Garibaldi Sheriff and Staters

[CATCH AND EAT]

Now that the tourney is over I wanted to voice a concern that I had heard over the radio. Tillamook is known for it's agressive patrols and handy ticket books. Most of the time I appreciate what they do and how they go about doing it. But Saturday once again reinforced why this cat does not visit little Italy very often.

It was witness by folks heading into port that law enforcement was using radar in the no wake zone and writing tickets left and right. This seemed really petty to me when this warning was broadcast on channel 11 that the law would stoop so low when a big event was in town.

Just wondering if anyone recieved a ticket or not or actually saw this. I'm tempted to write enforcement officials to voice my concern over this type of hazing of the public.

[corrirod]

I would only be concerned if they were writing tickets to someone who was not making a wake.

I don't see any reason why tournament goers should be allowed to break the law?

Just because the parade goes by your house doesn't give strangers the right to sit on your fence does it?

[CATCH AND EAT]

Originally Posted by corrirod

I would only be concerned if they were writing tickets to someone who was not making a wake.

I don't see any reason why tournament goers should be allowed to break the law?

Just because the parade goes by your house doesn't give strangers the right to sit on your fence does it?

Just seemed like a tacky move. Not saying it is okay to break the law Rod. Some boats have a very difficult time achieving 3mph due to proping. Yeah, in and out of gear I know. Just a damper deal IMHO which ain't worth anyways.

[SecondSeason]

i used to live on a usaf base. posted limits were the rule not the exception. one mph over and it was a ticket. 3 tickets and you couldn't drive on base rather had to park and walk or get a ride. funny the rest of the US thinks that speed signs are recomendations rather than limits. i have been clipped by the law for speed and well you take your lumps.

i heard lots of grumbling on the radio as well and funny after i mentioned posted speed means that is the speed the radio chatter went dead on that.

[stream]

Some one said they seen them on Sunday but me and a few others where in pretty early and I did not see them so I think it was just a way to keep people slowed down by the locals and it worked I slowed the boat down way be for the first marker just my two cent pleas don't chew me out Rod

[corrirod]

I don't like that speed zone either Bernie but, as it is with most things, because of a couple of nitwits not slowing down when there were commercial boats unloading at those docks, now we all must suffer.

There has been guys hurt and equipment damaged because the boats weren't slowing down there so now we all have to slow down.

[Green Willie]

I have idled in and out of Garibaldi many a time and have been frustrated by the number of boaters that have passed me, plowing and throwing a sizable wake. This past sunday, I watched a large boat, doing at least 15 mph cruising in the no wake zone. I find it irritating, as I believe the limit is there for a reason (protect the docks and vessels) and should be adhered to. I would suspect that the use of radar provides evidence of the vessel speed. Law Enforcement then would not get into the subjective analysis of how much wake was being left, etc. I say, good on them for getting out there, especially with the increased traffic. Hope they are there this weekend, as the "yahoo" crowd will be large this weekend, as opposed to the "professional" crowd present last week. (I do mean that as a compliment to the seasoned Tuna fleet.)

Mike Evans

[CATCH AND EAT]

I suppose my vision of Tillamook and the agressiveness of enforcement plus the unfair way in which I was treated there 9 years ago has tainted my image of the port. Please don't get me wrong. I enjoyed every minute of the OTC and of my stay in Garibaldi. My perception is that things are a bit over the top at times.

9 years ago I was boarded by the coast guard (no problem). boarded by the sheriff and cadet Berry (what a jerk she was), hasseled by the fish checker, again after retrieving my boat I was approached by a different sheriff which I exploded on (very embarrassed now) after he asked to board my boat. Showed him the CG boarding slip which was clean. He said he needed to board the boat and I refused him. He called in his buddy and his buddy told him he needed to back off and let it go since I had the CG slip.

Went over and appologized for my actions and smiled. Said "all I need now is to get a ticket on the way home to portland". Guess what, they got into their patrol car and followed me all the way into Tillamook.

so i have had my fill of law enforcement in tillamook county. Thus my disdain for putting much money or effort into that area.

so saturday hit me kind of funny when this came over the radio that they were using radar and writing tickets. I sure hope that was a hoax because I find zero humor in that kind of activity.

And Treb, whatever brother. Read the sign do as it says yada yada......Thanks for the tutorial

[wthr4d]

I saw the car and was told of the officer with a radar gun but heard nothing of tickets being issued. Maybe that just shows how well behaved and responsible the OTC Salty Dogs can be.

SecondSeason- I think part of the issue with not respecting posted speed comes from the MANY types of speed limit signs. I know Oregon has at least three types and one of them doesnt actually set a maximum speed, it only reccomends a safe speed. Also most officers wont cite you for the "exceeding speed limit" violation because its too hard to defend, what they cite for most often is the "exceeding the safe operating speed" which is a lot more subjective in court.

Paul

[Seelicious]

Tuna Time talked to the folks in charge...they were not after anyone involved in the tourney.

They were gone well before we got back in.

They were simply doing they're job enforcing a rule that people have been ignoring.

