OCEAN Saltwater Sportsmen's Show 2012

Go Back   www.ifish.net > Ifish Fishing and Hunting > The Salty Dogs

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-29-2008, 05:46 AM   #1
black magic
Chromer
 
black magic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Portland/Garibaldi
Posts: 801
Default Help Save Your Fishing Access

This Op-Ed piece appeared in today's Oregonian. We are asking as many people as possible to write letters to the editor of the Oregonian expressing the fisheries side of this issue. If you need information for the content of your letter just do an IFISH search using the words marine reserves, MR, or OPAC. This should supply you with plenty to work with. The more letters sent the greater the chance of being published. This is very important, please do it.

http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/or...howtosend.html

John Holloway
RFA/Oregon Anglers

CREATING MARINE RESERVES

Friday, August 29, 2008 The Oregonian

A s marine biologists who spend our lives working in the world's oceans, we see an urgent need to protect our common resources. A system of marine reserves is an effective way to create healthy marine ecosystems and provide economic and social benefits for all.
In Oregon, our coastal communities are harmed by dwindling fish catches and marine habitat loss. But our ocean and our local fishing industry can recover if we intervene through the strategic use of marine reserves.
Marine reserves are not just about fish, nor are they just another fishery policy. They are the best way to sustain our coastal waters for the long term. This is because reserves take into account the whole ecosystem -- plankton, kelp, fish, birds, mammals and humans -- and the interactions among them. Marine reserves also provide the places where vital processes needed to sustain the web of life can happen. Failure to protect such places can result in species and ecosystem collapses, for which humans pay a bitter economic and social cost.
A large and growing body of peer-reviewed science consistently finds that many types of fish living within marine reserves grow larger and are more abundant and fertile. In the Edmonds reserve in Puget Sound, copper rockfish numbers are 15 times greater than at nearby fished sites. The reserve has enhanced the abundance of other sea life, attracting divers and tourists from all over the region and resulting in an ecological and economic benefit. In Hawaii a system of marine reserves designed by the local community replenished depleted reef fish by more than 50 percent and helped improve the dive tourism industry.
Throughout history, Oregon's fisheries managers have tried hard to keep ahead of their decline, but fishermen have struggled with stock collapses, closures and an uncertain future. There is little evidence that current management practices such as catch limits, shorter fishing seasons and gear changes alone can recover stocks and create the ecosystem stability that both fish and fishermen need to survive. And little evidence supports the idea that this type of species-based management will hold up against future ecosystem changes.
But studies of marine reserves in California found that kelp forests within reserves were the only ones to hold steady through 20 years of climate shifts. Those in nonreserve areas frequently collapsed. These findings indicate that marine reserves may provide more resilience, the ability to bounce back against such serious threats as climate change.
Fisheries policies are necessary but not sufficient to maintain our oceans. Enhancing efforts to manage fisheries would mean creating marine reserves that are "savings accounts" of marine life, areas where intact ecosystems are healthy, abundant and unthreatened. In New Zealand, fishermen benefited from a new marine reserve when depleted lobster populations began to rebound almost immediately. Today, lobstermen strategically set pots outside the boundary of the reserve and haul commercially viable catches. They have now become some of the reserve's staunchest defenders.
Oregon's network of marine reserves will work only with community support. We are the ones who hold the key to the recovery of our seas. The state is asking the public to nominate special ocean areas to protect. This is not a responsibility to be taken lightly. The science is clear. It's up to Oregonians and our leaders to apply this knowledge to create an Oregon coastal legacy for ourselves, our children and for generations to come.
Deborah Brosnan is president and founder of the Sustainable Ecosystems Institute in Portland. Brian Tissot is an associate professor of earth and environmental science at Washington State University in Vancouver.
__________________
A man's got to believe in something, I believe I'll go fishing.-Thoreau
http://www.rfaoregon.org
http://www.oregon-anglers.org

Last edited by black magic; 08-29-2008 at 09:35 AM.
black magic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2008, 06:07 AM   #2
FinFansea
Chromer
 
FinFansea's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Salem, Or.
Posts: 548
Default Re: Help Save Your Fishing Access

