are designed to hold in the surf/sand!” Dan says.

However, over the years I have witnessed some anglers using lighter weights like slinkies or split-shot which at times have been real successful (drifting the jetties - so to speak). Some of the more serious angler's fishing open ocean, especially during rough swells, use 3-5 ounce weights!

Rod: An 8 to 9-foot medium duty one or two-piece spinning or casting rod capable of casting up to 4 ounces of lead will do the job nicely. If you use excessively heavy equipment you’ll wind up tiring yourself out.

Most anglers use an 8 1/2 foot steelhead/salmon rod, which typically increases casting distance.
Most anglers also bring along a bucket or burlap bag to carry home their catch.
See Sport Fishing Regulations for bag limits, special rules and fish identification.
Information for this article provided by Dan Dettmann, Simon Peters Tackle Company. Edited by Rick L Martin, The Local Fisherman


And.....


Here's part of a reply I posted on the Tillamook jetty gig thread and is more aimed at fishing the jetty but most of it is adapted for fishing the rocks (open ocean) in the Depoe Bay area and other various areas along the coast.

I'm done for the night but as I said if anyone wants to give her a try Friday night or Saturday and/or Sunday just post it or email me. I will have more time to respond and post some pic's Thursday after returning to Depoe Bay.

Fish_N_Russ,

On the jetty a 8'-9' medium to heavy rod in a spinning or casting works well (whatever you're comfortable casting). 15# - 20# line is most common.

TERMINAL TACKLE:
For seabass (Black's) small jig's work best but ocassionally bait works also. 1/2oz., 3/4oz., and 1oz. jig heads would be your best bets. I prefer the shorter shank (3/0) jig head with a 3" shad body on it. A 4" curl tail grub (worm) works well also.
Some folks like the longer shank hook (5/0) in a 3/4oz., 1oz., 1&1/2oz., or 2oz. jig head.
With those you would use a 6" curl tail grub
(worm), or a 4" shad, cocahoe, or chovy minnow. Some folks like to use a 4" twin tail shrimp on the longer shank (5/0) jig head also, but not my preferance.
If specifically targeting Lingcod (2 fish limit this year), an 8" curl tail grub (worm) or 6" shad/cocahoe minnow works better. But they will grab the smaller bass stuff.
Colors:
In the shads, cocahoes, or chovy minnows, some of the best colors are the blue pearl/ black back, pearl/black back, pearl/blue back, pearl/green back, pearl, clear glitter/black back, clear glitter/blue back, chartreuese glitter/black back.
In a curl tail grub (worm), the two best colors are white and motor oil. Black, flo orange, root beer, black and other colors work also.

Bait fishing:
You can really improvise there.
If you are fishing smaller species like seatrout (kelp greenling), or pearch, smaller hooks in a size 2 or 4 are best. I normally use a surf leader which you can buy or make your own. A surf leader comes with a barrel swivel at one end to tie to your mainline,and a snap swivel at the other to attach your weight. It has 2 loops in between to hook your snelled hooks to.
Some folks make there own version with a three way or crossline swivel to tie there dropper line and hook & leader too.
For the jetty, 1oz., 1&1/2oz., or 2oz. bank sinkers should be adequit.
For the folks targeting Lingcod or Cabezon (new 16" minimum size on Cabbies), you are probably better off tying your own leader set-up and using 20lb.+ test and 3/0-5/0 hooks.
Bait:
For the little guys I would have to say sandshrimp works best. Other baits; clams, mussels, kelp worms, squid, etc. work at times also. (Kelp worms are great, if you can get them).
For Lingcod, the best bait is Herring or a small seatrout that you catch.
The largest Barview Ling that I have caught (11#'s.) was caught on squid. Good bait also.

Bobber fishing is also an effective way of catching Ling's and big bass.
The guy's bobber fishing Salmon at the Columbia river jetty (Ilwaco) catch a lot of nice rockfish.

If you choose to fish the beach (sand) for redtail surfpearch (i.e. pogies, pink fins), the surf leader set-up I mentioned above with #2 or #4 snelled hooks does the job. Some folks use the expensive "safety pin" hooks.
You would use a 3oz. pyramid or sand claw sinker there. Some times 2oz. or 4oz.
A longer rod in the 11' or 12' works well, but not necessary.
I usually use my Salmon/Steelhead rods (8'6") for both the jetties or sandy beaches.