[fyshndad]

The weekend of the Charleston OTC I fished Garibald because I did not want to be so far away from the family so soon after Sheila's passing

I have a handicap parking permit
at dawn the lighting is poor at best in the parking area next to the ready area
That morning there was a guy in a safety vest with a flashlight
As I pulled out of the ramp he told me to "park over there" I went to the handicap area and saw a faded out emblem so I parked
When I got back I had a $45 ticket for parking in a spot that was also marked with some faded out letters that did not spell out a word but apprently meant reserved for the sherrif?

I sent a note stating the above to the judge along with the fine and asked for the fine to be reduced or dropped

So far no word back from the court

It was total BS IMHO as the lettering and handicap emblem were so faded you could not really see either one at dawn

[weirdbeard]

One early morning I was met by a Tillamook county Sheriff with a radar gun at the mouth of the Trask river. He said I was doing 8mph in a 5mph zone I was rowing my drift boat (with the tide) No ticket but several other that had no running lights got tickets

[beachboi26]

some of them are just money hungry cops down there

[ron m]

Originally Posted by weirdbeard

One early morning I was met by a Tillamook county Sheriff with a radar gun at the mouth of the Trask river. He said I was doing 8mph in a 5mph zone I was rowing my drift boat (with the tide) No ticket but several other that had no running lights got tickets

Nice story, thanks for the laugh! Imagine going before the judge, "your honor, I was ROWING my boat"! I only wish I could row it fast enough to generate a large wake!"

So, I wonder what the sheriff would do if the tide was running at 9 knots, say you had to row upstream to keep your speed down to 5 knots!

I assume there is a good reason for the no-wake zone, aka 5 mph speed limit. If so, then they may be a bit overzealous about enforcing it, but it is the law. Maybe someone with a lot of influence lives in the area, that would explain it to a cynic like me.
ron m

[CrazyFish]

Originally Posted by Seelicious

Tuna Time talked to the folks in charge...they were not after anyone involved in the tourney.

They were gone well before we got back in.

They were simply doing they're job enforcing a rule that people have been ignoring.

I'll be whitness to that. I sat here at the house listening to the radio during the event and the call going out to the dogs was 2-3 hrs before everyone came in from the event.

[Something Good]

Don't know about this incident but the Tillamook cops are definately ticket happy.

[fishonjon]

Doing a cops job is alot like fishing. some day the bite is good some day the bite is bad. They get to fish every day.

[just ducky]

I too have been harassed many times down at GB. If they think for one minute that you might be doing something wrong they are all over you. At one time they thought I was a charter and man did I get checked out even if I didn't fish. Had battery problems one morning standing at the dock and the officer wanted to see my fishing lic. and salmon tag. How good is that? Part of the problem is that it is a training area for newbies. Way to over zelous. Saw the same officer 5 yrs later and still treated like crap.

[HugeDuckFan]

Fished Hammond last Frdiay. I was amused that the ofofciers walked around the launch area with a ticket book out, and a fresh clean ticket all ready to go. They left us alone...but I'm still glad they're there.

I fished Garibaldi/Tillamook acounty no less than 20 times in the past 12 months. No hassle from cops, the fish checkers, the port, the marina. I ran INTO a boat last year while heading toward the launch, the cop was totally cool about it. I tow my oversize load outside the posted hours, with state and local cops behind me...no tickets.

Want to talk about a real welcome sign...the OSP officers working the Glenn Jackson bridge yesterday, RIGHT at the state line heading into Oregon. Welcome to Oregon!

Glad Dick talked to the CG and Polizei, glad no dogs got pinched, seems like a mountain out of a mole hill..or a keen observation.

[CATCH AND EAT]

Dan, they are afraid of you!


Yeah that fuzz buster deal on the 205 really irks me too. And any photo radar set up at the bottom of a slope or hill sets me off too. Oh well.

Did'nt mean to pick on Garibaldi to much but sometimes these guys are just a bit out of control. Just mY humble opinion and again it ain't worth

[Fish Axe]

Some people do need the ticket but I see it being a revenue thing. The Troopers seem to break the speed laws on the freeways (all the time) and the no wake laws (not very often) and then enforce them with an attitude. I haven't received a ticket for either in a long time but am growing tired of the hypocrisy.

[FinFansea]

Originally Posted by CATCH AND EAT

It was witness by folks heading into port that law enforcement was using radar in the no wake zone and writing tickets left and right.

Police radar on the water? Now I've heard everything I would think wake size would be enough to make the judgement call.

[HugeDuckFan]

Not afraid, they just know me on a first name basis...and my attorney. Haven't had a citation stick since the 1990's. Except for that little incident in Switzerland last year.

Hypocrisy FishAx...when you dial 911 because your neighbor had a heart attack, do you want the ambulance to drive the speed limit and stop at all the lights? When your wife is home alone and there is a group of thugs walking around the house, checking the door looks...do you want police to obey the posted speed limits?

Shall they leaves their guns on the other side of the security checkpoint at the airport?

Cut these guys some slack. They have people asking them to enforce the rules, they are putting themselves in bad situations everyday, they deal with all the losers we actively avoid.

[beachboi26]

if this is the case. I see it strictly as a revenue maker,nothing more, although people shouldnt be speeding right next to the CG station itself

[croation2]

Trying to keep my fingers off the keyboard!

