Virtual fishing with Adobe Wall

adobe wall · 08-18-2008, 07:54 PM

Can't resist offering up a teaser. I've (finally) got the video where I can edit it and have made the first clip. It's going to youtube or imagestation first. Should have something up tonight.

stay tuned....

(well that didn't take long)

First cut is nothing spectacular, it's the first fish that came in. I'm just glad I can start sharing this stuff. At least it works. I'll start cutting out the rest of the good stuff tonight. This should get the kokeheads a fix for a few days...

http://s273.photobucket.com/albums/j...t=testcut3.flv

Merwin, last weekend. 50ish feet down, 4 feet aft of the camera. Stuff that is 6 feet back gets small in a hurry so the fish are close to the lure/camera when you can see them. Dodger to wedding ring leader length was the length of three dodgers (about 9" I reckon). Green wedding ring.

regards, aw

copying all video clips onto this post, plus will add them into the thread. Trying to keep it simple. Look at the file name to see if you've seen it before.
http://s273.photobucket.com/albums/j...t=testcut5.flv (clip 2) (best one of the bunch)
http://s273.photobucket.com/albums/j...t=testcut8.flv (clip 3)
http://s273.photobucket.com/albums/j...t=merwin9b.flv (clip 4)

ElkTalker · 08-18-2008, 08:16 PM

That was just enough to make me wish I had some more.

ET

adobe wall · 08-18-2008, 08:26 PM

just wait about 10 minutes

adobe wall · 08-18-2008, 08:36 PM

second clip. First clip was after 6 minutes of having the camera in the water. This video is from the 12 to 15 minute mark.

First three (actually 4, there's a strike right at the start of the video at the bottom of the screen) strikes showed absolutely nothing on the rod tip. Note how the plain corn glows in the UV spectrum lighting given off by the camera. You can see the blade and a bright blob behind it, that's the bait. Note even after those first three strikes the corn is still there. When the fish hooks up, check out the gyrations going on- the rod tip was definitely thumping then.

Lots of fish here, and on the wide beam fishfinder it was obvious I was in a good school- arches everywhere. There is a lot more footage but I have to watch and mark down the time stamp to edit it.

Fun stuff. After the carnage last weekend at Bouy 10 I'm thinking of taking the cam down there this weekend.

Almost forgot, here's the clip:
http://s273.photobucket.com/albums/j...t=testcut5.flv

And yeah, I was yelling at the tv watching this right up until I hooked the fish.

regards, aw

ElkTalker · 08-18-2008, 09:00 PM

I love it!! keep them coming.
I think it would be hard to watch while I was fishing, I would be yelling at the TV and not watching the other rods.

Thanks ET

SansooShooter · 08-18-2008, 09:24 PM

That was just awesome I jumped up hit my head on the monitor screaming at those fish to "Smell it... Smell it" "Take it ... Take it"

FishRCutBait · 08-18-2008, 09:28 PM

AW,

That is simply great stuff. I have been reading your posts on the Merwin thread and being able to finally see what you have been seeing is very cool!

It was interesting to see that when there was a single fish in the first video, it was very timid around the lure, but when there were several fish, and some competition among them they became much more aggressive with some of the bigger fish chasing others away and then finally attacking the lure.

They sure do not go after the lure due to hunger so it seems almost like a territorial or competitive strike.

Thanks for sharing!

GraphiteZen · 08-18-2008, 09:32 PM

If I had a camera and had to sit and watch that many fish run up just to check out my bait but not take it I would go out of my mind... I would much rather think not one fish even looked at my bait if I didn't hook up... Great stuff haha

joemomma · 08-18-2008, 10:39 PM

That was crazy! Man there were some big bucks checking it out! Yes keep them coming!

dlm · 08-19-2008, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GraphiteZen

If I had a camera and had to sit and watch that many fish run up just to check out my bait but not take it I would go out of my mind... I would much rather think not one fish even looked at my bait if I didn't hook up... Great stuff haha

My heart could not take it, nor could my wifes ears with the language that would surely be coming out of my mounth

These videos are great.