The Rock Pile is a marine reserve of sorts. Has the population of Yelloweye and Canary rockfish rebounded because of it?
__________________
FinFansea is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2008, 06:17 AM   #3
black magic
Chromer
 
black magic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Portland/Garibaldi
Posts: 801
Default Re: Help Save Your Fishing Access

The rockpile closure is not a marine reserve. It is an MPA as is the entire EEZ.
Canary and yelloweye are rebounding. They are both shelf dominant species. MR's in state waters will do nothing to hasten rebuilding.
__________________
A man's got to believe in something, I believe I'll go fishing.-Thoreau
http://www.rfaoregon.org
http://www.oregon-anglers.org
black magic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2008, 06:44 AM   #4
FinFansea
Chromer
 
FinFansea's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Salem, Or.
Posts: 548
Default Re: Help Save Your Fishing Access

I’m aware that it’s not a reserve in its entirety, but in sorts it is. I guess my point is that placing MR’s in strategic locations isn’t going to flip a switch and BOOM all problems are solved. Wow, fish everywhere! And no I don’t have a solution. I see these just placing more limits on the recreational fisherman.

Sure they might have helped small areas of Hawaii and Australia bringing tourists that travel to specifically to dive and take pictures of reef fish. I don’t see that happening here in Oregon.
__________________
FinFansea is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2008, 07:07 AM   #5
CATCH AND EAT
King Salmon
 
CATCH AND EAT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 21,813
Default Re: Help Save Your Fishing Access

John you might include a link to respond to the Oregonian here.

My letter is in process.
__________________
SHUT UP AND FISH!


Be pompous, obese, and eat cactus
Be dull, and boring, and omnipresent
Criticize things you don't know about
Be oblong and have your knees removed
CATCH AND EAT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2008, 07:11 AM   #6
Silver Eagle
Tuna!
 
Silver Eagle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Lebanon Oregon
Posts: 1,534
Default Re: Help Save Your Fishing Access

Put the Link up......Ray
__________________
Team Bite Me on the "PATRICIA"

Why can't my crew do what I say, Just Once.....
Silver Eagle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2008, 07:18 AM   #7
Salty Walty
King Salmon
 
Salty Walty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Newport,OR
Posts: 7,554
Default Re: Help Save Your Fishing Access

Submit opinion link;

http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/or...toopinion.html

Letters to the editor;

http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/or...howtosend.html
__________________
Patty Burke Fan
Give the gift of life. Donate Blood.
If you can take a day off to fish, You can take a day off to attend a meeting!
Participate or be happy with what you get!
Salty Walty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2008, 07:44 AM   #8
CATCH AND EAT
King Salmon
 
CATCH AND EAT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 21,813
Default Re: Help Save Your Fishing Access

letter sent!
__________________
SHUT UP AND FISH!


Be pompous, obese, and eat cactus
Be dull, and boring, and omnipresent
Criticize things you don't know about
Be oblong and have your knees removed
CATCH AND EAT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2008, 07:46 AM   #9
skein
is on the big blue pond again
 
skein's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Sweet Home
Posts: 8,909
Default Re: Help Save Your Fishing Access

Once again they have pre-empted us. They post their side of the story, complete with sign-offs from the scientific community, and then we respond like a bunch of hillbilly's; sputter...sputter...yeah but...sputter.

We're fishermen, and although we care deeply about the health of the ocean, our main desire is just to fish. They also have a goal and a plan, and aren't detoured by nice days and boiling tuna. So far theirs is working.

As Kipling once said, "We moved as the spirit listed, They never altered their pace..."

I don't offer a solution, but I know when something isn't working.

Skein
__________________
...my family, my flag, and my fishin' pole....
skein is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2008, 08:10 AM   #10
black magic
Chromer
 
black magic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Portland/Garibaldi
Posts: 801
Default Re: Help Save Your Fishing Access

Don't be discouraged people. We are making a huge difference. Quitting is not an option for many of us.