Bernie, I started a thread a while back on being puled over needlessly and learned alot of things from some of my fellow i-fishers. Maybe you could read thru and learn some of the things that I was fortunate enough to pick up!

All policemen/law enforcement officers are very hard working, honest men that have a very hard job with hard to deal with people. Alot of them are x-marines which makes them even more honest than the other honest ones. Anytime they pull you over, or board your boat, you should congratulate them for a job well done, and appreciate the job they are attempting to accomplish. It almost brings a tear to my eye!


http://www.ifish.net/board/showthrea...ght=needlessly

[CATCH AND EAT]

Mike, I am always friendly with them until they try to turn the tables and tell me I did something wrong. Had a very well known experience like this at Bonniville this springer season where I was once again falsely accused. Pretty much ruined the day and my crew and I were in disbelief at the accusation.

Turned out to be mistaken identity and not a first hand account and observation. Passed on information that the officer did not fully read or understand. The incident came to the attention of an ifisher here on the board that was in charge of the officers enforcement at Bonniville. He cleared things up for me and I recieved an appology from the officers involved. My crew also got a call from said ifisher officer and the officers involved with an appology.

I know that they are trying their best to keep the peace, keep poachers off the water and uphold the law. Sometimes they go way over the necessary bounds that they took their oath for.

I have also had good experiences when caught going a little to fast on hwy 30. Got pulled over by a pretty gal state trooper that clocked me doing 74. I admitted it and laughed that I was just singing along with a favorite CD. After a short chat she checked me out over the computer and found out what a bad guy I am and said, "not here to meet a quota, just warning folks to slow it down. Had a fatality here last weekend". Told her I was stuck behind that mess. She waived goodbye and said "do me a favor and slow down a tad will ya?" Yes I will. No ticket, warning or verbal abuse. Very pleasant. I even slowed down and have ever since.

Perhaps it is just my perception of Tillamook county. Then again, seems others have had the same issues. Over zealous or not, glad those folks are out there. Just wish the heavy hand on the ticket books were not so evident.

Hank, you should contest that ticket.

[Hawaiian Time]

Having walked the thin blue line and issued my share of citations, I think some of you are way off line. Every once and a while we get these sort of threads and have everybodly who's ever had a negative interaction with law enforcement jumping in with their negative feelings. Have we considered maybe there might be other factors that have the police enforcing laws in a more rigid manner. Have we considered that they might be responding to the complaints of the community it serves. Example...perhaps maybe some of the moorage customers may be tired of their boats being tossed around by a boat leaving port above the speed limit. Perhaps the roadway where the officer is running radar is one with a high accident rate caused by excessive speed. Come on guys...like someone has already said, give them a break. They are doing there jobs. If you are legit, you got nothing to worry about. You don't like being stopped for speeding, try not speeding. I welcome any enforcement officer on my boat if he wants on. Lots of time, officers reflect your attitude. Think about that the next time you have interaction with law enforcement. And by the way, I am still waiting for my bonus check for all the tickets I have written. HT

[death roe]

tillamooks "motto"
"COME ON VACATION" LEAVE ON PROBATION

[croation2]

Originally Posted by CATCH AND EAT

Mike, I am always friendly with them until they try to turn the tables and tell me I did something wrong. Had a very well known experience like this at Bonniville this springer season where I was once again falsely accused. Pretty much ruined the day and my crew and I were in disbelief at the accusation.

Turned out to be mistaken identity and not a first hand account and observation. Passed on information that the officer did not fully read or understand. The incident came to the attention of an ifisher here on the board that was in charge of the officers enforcement at Bonniville. He cleared things up for me and I recieved an appology from the officers involved. My crew also got a call from said ifisher officer and the officers involved with an appology.

I know that they are trying their best to keep the peace, keep poachers off the water and uphold the law. Sometimes they go way over the necessary bounds that they took their oath for.

I have also had good experiences when caught going a little to fast on hwy 30. Got pulled over by a pretty gal state trooper that clocked me doing 74. I admitted it and laughed that I was just singing along with a favorite CD. After a short chat she checked me out over the computer and found out what a bad guy I am and said, "not here to meet a quota, just warning folks to slow it down. Had a fatality here last weekend". Told her I was stuck behind that mess. She waived goodbye and said "do me a favor and slow down a tad will ya?" Yes I will. No ticket, warning or verbal abuse. Very pleasant. I even slowed down and have ever since.

Perhaps it is just my perception of Tillamook county. Then again, seems others have had the same issues. Over zealous or not, glad those folks are out there. Just wish the heavy hand on the ticket books were not so evident.

Hank, you should contest that ticket.

I'm in total agrement with you Bernie and realize there is a happy medium. I just get a kick out of some of the veiws that law enforcement is always right! Or always wrong!

[Chesapeake]

Originally Posted by CATCH AND EAT

I suppose my vision of Tillamook and the agressiveness of enforcement plus the unfair way in which I was treated there 9 years ago has tainted my image of the port. Please don't get me wrong. I enjoyed every minute of the OTC and of my stay in Garibaldi. My perception is that things are a bit over the top at times.

