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Old 08-20-2008, 08:37 PM   #1
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When stopping to get more fossil fuel for my gas guzzler I always ask to “fill it up please”. The petroleum products dispensing specialist always asks after the dispensing unit stops “do you want me to top it off”? So my question is what should I be asking? Please fill it up to the tippy top? Or please fill it to the brim? Now this may be a hangover culture from the days you paid in hard metal & paper currency and was a way to even out monies to paper currency only? These days most, if not all, but most consumers pay via an electronic cash transferring device that debits you funding account and credits the balance due for goods and services. So perhaps I am missing something and there is some reason not to top-off? What is the downside of topping off? Why should I consider not topping-off? I am starting to get ticked-off.
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Old 08-20-2008, 08:52 PM   #2
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when you have your fuel tank topped off, the fuel that burps back up goes into a overflow tube that leads to the charcoal canister. this canister is part of your emissions system and when full can and will create a check engine light.
the only way to fix it is to replace the canister at a significant cost to you

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Old 08-20-2008, 08:57 PM   #3
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when you have your fuel tank topped off, the fuel that burps back up goes into a overflow tube that leads to the charcoal canister. this canister is part of your emissions system and when full can and will create a check engine light.
the only way to fix it is to replace the canister at a significant cost to you

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Brian,

Well described. So does this can drain on its own back into the fuel system and is a safety thingy that fills & drains over and over or just fills?
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Old 08-20-2008, 10:06 PM   #4
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I use to have them top it off..... Until my mechanic told me this can cause problems.

I just ask them to fill it up. Some stop and hang up the nozzel when it shuts off. Other will round the price to the dollar.

So for your poll my vote would be -
"No" I don't have it topped off.
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Old 08-20-2008, 10:31 PM   #5
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I used to drive a wildland fire rig that would stop the fuel pump when you could still put 8 to 9 gallons in the tank (which was between a third and a fourth of the tank capacity). We used to top it off all the time as you always wanted a full tank of fuel when you went on a run.

However, now it seems "topping it off" means "take it up to some even number" without checking to see if the tank is really full or not. In my experience that number is usually pretty close to where the pump first clicks off. I usually tell them to do it and don't worry about the small additional amount of gas I get.

Now that I know about the canister issue I'll have to be more careful.
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Old 08-20-2008, 11:27 PM   #6
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Seems like a design flaw. Why can't the boys in Detroit come up with something that I can't screw up? You know, idiot proof?

Now I know why my check engine (idiot) light is on.

I guess I won't be topping it off any longer.
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Old 08-21-2008, 07:24 AM   #7
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Diesel foams a lot so I top off if I know I'm driving a ways.

Did you know the law in Oregon about pumping your own fuel only applies to gasoline. Legal to pump your own diesel.
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Old 08-21-2008, 09:59 AM   #8
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Did you know the law in Oregon about pumping your own fuel only applies to gasoline. Legal to pump your own diesel.
I did actually know that, but I think 90% of petroleum distribution technician specialists don't. A lot of them look at me like I'm some kind of crazy person when I start pumping myself. I prefer to pump my own; I've been known to get slightly impatient at times.
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Old 08-21-2008, 10:16 AM   #9
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Diesel foams a lot so I top off if I know I'm driving a ways.

Did you know the law in Oregon about pumping your own fuel only applies to gasoline. Legal to pump your own diesel.
yea, I knew that...almost makes me want a diesel...I'd much rather pump my own gas.

and my vote for the poll would be "nope, I don't top off" I just don't see any reason to. You're still going to use the same amount of fuel no matter what. The pumps stop at a pre-determined time for a reason. I think a little air space in your tank is a good thing.

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Old 08-21-2008, 10:46 AM   #10
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I did actually know that, but I think 90% of petroleum distribution technician specialists don't. A lot of them look at me like I'm some kind of crazy person when I start pumping myself. I prefer to pump my own; I've been known to get slightly impatient at times.

Yeah, but how many times have the attendant at the pump got irate with you while you were pumping your own fuel?
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Old 08-21-2008, 12:37 PM   #11
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Yeah, but how many times have the attendant at the pump got irate with you while you were pumping your own fuel?
They shouldn't get irate. You broke the law, not them. They shouldn't care less. If an officer was to cite the issue, they would ticket you, not the attendent.


I have them round up to the dollar, because it's just easier for me to remember when I finally log it into my book.