As a Doctor friend once told a patient who asked for a prescription for Valium because she couldn't cope. "There are two things you can take for this problem. You can take Valium or you can take action. For which would you like a prescription?".
__________________
A man's got to believe in something, I believe I'll go fishing.-Thoreau
http://www.rfaoregon.org
http://www.oregon-anglers.org
black magic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2008, 08:30 AM   #11
black magic
Chromer
 
black magic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Portland/Garibaldi
Posts: 801
Default Re: Help Save Your Fishing Access

Letter Sent.

Fishing is Not a Hate Crime

I wish to respond to guest viewpoint entitled “Creating Marine Reserves” by Deborah Brosnan and Brian Tissot, Oregonian August 29, 2008

We can only hope that denial of citizen access to sustainably managed resources never occurs in our ocean. Oregon’s ocean is relatively pristine and untouched when compared to other areas of the world. The only thing here that needs protection is public access to Oregon’s healthy seafood.

The current proposal for no-take marine reserves affects many Oregonians. It will diminish the supply of locally wild caught seafood. To fulfill demand more imported fish will be required. Much of this fish will be from poorly managed areas of the world. Some will be tainted with unknown contaminants. It will reduce the amount of recreational opportunity available to all. All of Oregon’s seafood is being sustainably harvested as required by law. Oregon’s precautionary fishery management is a world model of success.

This action has nothing to do with conservation of marine resources. It has everything to do with competing philosophies regarding the best public use of Oregon’s ocean. Much of the funding for this agenda is being provided by out of state wealthy special interests.

We need to preserve right of entry to our already well protected ocean. We must not allow an extreme agenda to deny citizens’ access to healthy seafood and recreation.

John Holloway
State Chairman
Recreational Fishing Alliance
Secretary
Oregon Anglers
6823 SW Burlingame Ave
Portland, OR 97219
503-452-7919
__________________
A man's got to believe in something, I believe I'll go fishing.-Thoreau
http://www.rfaoregon.org
http://www.oregon-anglers.org
black magic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2008, 09:26 AM   #12
FinFansea
Chromer
 
FinFansea's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Salem, Or.
Posts: 548
Default Re: Help Save Your Fishing Access

Quote:
Originally Posted by black magic View Post
Letter Sent.



Fishing is Not a Hate Crime





I wish to respond to guest viewpoint entitled “Creating Marine Reserves” by Deborah Brosnan and Brian Tissot, Oregonian August 29, 2008

We can only hope that denial of citizen access to sustainably managed resources never occurs in our ocean. Oregon’s ocean is relatively pristine and untouched when compared to other areas of the world. The only thing here that needs protection is public access to Oregon’s healthy seafood.

The current proposal for no-take marine reserves affects many Oregonians. It will diminish the supply of locally wild caught seafood. To fulfill demand more imported fish will be required. Much of this fish will be from poorly managed areas of the world. Some will be tainted with unknown contaminants. It will reduce the amount of recreational opportunity available to all. All of Oregon’s seafood is being sustainably harvested as required by law. Oregon’s precautionary fishery management is a world model of success.

This action has nothing to do with conservation of marine resources. It has everything to do with competing philosophies regarding the best public use of Oregon’s ocean. Much of the funding for this agenda is being provided by out of state wealthy special interests.

We need to preserve right of entry to our already well protected ocean. We must not allow an extreme agenda to deny citizens’ access to healthy seafood and recreation.

John Holloway
State Chairman
Recreational Fishing Alliance
Secretary
Oregon Anglers
6823 SW Burlingame Ave
Portland, OR 97219
503-452-7919



Tell Denny I said hi the next time you see him.
-Dave Noffsinger
__________________
FinFansea is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2008, 09:52 AM   #13
black magic
Chromer
 
black magic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Portland/Garibaldi
Posts: 801
Default Re: Help Save Your Fishing Access

Will do, Dave
__________________
A man's got to believe in something, I believe I'll go fishing.-Thoreau
http://www.rfaoregon.org
http://www.oregon-anglers.org
black magic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2008, 10:32 AM   #14
Mypursuit
Tuna!
 
Mypursuit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,465
Default Re: Help Save Your Fishing Access

Sent
__________________
As long as we're not breakin' gear or takin' on water, I'm havin' a great time....
Just say NO! to "No fish zones".