9 years ago I was boarded by the coast guard (no problem). boarded by the sheriff and cadet Berry (what a jerk she was), hasseled by the fish checker, again after retrieving my boat I was approached by a different sheriff which I exploded on (very embarrassed now) after he asked to board my boat. Showed him the CG boarding slip which was clean. He said he needed to board the boat and I refused him. He called in his buddy and his buddy told him he needed to back off and let it go since I had the CG slip.

Went over and appologized for my actions and smiled. Said "all I need now is to get a ticket on the way home to portland". Guess what, they got into their patrol car and followed me all the way into Tillamook.

so i have had my fill of law enforcement in tillamook county. Thus my disdain for putting much money or effort into that area.

so saturday hit me kind of funny when this came over the radio that they were using radar and writing tickets. I sure hope that was a hoax because I find zero humor in that kind of activity.

And Treb, whatever brother. Read the sign do as it says yada yada......Thanks for the tutorial

This is kind of funny. We went through a very similar thing several years back. We caught some halibut on a inside 40 fathom day out in front of Nehalem. Somebody must of bean watching because the sherif, the fish checker, and fish and game met us at the dock. They ingnored several other boats ariving when we did and made a B line for us. The fish checker asked to see our catch and as soon as the fish box was opened and the halibut seen the sherif laid in with the questions hard. ODFW checked our licenses and they and the fish checker quickly lost interest and moved on. The ODFW guy went back to his car and left. The sherif kept bulldoging us till my Dads uncle got ****** and pretty much told him off. The sherif kept asking over and over where we caught the fish. Never did figure out why the sherif was so interested in our halibut. Maybe we were in his fishing spot??????

Thats the only issue we've ever had in that town.

[Happy to Go]

OK, I have to tell you all a little story. I backed my boat down the launch and boat still on the trailer. I started the motors and let them run for about five minutes. A State officer and a Sheriff approach me and began talking to me... I am the only boat at the launch. they issue me a slurry of tickets. I am a little P.O. at this point, but let them have their fun... Ticked for no boat I.D. #, no life jackets on board, no fishing license, and no working Nav lights. then they tried to hand me the tickets and I refused all of them. They got very P.O.ed at me... told me that I was a danger to even be on the water and they could impound my boat and trailer...and continued to ask what I was even thinking trying to go any where in this boat... Then after about 10minutes of listening to them rant, I asked them if I was aloud to say anything, Finally I had my chance to speak.
I explained to them that I had just replaced the water pump in my lower end and wanted to back it into the water and run it for a bit, to make sure it all worked correctly. I never intended to launch it, Fish or anything else.
I thought they were going to blow a gasket, they continued to tell me that I waisted their time and I was lucky that I wasn't getting a ticket for that.
I explained that if they would have approached me and been cautious they would not of wasted either of our time.

[Mypursuit]

Ok, well, I tried hard not to post on this thread but failed...

...in the 20+ years of fishing out of Garibaldi I have NEVER had even the slightest hint of a difficult exchange with the multitude of TCSO; OSP; ODFW; USF&G; USCG and even the Garibaldi PD when they had 1 full time officer that I have encountered...

During that time I've been 1 life jacket short, 3 miles over the limit, 1 misidentified fish, towed twice and boarded/inspected at sea 3 times...

and, according to some people I'm really not that nice a guy...

I have seen more people than want to admit to it, throwing a wake in the no wake zone, overloaded, drunk, belligerent, drop a boat and trailer down the ramp smashing another boat, sink a pickup (drunk), start a fist fight over where to park etc., etc...

Everyone can make a mistake, (see 1 misidentified fish). But it seems that generally, like attitude is met with like attitude.

[joloni]

So, have none of you guys ever been in small towns before? Tillamook isn't the exception, it's the rule. And belive me, coming from Idaho, you guys have no idea how much worse it could be. Or try having long hair. I've had OSP hike a 1/4 mile down the Trask to check my license and tags, been held up for 1/2 hour while the same OSP ran, and re-ran my SHELLFISH license when me and two of my kids were crabbing down at Sand Lake. Please. Getting pulled over or boarded cause you were speeding? Not much to complain about there.
Oh, and if you think they are targetting out-of-towners in paticular, try driving around in an old beater car, and see how long it takes to get pulled over.

[Sled Dog]

"Lots of time, officers reflect your attitude. " +1

[skein]

Everybody's got a story.

Corrirod and I were fishing out of Newport, up toward Otter Rock and watched as OSP moved from boat to boat checking licenses, etc. Looked like they were being pretty thorough. Finally it was our turn.

They motored up, and there we stood, life jackets on, a hand-held VHF hanging from Rod's belt, and a PLB hanging from mine. They looked at the safety sticker in the boat window, and the boat numbers etc in place. "How you guys doing?" "We just got here," we replied. Well, have a good day. And off they motored.

We chuckled and figured maybe we didn't look like the types to need much questioning.