I don't know what the light source is but it does not seem to have any affect on the fish, I would think it would.

moknots · 08-19-2008, 06:37 AM

Awesome! Thank you!!

Anyone else messing with video? FRG got a camera this spring, Brian, whatcha got? I bet Crescent would be a great lake to given the big fish and clear water.

dlm · 08-19-2008, 06:37 AM

I notice a bunch of the fish were coming down on the lure from above. I thought fish fed up and would come from beneath. Had these fish came from below, got interested then hung out above the lure??? Also notice several come directly from behind.

Loner · 08-19-2008, 08:27 AM

Nice work, it is great to watch ho they respond. Thanks for the share. Now I am only thinking why am I at work, I should be fishing right now.

VanDaddy · 08-19-2008, 12:37 PM

AW; I'm glad I saw it here for free before you charge 24.95 for the Underwater Kokanee 101 DVD.

Splash · 08-19-2008, 01:59 PM

P-ride · 08-19-2008, 02:44 PM

That is the best video I've seen in a long time. I can't wait for the next clips.

Thanks for sharing Bob...err Dave

When do we leave for B-10?!?

adobe wall · 08-19-2008, 03:35 PM

There is a lot more fish on the video but that second clip is by far the best stuff going. I'll put up some more though.

There was a full half hour of "headaches" in the footage too- where the gear/cables/etc just wouldn't orient right. When the gear was in the water the longest stretch without a fish was 9 minutes. The other trips with the camera have yielded similar results (I think 15 minutes was the max on another video).

There's a lot more to learn but the biggest thing, at least on Merwin, is that if you are in any of the known koke hangouts and have your depth anywhere near correct you are getting checked out by the fish. The filming will definitely have me changing colors on the lure more often.

The other thing that really stands out is that schools are much, much better than single fish. No surprise there.

The light on the cam is an invisible spectrum light so I don't think it effects the fish one way or another- that is one of the reason's why I've questioned UV coatings on lures. If it glows in a spectrum the fish can't see, then is it really helping (or maybe the fish can see the cam light, humans can't). That light really makes the corn glow though.

I'll work on getting some footage with hoochies so we can see what they're doing from a fish's viewpoint.

There is also some footage that indicates the kokes are keying on the bait and nibbling at it but in such a gentle way that it's like they're tasting it or something. That may explain some of the stinky corn success.

Think about it though- a fish every 10 minutes is checking out your gear! To me that says trust your electronics and stay with depth, if you aren't getting hits work on lure color and (maybe) bait.

I'd surely love to be able to film in color with a Walker strike cam, I think that would be something we could get a lot of education from.

regards, aw

lilbuddy · 08-19-2008, 04:13 PM

Sweet. I made pay money for the home addition!

yankemnbankem · 08-19-2008, 04:25 PM

Adobe....... You ever see Walter hangin by your camera yet? I think that would be the biggest torture to see a much bigger kokanee checking out my lure wondering if he will bite.

Salmonslayer2 · 08-19-2008, 04:28 PM

That was Great. We need one for Green Peter. I'm Taking donations To a good Cause. I will share information.
Larry

joemomma · 08-19-2008, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Salmonslayer2

That was Great. We need one for Green Peter. I'm Taking donations To a good Cause. I will share information.
Larry

Good idea! Or we can have The now very famous AW, test drive all our homemade spinners, tubes and hootchies for us for a nominal fee

of course he will have to quit his day job!

twisted lines · 08-19-2008, 05:33 PM

I see it now, just like cell phone's and cars! NO Fish cams in boats cause too many accidents..... That is too cool but I don't think my Heart could take it so keep posting, and try silver blades so we can see more hook up's!!!!!!

adobe wall · 08-19-2008, 06:03 PM

Crazy fish.

http://s273.photobucket.com/albums/j...t=testcut8.flv

What koke tactic did I try on this fish?

regards, aw

SilverBullets · 08-19-2008, 06:09 PM

Kokanee TV... It doesn't get any better than that! Thankyou so much for taking the time to share with us! That was great when you got the hook up and all that was left was your empty release clip. I had no idea things were so active down there. While out on the water, do you watch your pole or the video screen to know when a fish is on? Do you think the light from the camera attracts them at all? I can see it now..."Kokanee Gone Wild", now on DVD!