Worst case? "It's all about the debris field..."
Mypursuit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2008, 12:39 PM   #15
skein
is on the big blue pond again
 
skein's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Sweet Home
Posts: 8,909
Default Re: Help Save Your Fishing Access

Okay, I don't advocate giving up, but ....

Case in point:

My neice is a senior (this year) at Eastern in La Grande. She came to visit me and was totally convinced Oregon's nearshore was almost a 'dead zone' and that we would be lucky to save ANY of the species there, much less most of them. We needed to act NOW! (By the way, she is a 4.0 student that will probably do her senior year in Europe)

By the time she left, she understood that the real support should go to the marine biologists who were actually making a difference (Patty Burke and Crew), and that many, many of the stocks were either healthy or rebounding nicely.

Unfortunately, I was unable to reach the other 700 or so of her peers that still believe the way she did when she came to visit. They had seen the film and listened to the infomercial. I doubt they will read our rebuttal letters to the editor.

Skein
__________________
...my family, my flag, and my fishin' pole....
skein is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2008, 12:57 PM   #16
black magic
Chromer
 
black magic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Portland/Garibaldi
Posts: 801
Default Re: Help Save Your Fishing Access

Jim,
You could ask to go to her school and give a presentation about the Oregon coast. It would cost much less than the average tuna trip and could be done during the off season. Key West Dean even has pro fisheries brochures he might give you.
__________________
A man's got to believe in something, I believe I'll go fishing.-Thoreau
http://www.rfaoregon.org
http://www.oregon-anglers.org
black magic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2008, 01:51 PM   #17
skein
is on the big blue pond again
 
skein's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Sweet Home
Posts: 8,909
Default Re: Help Save Your Fishing Access

Quote:
You could ask to go to her school and give a presentation about the Oregon coast.
And my credentials are....?

I will ask her school if I can show the counter-point video that is being produced, and if they permit me I will pass out brochures while I'm there.

Skein
__________________
...my family, my flag, and my fishin' pole....
skein is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2008, 02:12 PM   #18
black magic
Chromer
 
black magic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Portland/Garibaldi
Posts: 801
Default Re: Help Save Your Fishing Access

Jim,
Your credentials are substantial. You are a veteran ocean user with many hours of "seat time" actually in the ocean. You know more than most people including many holding Phd credentials about what is reality concerning ocean health. Fishery scientists must use fishermen such as yourself to help ground truth their theories.
__________________
A man's got to believe in something, I believe I'll go fishing.-Thoreau
http://www.rfaoregon.org
http://www.oregon-anglers.org
black magic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2008, 07:01 PM   #19
Nordic Sun
Tuna!
 
Nordic Sun's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Ilwaco, J-37
Posts: 1,899
Default Re: Help Save Your Fishing Access

Quote:
Originally Posted by skein View Post
And my credentials are....?
Jim..........you are an educated, educator, and certified! This has been your calling for all your adult life. Who better to enter a classroom.

Go Jim...........Go Jim..............Go Jim!
Bob
__________________
Do what you can, Where you can, When you can.
Nordic Sun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-30-2008, 07:24 AM   #20
HOGGEMIN
 
HOGGEMIN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Gresham
Posts: 5,034
Default Re: Help Save Your Fishing Access

Jim you would do all of us proud in going to schools and presenting a true conservationist side of the fishing story. I will head up a fund campaign to help with your expenses for your fuel and motel. You have a great ability to speak in a way to present us as Conservationist, not Bubba's
__________________
Owner of HOGG'S Jo/Mar Hardcore Tackle
362 SW OAK ST Hillsboro Oregon
(503) 887-6845 or (971)246-0768

If its not 200lbs just chunk it, member of the 200lb club

Profesional Boat HO

Take your kids hunting or fishing so you don't have to hunt for your kids.

2011 OTC team Kingfisher
2011 2nd place Ilwaco
2011 1st place Garibaldi
2011 series champions
2011 2nd place WTC
HOGGEMIN is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Cast to



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:36 PM.

Terms of Service
Page generated in 0.16271 seconds with 10 queries