Skein

[CATCH AND EAT]

Originally Posted by Hawaiian Time

If you are legit, you got nothing to worry about. You don't like being stopped for speeding, try not speeding. I welcome any enforcement officer on my boat if he wants on. Lots of time, officers reflect your attitude. Think about that the next time you have interaction with law enforcement. HT

HT, I don't necessarily agree with the statement "if you are legit, you got nothing to worry about. I have been falsely accused twice. Once it ended poorly and once ended in appoligies from law enforecment the next day. If you are accused you do have something to worry about even if you are completely legit.

Like you I always welcome enforecment on my boat. I never have anything to hide. 99.9 percent of the time it is always a pleasant exchange with "the man".

You are right about attitude. However, that to can sour when false accusations are tossed around. Mine sure did when I was wrongly accused at bonneville. I kept my cool and I was still accused of getting heated. I will tell you that we did our best to keep cool but when continued banter from enforcement happens it is best to step away. Fortunately the operator of the sheriffs boat noted this and moved away to let things cool a little.

So innocent until proven guilty is not always the case IMHO With no disrespect for enforcement. I admire what they do and can tell you that I would not want their job.

[Bait O' Eggs]

Where is Marge when you need her?

For those of you who went before the Judge years ago in Tillamook for a game infraction, know Marge. She hasnt been judge for a long time, but still a legend for using a short rope and tall tree on game offenders.

Nobody and I mean nobody wanted to go before Marge.

We could use some more of her kind for poachers and law breakers.

Radar guns in the no wake zone on OTC day is CS.

[Fish Killer]

Originally Posted by croation2

All policemen/law enforcement officers are very hard working, honest men

That is a bold statement.

After growing up in Tillamook, I could talk about all of the wrong doings the cops did, but I would be here all day.

I think the problem is that there are too many officers in Tillamook. They have the city police, county sherriffs and state officers.

I cringe every time I hear the governor has created a budget for more police.

[croation2]

[quote=Fish Killer;2150830]That is a bold statement.


If I can get some people to believe this, I will also get them to help me clean the Blue Marlin I just caght in Vancouver Lake!

[CATCH AND EAT]

Okay, so the lesson we have all learned from this thread is:

1. Always be polite to enforcement. Attitude matters
2. Remain calm even when wrongly accused.
3. have a large box of Krispy Cream donuts to sway the ticketing officer.
4. Hot coffee helps too.
5. If you are legit you have nothing to worry about.

[croation2]

Originally Posted by CATCH AND EAT

Okay, so the lesson we have all learned from this thread is:

1. Always be polite to enforcement. Attitude matters
2. Remain calm even when wrongly accused.
3. have a large box of Krispy Cream donuts to sway the ticketing officer.
4. Hot coffee helps too.
5. If you are legit you have nothing to worry about.

Well said, I sure hope the wind and swell die down soon!!

[MustangA1X]

[quote=joloni;. Or try having long hair.
Oh, and if you think they are targetting out-of-towners in paticular, try driving around in an old beater car, and see how long it takes to get pulled over.[/quote]
A retired officer once explained to me that if they stop old beater pickups with long hairs driving the chances are good that they will find something else- open container, warrants etc. If they stop new clean rigs the odds of finding a law breaker is much less.

[Hawaiian Time]

Catch and Eat...you may have had a bad experience in the past. It definitely has clouded your attitude toward law enforcement. And by stereotyping all cops as Krispy Kreme donut eating people, it just confirms it. At least find an original slam. HT

[corrirod]

Two words for all who are concerned about law enforcement officers:

RIDE ALONG

Go to your local law enforcement office and ask about going on a ride along. It costs you nothing and they more than welcome you to go. It may vary in your local area but typically you are allowed to go a couple times a year. You could even pick a ride along with your "not so favorite" officer to see what his typical day and attitude is.

If you want to know what goes on in town, go out with a cop or sheriff sometime and live a few hours in their shoes. I promise you'll walk away with a whole new perspective if you don't already know.

There was a point in my life where I thought I might want to be a police officer. After going on a few ride-alongs I quickly realized it was not the field for me. The patience they have is not in my genetics. I could tell that I wouldn't have lasted more than a week on the job before they'd have taken me off the force and thrown me in jail for putting an air hole in someone's cranium. The BS these guys have to put up with is just too much for me.

By the way, for those who find it hard to believe that law enforcement officers don't quickly believe you when you say "I didn't do it", keep in mind the bad guys say the same thing. How would you like to be the officer that let a guy go because he said he hadn't been drinking, only to find a few miles down the road that he had plowed into an oncoming car and killed someone? Wouldn't you want to be sure you weren't letting a drunk go?

When they ask a bunch of questions at the dock it's because they're trying to find someone to "slip up" and spill the beans. That's why they ask everyone on the boat the same question. They're trying to see if ol' Billybob missed the group meeting on the way in that talked about their alibi.

Are there cops out there that have an attitude? You betcha. Are there "Bad" cops out there? You betcha, but they do get weeded out eventually. The general population has bad people in it, why would the police force be any different. You can try to weed them out ahead of time but you can only do so much. Occasionaly a rat will find it's way in.