Thanks again.

adobe wall · 08-19-2008, 06:18 PM

Definitely watch the TV when it's running. Due to sun glare and the need to drive the boat I see less than 1/2 the fish on the water that can be spotted at home watching the video on the computer.

The video on the screen, and here on my computer, is about 2x the size y'all can see and better resolution. It's still basic black and white though.

Glad y'all enjoy it.

regards, aw

BleuBackKoke · 08-19-2008, 06:39 PM

All I can say is .....WOW!!! Great post!!!!

Thanks for sharing!

twisted lines · 08-19-2008, 06:40 PM

http://s273.photobucket.com/albums/j...t=testcut8.flv

What koke tactic did I try on this fish?

1.2 MPH, camera on the ball, realease 3' up, brass blade, anchovy scent, Im having a hard time with the camera model thought? Try silver blades....

adobe wall · 08-19-2008, 06:49 PM

C'mon, y'all can figure it out. There is something that happened on this clip that we talk about all the time...

P-ride · 08-19-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by adobe wall

C'mon, y'all can figure it out. There is something that happened on this clip that we talk about all the time...

Did you adjust the depth of your gear when you saw where the fish were at on the depthfinder?

adobe wall · 08-19-2008, 09:39 PM

Sorta. I dropped the kicker into neutral and let the lure fall- and the fish came right back but I never got a hookup out of it. I was watching the fish and saw the first short strike and decided to get a bit proactive with the fishing.

Notice all the nibbles and short strikes on the last two clips? We gotta figure out a way to increase that slugging percentage. Maybe some of that funny corn you use.

regards, aw

P-ride · 08-19-2008, 10:25 PM

Do I win a fishing trip?

I'd love to experiment with ways to hook up on those short strikes, but it could possibly just end up making us go crazy...I think the fish just like doing that, but I'm willing to try!

fishcrazy123 · 08-19-2008, 11:23 PM

it wont work for me...it keeps saying photo bucket site maintenance

adobe wall · 08-20-2008, 05:29 AM

Photobucket occasionally takes the site down in the middle of the night, it's up now and working.

I ran the computer all night on the footage I made with p-ride so I should be able to put up more clips.

regards, aw

byebyeducky · 08-20-2008, 11:00 AM

sweet videos! I just read the whole thread, and after I saw the first video, my first thought was "drop the lure!" Had to laugh when I saw that is exactly what you ended up doing. I also did not know there was that much action going on down there! I would be trying all sorts of stuff to see if I could get more hits!

FallRiverGuy · 08-20-2008, 12:19 PM

Adobe wall,

Thanks for sharing those. They are priceless. I think the videos shows why changing speed works so well for inducing strikes. Troll like a drunk should be our mantra.

It sure seemed to me that most of the fish came down to the lure not up. Trolling below the fish may be worth trying. I also wonder now about flashers. The fish seemed more aggressive when there was more than one. Could it be be that flashers mimic other fish and cause more aggressive behavior? I have wondered about finding my corn missing from my lure with no evidence of a strike. I now think the corn was hen pecked off.

Good luck with your future videos.

adobe wall · 08-20-2008, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FallRiverGuy

Adobe wall,

Thanks for sharing those. They are priceless. I think the videos shows why changing speed works so well for inducing strikes. Troll like a drunk should be our mantra.

It sure seemed to me that most of the fish came down to the lure not up. Trolling below the fish may be worth trying. I also wonder now about flashers. The fish seemed more aggressive when there was more than one. Could it be be that flashers mimic other fish and cause more aggressive behavior? I have wondered about finding my corn missing from my lure with no evidence of a strike. I now think the corn was hen pecked off.