Best time for blacks off the jetties is usually after dark, or at dusk or dawn combined with a slack tide, but can be excellent at any time of day. Ling fishing is best during the daytime.
I don't bother with a lantern at night, but just a small pocket flashlight for retying or moving around. I usually carry two in case the batteries or bulb go bad in one of them.
Needle nose pliers come in handy for many task (removing hooks, retying, etc).
A burlap bag works best for me, but other methods for storing your fish work also. Burlap bags don't fall over or off the rocks as easily as a bucket.
If you have a shrimp gun, you can save a few bucks by pumping your own bait.
Great fun for the kids catching seatrout & pearch from the rocks and beach.
Boots or shoes with good traction work better than most tennis shoes. Extra Tuffs are the best I've used.
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Old 05-22-2003, 03:53 PM   #4
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Default Re: Marine Shorefishing questions.

Ya know, you gotta love it when a guys asks a question and gets his answer in spades.

Japeter2, after perusing the small novel by Depoe Bay Dan, if you need any more info you can drop him an email. He is a great guy and doesn't mind if you drop by and go fishing with him at the coast either.
Give him a yell and he will meet up with you when he is available and give you a few lessons.

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Old 05-24-2003, 09:36 AM   #5
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Default Re: Marine Shorefishing questions.

Thanks for the compliments guys. Now if I could only get the swelling in my head to go down.

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The fishing peaks in early spring Mar-May. But you can get Bottom fish pretty much any time. It is open all year but the weather is really rough during the winter. That leaves Summer for serious effort.
<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">I agree with Pilar on this one and that is usually the best time of year (peak) but you can find some great rockfishing off & on any time during the year.

You can find some of your best fishing and ocean sometimes during the winter months however (lack of wind and swell). I have had some great fishing in December and this year we found some great fishing and ocean conditions in January.

I missed a great photo opportunity 4 or 5 years ago when it snowed down here one night in December and I was commercial crabbing. My little buddy Mikey was sleighing the bass off of north point Depoe Bay on the snow covered rocks. What a great photo that would have been!

Fishing for rockfish in the ocean & bays is open all year round day and night and sometimes is better at night. Sometimes the larger bass are taken at night off the rocks and jettys. I have never done well for lings at night fishing the rocks or in a boat.

I've always told folks that Whale Cove was the only place on the Oregon coast that was closed to fishing but after reading Fast Water's post I'll have to look into Pyramid Rock. I don't have a clue where it is either.

Some folks missinterpet the reg's and when they read some places like Boiler bay and Pirates Cove are closed to harvesting invertebrates they think it is closed to fishing. Invertebrates are not fish.

I am bad at returning or answering all my emails and will have to take the time to go back through some old ones and respond.

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Old 05-24-2003, 09:39 PM   #6
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Default Re: Marine Shorefishing questions.

February to March is usually very good in Boiler Bay. Small pieces of shrimp fished on the bottom pick up lots of greenling. Very tasty. I haven't really tried the sea bass thing, but I'm going to have to after reading DepoeBayDan's iFish Encyclopedia of Rock Fishing.

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Old 05-24-2003, 10:57 PM   #7
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You're right happybrew. I used to drive down from Gladstone some 12-15 years ago and fish Boiler Bay with shrimp and found you usually caught larger greenlings in Febuary.

Then about 12-13 years ago I ran into a guy named Ron Thornhill a school teacher from Willamina. He and his two buddies were coming over the fence at Boiler with 45 blacks (the limit was 15 each back then).

Ron is now retired and I copied his jig and named it the "Seabass Killer". I got to know Ron real well over the years and became friends with him.

You'll have to try the jig thing because you can usually catch the larger bass & lings and I find they are my preference to catch and eat.

Come down and join us in June for the rockfish gig.

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Old 05-25-2003, 06:42 PM   #8
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Hey Dan, you got a picture of that "Seabass Killer". A picture is worth a thousand words! Sounds interesting!
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Old 05-25-2003, 07:55 PM   #9
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Old 05-26-2003, 04:25 PM   #10
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Thanks F-N-R. That post must have been during the three weeks I was in Ca. on emergency family business. Never have been able to catch up with the Salty Dogs Posts. I am still trying though.
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Old 05-26-2003, 09:04 PM   #11
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You guys have some great tips on how to shorefish but forgot the most important thing.

NEVER EVER TAKE YOUR EYES OFF THE OCEAN OR TURN YOUR BACK TO THE OCEAN.

Every year there is someone that is swept away from a rock along the Pacific Coast. Most of them die due to hypothermia or exhaustion. Check the tide tables carefully for the area that you are going to fish and respect the ocean. It is easy to get trapped by a high tide.
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Old 05-27-2003, 04:06 AM   #12
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Thanks for all the advise. Hopefully we will have some luck.
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