On the "fuzzy" tickets, perhaps you have a reason to be upset but if the speed limit sign reads 5mph and they clock you over that............YOU screwed up. Take the ticket and kick your own arse for getting it. (by the way, I've had to kick my own arse many times in my life )

[stumpyin08]

I was fishing B10 several years ago with a friend at the beginning of the season. I was with a guide on the Washington side of the river out towards the mouth and caught a 37 lb king. As I tagged the fish, I looked up and found a County Fast Attack Boat (just like the Black Rocket) charging hard for us fifty yards off our stern with three officers on board. The first thing the officer said when they pulled up next to us was "Nice fish, might have to confistate it and take it home for dinner." I replied "Sorry, allready tagged it." I must have ****** them off, because one of the officers boarded the boat and checked both of our licenses and tags. Didn't check the guide's documents though. I don't have a problem with being checked, however, the officers attitude when they pulled up next to us was unnessary. It's a two way street. Doug

[Slobes]

So let me start out by saying that my dad was a cop for years. I grew up around cops. I still know more than a few. I have nothing but respect for the job that they do.

But... my old man also taught me the difference between most staties and the rest of the police world. Staties are there to write tickets, and generally that is most of their job.

I've heard enough stories about staties asking for cops (who they knew on a first name basis) fishing licenses, and another story about one of those licenses conveniently finding its way into the fire as it was being checked to be wary of them.

I don't dislike them, but I don't go lookin to show them my fish either...

-Alex

[Pilar]

A few years ago I missed an ifishstock due to a false DUI arrest by Tillamooks finest.

http://www.ifish.net/board/showpost....84&postcount=1

Even after I blew 0.00 twice they were reluctant to let me go and wrote me up for DUI anyway. I then had to hire a lawyer to take care of it. At my expense. I did nothing wrong other than drive a boat that was the same color as another guys boat who was observed and reported for beating up the woman in his boat. You'll be happy to know that guy is rotting in jail now, good riddance.

I don't know what it is like to be the police but I can tell you that I was not impressed in any way. They questioned me on return to the dock from crabbing. Then they (2 marine deputies, 2 state police and another officer) waited for me to get my rig and trailer the boat. Now having driven a boat under the influence and the truck they arrested me and charged me with BUI and DUI. For those of you that do not realize what that means it doubles the fine to $10,000.

My question is why let me drive? If they were so worried about the BUI and they hassled me to an extraordinary degree about it would I not also be a hazard to drive?

I was hauled off and left my boat, the trailer on the launch and my fishing companion who no idea how to deal with it behind at the ramp. They questioned her extensively about me abusing her. She was a sweet woman and there is no way I would lay a hand on her. I don't know what she said to them but being treated like that ticked her off pretty good. She being smart and able to think on her feet, traded 1/2 our crab to a guy who got the boat on the trailer and the truck off the ramp.

I don't care how hard the job is or how much crap they have to put up with. They aren't putting up with crap from me and no one deserves to be hassled. Projecting hassles from scumbags onto innocent, tax paying citizens is inexcusable. Hassles like this make me leery of GB, Tillamook and Tillamook county. I go there if I must but not if I can avoid it.

Your mileage may vary. I drive 5 under the speed limit and always use my turn signals (which I check everytime I stop) in that area. I don't care to talk to or encounter any of those guys again.

[Gr8waves]

I will put up with the police giving tickets for actual violations, it could be a lot worse:

Back in college my roomate and I drove to Baja over Christmas break a couple of times to camp and surf. Driving north through Tijuana one Christmas eve we are pulled over by a local cop for stopping with the front tires on the stop line - we were one of the few cars that actually stopped. This officer asks if we have any drugs..no sir..are you sure you don't have any drugs...yes sir. At this point he leans in the window and starts rummaging throught the ash tray, then the glove box. Then he changed from asking if we had any drugs to stating that if we have drugs, we should tell because he can help us but they will put the dogs on us down at the station and he cant help us..no sir, no drugs. After a few minutes of this it becomes obvious what he is after, so we ask what the fine is for the traffic violation...100000 pesos down at the station.....no, whats the fine....100000 pesos down at the station....no, whats the fine HERE......fifty bucks or we go to the station for the drug sniffing dog treatment. We paid our "fine", which was three times the down at the station amount, and he suggested we proceed immediately to the border...Feliz Navidad

[Beer Waggin]

Garibaldi / Tillamook is a bad, bad place. Please avoid this area, especially if you're dragging a boat and plan on fishing.

[corrirod]

You read my mind Dave!!!!

And for all those cop fearing folks out there, Newport is a horrible place as well. I've been pulled over there for speeding as well at 3:30am. Those dirty, no good, corrupt son of a guns. I'd stay away from there for sure. I've seen them waiting on the corners for people with Salty Dog stickers on their trucks.

Stay up at the CR. The cops don't hassle anyone and I hear they have plenty of halibut for everyone up there.

[CATCH AND EAT]

Originally Posted by Hawaiian Time

Catch and Eat...you may have had a bad experience in the past. It definitely has clouded your attitude toward law enforcement. And by stereotyping all cops as Krispy Kreme donut eating people, it just confirms it. At least find an original slam. HT

No I did have two bad experiences HT, not may have. Very different IMHO. Clouded my attitude???? Perhaps tainted it a bit toward the questioning authority due to inspection without provocation. Far as stereotyping all cops as Krispy Kreme donut eating People, I have to laugh at you for being a bit touchy on that subject. I'm not the one who intialized that stereotype way back when. It was a joke, not a slam. Are you gonna chastize me about the coffee crack too?