Good luck with your future videos.

FRG, all three clips came from the same session with the same gear- just one dodger and a short leader. I have another film I made with P-Ride using ford fenders, 30" leader, and a green wedding ring. Lots of uninterested drive by's. Different situation though as we were fishing at 32 feet instead of 50. Still fish in the cam every few minutes but they were mostly just blowing by- although there was still a short strike that didn't stick. I watched an hour of that footage tonight but haven't watched the back half yet. I remember there being more action towards the end.

Got a care package from elktalker with some fishy looking spinners. I'm thinking I may haul the boat to Merwin tomorrow and give them a try.

There's another iFisher who took a camera to Bonneville after summer steelies and fished a few hours with no hits. Moved the cam and saw fish going by so they chocked the boat over ten feet and caught fish. Similar rig to what I use except they're using a planer and cannonball weights to keep the camera under the boat. I will likely try that approach tomorrow. Using the camera on a downrigger works but it's aggravating.

regards, aw

yankemnbankem · 08-23-2008, 07:35 AM

Hey Adobe, We were up at Merwin thursday and we tried out the fish cam......... pretty wild watching a fish get caught on your own rig and then finally the lightbulb goes off and you remember it's your rod, look up and rod bobbing...... we had to shut the camera off and go back to fishing. Limited 3 people and used all kinds of tricks to keep the fish guessing. Nice nice fish this year.

adobe wall · 08-24-2008, 06:12 AM

Did you see anything unusual on your camera? Pretty cool isn't it.

adobe wall · 08-24-2008, 08:44 AM

Here's another clip. Nothing spectacular but it shows how the camera has changed my fishing- and a pretty ironic mistake as a result.

I'm pulling one of elktalkers spinners here and get a good close look by a koke. Same thing I got most of the evening until the bite turned on. Fishing behind a gold dodger at 1.2 mph

So I see this koke come in and go out after a couple of looks. I get agressive with the boat handling- slow down, speed up, then kill the throttle. I power the boat back up, run it for a second, and think to myself that I need to change lures.

You'll see the lure get yanked up (by me) as a koke is bearing down on it! Doh!

http://s273.photobucket.com/albums/j...t=merwin9b.flv

HiTechKoke · 08-24-2008, 09:21 AM

Hey Adobe - great Videos - You are having as much fun as I have with my Walker Strikevision as the videos are really similar. I have a few up on Youtube currently and have hours and hours of video still to be processed with a bunch of strike footage which is really fun to see. It takes a lot of time and right now I've been using Quicktime Pro to do quick edits to slice together the best clips. The web services do degrade the quality from the original though but Youtube has an option to watch in higher quality on the ones I've uploaded that helps a bit.

That video from Merwin and multiple Kokes was really good as I have made the same observations in that:

* Multiple Kokes eyeing a lure get aggressive
* Fish can come down from above as well more than you think
* Most importantly there are fish stalking your lures more than you really know and the videos proves this out really well.
* Kokanee don't always show on the fishfinder... similar to Kings...guessing it depends on the state of their air bladder or maybe some other factors.

In the end there is a lot of good things to learn about Kokanee from the videos but getting them to bite is another story altogether. My kids keep me informed about fish on the monitor but for the most part I don't have as much time to constantly view so I pick up the moments after the trip. We have had some fun "get ready for the strike" moments when the fish were aggressive.

Kevin

adobe wall · 08-24-2008, 09:44 AM

What kind of fishfinder do you use? Narrow beam fishfinders, by nature, miss a lot of fish. That's what most have on their boat.

Wide beam fishfinders like the one on my boat don't miss many, if any, kokes. I can see the ball and the dodger on my fishfinder on the wide beam screen. I see most fish that hit the lure if I fish close to the downrigger ball.