Really, the reality of rounding to the dollar equates into a cup of gas in many situations....at least at the price were paying. I don't have them stuff my tank for all the above reasons already mentioned, but rounding up to the dollar is probably not an issue in most cases.

I would love to see self-serve in this state, anyone want to start a petition?
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Old 08-21-2008, 08:20 PM   #12
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Its called government subsidized workfare. I dont know why any of you put up with it.
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Old 08-21-2008, 09:20 PM   #13
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They shouldn't get irate. You broke the law, not them.
The station pays the fine, and the attendant can get fired. It's been a long time since I pumped gas, but we got in big trouble if we let customers pump the gas. So why shouldn't they be angry at a jerk customer?
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Old 08-21-2008, 09:36 PM   #14
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It's been a long time since I pumped gas, but we got in big trouble if we let customers pump the gas.
Back then, they were still milking the dinosaurs for it.
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Old 08-22-2008, 10:43 AM   #15
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I tell them to 'round up', what ever that is, and tell them to stop the next time the nozzle trips out.
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Old 08-24-2008, 03:46 PM   #16
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I top off, Oregon pump workers do not know what it means.
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Old 08-24-2008, 04:39 PM   #17
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Has anyone personally ever seen "the gas pump police" that would write me a ticket if I touched the pump. I am pretty sure all of our LEO personell have better ways to spend their time. I hear about them all the time from the pump jockeys but have yet to ever see one myself or hear a first hand story of one writing a ticket to the station, pump jockey, or customer. Sooo do they exist or not???
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Old 08-24-2008, 05:11 PM   #18
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I do in my D pu. Darn thing holds another gallon +.
That's another 17 miles...........
My Honda maybe, it's never cause a problem @ 170,000!
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Old 08-24-2008, 06:33 PM   #19
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When asked if I want it topped off I tell them no thanks, I know where to get more.
According to the EPA topping off your gas tank is bad for the environment and your wallet.

Here is why; http://www.epa.gov/donttopoff/

The United States Environmental Protection Agency classifies benzene as a Class A carcinogen and has concluded that Oregon’s cancer risk “is dominated by the emissions of benzene.”
Oregon Benzene Reduction Campaign; http://www.oregontoxics.org/benzene/benzene.html
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Old 08-25-2008, 05:30 AM   #20
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Here is a funny rant regarding our law.

Click on this link:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/englund/englund33.html
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Old 08-25-2008, 09:56 AM   #21
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The station pays the fine, and the attendant can get fired. It's been a long time since I pumped gas, but we got in big trouble if we let customers pump the gas. So why shouldn't they be angry at a jerk customer?
So, if I get out and pump my own gas before they can stop me the station gets the cival penalty?

I can't find this in print stating one way or the other. All I can pull up is the ORS code and it really doesn't define this.