Each profession has their characteristics and characters. Good or bad. Believe me I have heard all the slams against my industry as well. I just don't let the preverbial panties get all bunched up over it.

Tillamook enforcement is what it is. Highly visable, highly agressive and at least twice IMHO overly agressive. Sorry you do not like what you are reading here. I simply wanted to point out that the report Saturday said they were using radar to check speed in the no wake zone. that is simply rediculous IMHO and a low stunt that stinks and gives a blackeye to Tillamook. If there are people throwing a wake in the harbor, ticket them for cryin out loud. Poaching fish? Ticket! Drunk? Ticket and arrest. Whatever.

Like I said and you most likely did not read that 99 percent of the force is fine. Always one or two making life miserable. BTW, did you see the ABC reporter get roughed up by Cigar smoking police in Denver. Tell me that action was necessary. If you think so I have beach property in Arizona to sell ya.

[ron m]

Not many stories here of "I got a ticket and I deserved it".

I think Skein is right about attitude and how prepared we are. I've had several encounters with officers asking to see my license and salmon tag or being checked on the water. No problems in any of those encounters and most of them were with State Police officers.

I got a speeding ticket once in Portland (and yes, I was exceeding the speed limit) and the officer did a double take when he was returning to his car and I asked him "aren't you going to give me a lecture about speeding?" he talked to me a bit more and said he was so used to people being angry and not listening that he had started skipping the lecture on speeding. Understandable, you only beat your head against the wall so many times before you figure out it would be a good idea to stop doing that.

I'm a retired teacher, never even considered being a law enforcement person. I figured it would be a lot like being dean of students, mostly you'd be dealing with the "problem folks". Mostly, not completely. Still not a job I want.
ron m

[Hawaiian Time]

Originally Posted by CATCH AND EAT

No I did have two bad experiences HT, not may have. Very different IMHO. Clouded my attitude???? Perhaps tainted it a bit toward the questioning authority due to inspection without provocation. Far as stereotyping all cops as Krispy Kreme donut eating People, I have to laugh at you for being a bit touchy on that subject. I'm not the one who intialized that stereotype way back when. It was a joke, not a slam. Are you gonna chastize me about the coffee crack too?

Each profession has their characteristics and characters. Good or bad. Believe me I have heard all the slams against my industry as well. I just don't let the preverbial panties get all bunched up over it.

Tillamook enforcement is what it is. Highly visable, highly agressive and at least twice IMHO overly agressive. Sorry you do not like what you are reading here. I simply wanted to point out that the report Saturday said they were using radar to check speed in the no wake zone. that is simply rediculous IMHO and a low stunt that stinks and gives a blackeye to Tillamook. If there are people throwing a wake in the harbor, ticket them for cryin out loud. Poaching fish? Ticket! Drunk? Ticket and arrest. Whatever.

Like I said and you most likely did not read that 99 percent of the force is fine. Always one or two making life miserable. BTW, did you see the ABC reporter get roughed up by Cigar smoking police in Denver. Tell me that action was necessary. If you think so I have beach property in Arizona to sell ya.

From what I gather, 99% of the force is fine as long as it's not you that is being stop. I don't like or dislike what I am reading here, just offering the other perspective to the issue. I hear your side but somehow me thinks there might be another side to the negative contact. Maybe not, but your attitude is what might make me think this. I would imagine that to enforce the 5MPH speed limit, an officer would either have to pace the offender or use a radar gun to establish that the offense has occurred. Being that we are all good citizens when we see law enforcement in the area and would not dare break the law, pacing a boat would not work. Hence, the radar gun is what is being used. Enforcement of this nature is usually in response to a specific complaint. I guess if you had your boat moored in the area, you might not necessarily feel as you do. I don't think that the officer got up in the morning and decided to ruin everybodys day. Did anyone get a ticket? Or were warnings issued? I have not stated or will state that law enforcement officers are perfect. They have bad days and make mistakes just like the rest of us. As far as taking a joke, I love a good joke. But making a joke about a profession after your negative comments might get people thinking that you are being sarcastic and mean. And just because you didn't invent the stereotype doesn't mean you're not using it as a slam. And from my extensive experience, ATTITUTE is usually the biggest factor in the issuance of a citation. Take that advice or not...your choice. HT

[CATCH AND EAT]

I had written something else but I will digest this for a moment. Be right back.

[CATCH AND EAT]

Originally Posted by Hawaiian Time

From what I gather, 99% of the force is fine as long as it's not you that is being stop.

This is not what I said HT. That is your own assumption and may I add it is incorrect. If I am at fault or broke the law I know it and will not banter with authorities. But if I got that 1% enforcement officer that is incorrect in the charges you can bet that I will first gently disagree with them. If they continue I will disagree with them more strongly. If they need to arrest me under false pretenses then we will deal with that in the court of law.