The problem with wide angle transducer fishfinders is that they show the fish being deeper than they really are. I think that is one (of several) reasons for people thinking they need to have their lure higher than the fish. The wide angle shows the line of sight distance from transducer to fish, not actual depth. So if you have a wide angle (60 degree cone or some even wider) the fish could be 30 degrees out from the transducer. Sorta like fishing with 28 feet of line out during springer season- you aren't fishing 28 feet deep due to line angle. Interestingly, if I use the rod holder right above the transducer the wide angle will show the depth as almost the same is on my line counter.

The other reason I think for people thinking they need to fish above the fish is due to lure drop.

I use the narrow beam on my fishfinder to establish fishing depth, use the wide beam to verify presence of fish. I have been pleasantly surprised with the camera that it has validated the performance of my depthfinder.

regards, aw

HiTechKoke · 08-24-2008, 10:27 AM

I use the Lowrance 26C but it is the narrower 20 degree beam. I'm dialed in to see all 3 DR's and see plenty of fish but there are times where they won't show, the balls do and there is a fish in the video stalking. Since were fishing pretty deep this time of year in California, 60 to 115ft the 20 degree beam is definitely wide enough for the cone to catch them. It's been an interesting observation mainly when you have single fish stalking.

What unit are you running?

I run my tackle about 18 to 24 inches behind the camera and the Kokes don't seem to care as they are not line shy for sure. Water visibility can be a factor here as the lakes are pretty rich in plankton etc this time of year so a longer setback for me won't work very well. I need to get this thing up to Tahoe and see how it looks as I should be able to see them at quite a distance.

Kevin

adobe wall · 08-24-2008, 11:37 AM

It's a Lowrance 527C DF iGPS. Probably a settings issue with your unit. The dowrigger balls show as multicolored solid lines- if there is a fish or anything else of different density it shows as an arch or disruption completely within that solid line. The dodger shows as a dotted line immediately under the downrigger ball.

Learning to use the depthfinder to it's full capability has been a heck of a learning curve. One thing that really helped was setting it to show water between the thermocline and lower limit of where I expected to see them. If I try to watch too much of the water column, the unit has trouble showing the detail to pick out individual kokes among stronger returns like downrigger cables, balls, flashers, etc.

The lakes I fish, 30 to 70 feet brackets the fish nicely. There may well be fish deeper but I take the position that they're not worth going after. If I see a bunch of returns at 65 feet I'll open up the field of view and take a look- but generally these turn out to be clouds of pikeminnows. They are pretty easy to distinguish from kokes on the chart due to different density verified by occasionally dropping the gear down to catch and confirm.

If I have the depthfinder set up properly the fish can't hide from it. I do have a lot of trouble going from lake fishing to rivers though and still have not even come close to getting the unit dialed in that well on the Columbia.

There is a lot of hate and discontent on the web about Lowrance's customer service but the product is outstanding. I just hope I don't ever need to get it repaired.

I've had other fishfinders that I considered to be less accurate than a rock tied to a string.

Put some of your videos up sometime, a bigger database of actual koke behaviour would help us all.

regards, aw

HiTechKoke · 08-24-2008, 12:54 PM

Definitely narrowing down your upper and lower limits will make a difference as it all comes down to pixels and resolution for your screen size. Same story here.. dial it to your thermocline and just past the depth you intend to fish or want to see. I'll put it in 2X mode when line spread is tighter as well. With my unit the I can record the soundings to hard drive on the unit and then transfer out to PC to relive the moments a bit which is fun, particularly when you have spectacular schooling going on.

My video library is starting here... nothing too exciting yet until I get to the ones where the fish took the lures...

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...623AD7014D44DE

My interaction with Lowrance support has always been good...but that was within my warranty period of course. :-)

Quick Fish · 08-30-2008, 11:05 AM

Thanks guys, the videos are fantastic. It looks like we have to add another category to the scorecard: Check-outs. Now we have marks, check-outs, bites, hooked, lost, caught.