480.315 Policy. The Legislative Assembly declares that, except as provided in ORS 480.345 to 480.385, it is in the public interest to maintain a prohibition on the self-service dispensing of Class 1 flammable liquids at retail. The Legislative Assembly finds and declares that:
(1) The dispensing of Class 1 flammable liquids by dispensers properly trained in appropriate safety procedures reduces fire hazards directly associated with the dispensing of Class 1 flammable liquids;
(2) Appropriate safety standards often are unenforceable at retail self-service stations in other states because cashiers are often unable to maintain a clear view of and give undivided attention to the dispensing of Class 1 flammable liquids by customers;
(3) Higher liability insurance rates charged to retail self-service stations reflect the dangers posed to customers when they leave their vehicles to dispense Class 1 flammable liquids, such as the increased risk of crime and the increased risk of personal injury resulting from slipping on slick surfaces;
(4) The dangers of crime and slick surfaces described in subsection (3) of this section are enhanced because Oregon’s weather is uniquely adverse, causing wet pavement and reduced visibility;
(5) The dangers described in subsection (3) of this section are heightened when the customer is a senior citizen or has a disability, especially if the customer uses a mobility aid, such as a wheelchair, walker, cane or crutches;
(6) Attempts by other states to require the providing of aid to senior citizens and persons with disabilities in the self-service dispensing of Class 1 flammable liquids at retail have failed, and therefore, senior citizens and persons with disabilities must pay the higher costs of full service;
(7) Exposure to toxic fumes represents a health hazard to customers dispensing Class 1 flammable liquids;
(8) The hazard described in subsection (7) of this section is heightened when the customer is pregnant;
(9) The exposure to Class 1 flammable liquids through dispensing should, in general, be limited to as few individuals as possible, such as gasoline station owners and their employees or other trained and certified dispensers;
(10) The typical practice of charging significantly higher prices for full-service fuel dispensing in states where self-service is permitted at retail:
(a) Discriminates against customers with lower incomes, who are under greater economic pressure to subject themselves to the inconvenience and hazards of self-service;
(b) Discriminates against customers who are elderly or have disabilities who are unable to serve themselves and so must pay the significantly higher prices; and
(c) Increases self-service dispensing and thereby decreases maintenance checks by attendants, which results in neglect of maintenance, endangering both the customer and other motorists and resulting in unnecessary and costly repairs;
(11) The increased use of self-service at retail in other states has contributed to diminishing the availability of automotive repair facilities at gasoline stations;
(12) Self-service dispensing at retail in other states does not provide a sustained reduction in fuel prices charged to customers;
(13) A general prohibition of self-service dispensing of Class 1 flammable liquids by the general public promotes public welfare by providing increased safety and convenience without causing economic harm to the public in general;
(14) Self-service dispensing at retail contributes to unemployment, particularly among young people;
(15) Self-service dispensing at retail presents a health hazard and unreasonable discomfort to persons with disabilities, elderly persons, small children and those susceptible to respiratory diseases;
(16) The federal Americans with Disabilities Act, Public Law 101-336, requires that equal access be provided to persons with disabilities at retail gasoline stations; and
(17) Small children left unattended when customers leave to make payment at retail self-service stations creates a dangerous situation. [1991 c.863 §49a; 1999 c.59 §160; 2007 c.70 §276]

480.385 Civil penalty for gasoline dispensing law violations. (1) The State Fire Marshal may impose a civil penalty not to exceed $500 for each violation of any provision of ORS 480.315 to 480.385 or of any applicable rule adopted by the State Fire Marshal.
(2) A civil penalty imposed under this section shall become due and payable 10 days after the order imposing the civil penalty becomes final by operation of law or on appeal. A person against whom a civil penalty is to be imposed shall be served with a notice in the form provided in ORS 183.415. Service of the notice shall be accomplished in the manner provided by ORS 183.415.
(3) The person to whom the notice is addressed shall have 20 days from the date of service of the notice provided for in subsection (2) of this section in which to make written application for a hearing. If no application for a hearing is made, the State Fire Marshal may make a final order imposing the penalty.
(4) Any person who makes application as provided for in subsection (3) of this section shall be entitled to a hearing. The hearing shall be conducted as a contested case hearing pursuant to the applicable provisions of ORS 183.413 to 183.470.
(5) Judicial review of an order made after a hearing under subsection (4) of this section shall be as provided in ORS 183.480 to 183.497 for judicial review of contested cases.
(6) When an order assessing a civil penalty under this section becomes final by operation of law or on appeal, and the amount of penalty is not paid within 10 days after the order becomes final, the order may be recorded with the county clerk in any county of this state. The clerk shall thereupon record the name of the person incurring the penalty and the amount of the penalty in the County Clerk Lien Record.
(7) All amounts recovered under this section shall be deposited with the State Treasurer and shall be placed in the State Fire Marshal Fund. [1991 c.863 §55]


Here is the link on all the ORS numbers related to this.
http://www.leg.state.or.us/ors/480.html
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Old 08-25-2008, 06:24 PM   #22
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Those are the regulations for gasoline dispensing. motoxaaron03 was talking about diesel fuel, which is not gasoline, and not a class 1 flammable liquid so it should not fall under same rules as gasoline.

When I drove a diesel I loved the look on peoples face when I would jump out and start pumping my own. Got screamed at a few times by attendants. I miss pumping my own fuel...



837-020-0035
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For purposes of ORS 480.310 to 480.385 and OAR 837-020-0025 through 837-020-0125 only, the following definitions apply:
(1) “Business Use” means that all Class 1 flammable liquids dispensed into motor vehicles and containers must be used only in the course of business activities.
(2) “Class 1 Flammable Liquid” means any liquid with a flash point below 25 degrees Fahrenheit, closed cup tester. Note: Diesel fuel is not a Class 1 flammable liquid.

http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/rules/..._bulletin.html
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