I don't like or dislike what I am reading here, just offering the other perspective to the issue. I hear your side but somehow me thinks there might be another side to the negative contact.

If there were another Side HT I have nothing to hide and no need to sway this boards opinion. Why is my word not enough to believe other than your subscription to there are two sides to every story? Negative contact only came "after" being wrongly accused. AFTER.


Maybe not, but your attitude is what might make me think this.

Already admited to having a suspecious attitude toward Tillamook county enforcement. Does not mean I will greet them upon inspection with spite and poor citizenship now does it? Give me a tad bit of credit if you can find it in your heart. I gave 99% of the force credit.

I would imagine that to enforce the 5MPH speed limit, an officer would either have to pace the offender or use a radar gun to establish that the offense has occurred. Being that we are all good citizens when we see law enforcement in the area and would not dare break the law, pacing a boat would not work. Hence, the radar gun is what is being used. Enforcement of this nature is usually in response to a specific complaint. I guess if you had your boat moored in the area, you might not necessarily feel as you do.

Actually, I had my boat moored there that night and I moore my boat in Ilwaco. I have been known to yell at folks to slow down in Ilwaco and have had the high sign given right back. Me thinks me knows da rules.


I don't think that the officer got up in the morning and decided to ruin everybodys day.

Did you know his wife? Family issues? Perhaps he had no coffee... We don't know his frame of mind when he got up or what chuckleheads he met at the ramp that morning or if his boss was on his tail. Officers have variables too.

Did anyone get a ticket? Or were warnings issued?

Well, this is what I was trying to find out via this post HT. Did anyone get a ticket? Or was this just a hoax by a radio jockey to get folks to slow down. Perhaps the later of the two is apparently becoming true at this point. Who knows for sure? All I know is they were not there when I arrived or at least I could not see them.


I have not stated or will state that law enforcement officers are perfect.

Thank you. And may I add anglers and boaters alike are not perfect by any strech of the imagination.

They have bad days and make mistakes just like the rest of us.

We agree.


As far as taking a joke, I love a good joke. But making a joke about a profession after your negative comments might get people thinking that you are being sarcastic and mean.

Okay, I am sarcastic and mean spirited and don't deserve the ifish wonder boy of the year. Anyone here is a proctologist. OUCH! A lawyer? Bodyshop owner? People will think of me as they will HT. They either like me or they hate me. This is just the internet my friend. Many of us are very different and communicate differently in person. I think a 99% respect rating is darn good.

And just because you didn't invent the stereotype doesn't mean you're not using it as a slam.

the donuts and coffee at the garibaldi bakery are excellent HT.

And from my extensive experience, ATTITUTE is usually the biggest factor in the issuance of a citation.

You are absolutely correct HT. Maintaining a good attitude, especially when you have broken the law makes a lot of difference ticket or not. I don't believe officers get their jollies writing tickets all the time. However I am sure there are those times when enforcement walks away and shakes their heads thinking I should have written two tickets.

Take that advice or not...your choice. HT

Honestly I am not sure why you chose to lamblast me here. We have now made a mountain out of a mole hill so to speak. If what did or did'nt occur on saturday was reality or not MY opinion was that it was a cheap unneeded posture that had been taken. In my opinion it would have been tacky and most unwelcoming to GB and again a tarnish on a great little fishing village. I like the port and the people there. Had some great times there 99% of the time. Your advice is noted and carefully considered. Perhaps enforcement will also put on a smiling face and be more cordial when approaching fisherman and inspecting boats and catchs.

I will continue to ALWAYS be friendly to enforcement no matter where I fish. But please don't ask me to turn the other cheek when wrongly accused. Not gonna happen and I will defend my honor on the water and in court if necessary.

HT thanks for your imput.

[On a mission]

Great High Road CE. Good Job!

[Mypursuit]

Wish I could get out to catch ANY fish that could be inspected by anyone!

This thread reads like it should be written in February when we are all going stir crazy....

[Stowaway]

Originally Posted by Hawaiian Time

And by the way, I am still waiting for my bonus check for all the tickets I have written.

I've seen many boats in TB that ignore the 5mph posted.

I've recieved one ticket in my driving career and deserved every bit of it!

I've never worried when driving since I'm 100% legit......so I thought until reading that statement. It's amazing what people will do for money these days. I wonder if more tickets are written in the last 3 months of the year just so they can get their bonuses. It's scary to even think of! I wonder if I'd do the same if I was in there shoes.

I still THANK YOU for protecting me from the bad guys!

[Hawaiian Time]

Well Catch and Eat...you put your strong opinion out there so when you do so, is it okay to disagree? Nothing wrong with disagreeing in a respectful manner as we have. Nothing personal, just another perspective. HT

[CATCH AND EAT]

Originally Posted by Hawaiian Time

Well Catch and Eat...you put your strong opinion out there so when you do so, is it okay to disagree? Nothing wrong with disagreeing in a respectful manner as we have. Nothing personal, just another perspective. HT

Heck HT, I dont' expect people to agree with me. Just hope they can see my side of things once in awhile.

Good fishing to ya and I'll maybe see ya in T-bay this fall sometime in October and November. I'll have the tinfoil hat on. lol