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Old 04-20-2003, 09:16 PM   #1
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Default Chinook Primer Pt I

Hi Y'all, with all the sharing & "feelin' the love" lately, I thought I'd share a few ocean chinook trolling tips. Note that I'm not talking about coho; Oregonians know enough about catching them. I'm talking about big boxes of big fish:



I'm gonna focus on "junk" (lures) not bait right now. Starting with hoochies. There are hundreds if not thousands of different hoochie patterns. It could drive ya nuts trying to choose:



But there is a small handful of patterns that I guarantee you will work well in most conditions. It's kinda like matching a fly to the hatch when flyfishing. About the most awsome condition for chinook is called "brown water", which is from lots of upwelling. The plankton blooms, the krill shows up, & the water temp is between 50 - 54 degrees. In these conditions the absolute killer is this little guy, Luhr Jensen part# c28cr "olive" shown at bottom:



Note that the base plastic is transparent. The top two are Golden Bait p/n omw60r which is opaque. This works OK, but the c28cr is best. Use these with a red hot-spot flasher in brown water.


A close second in brown water are the white patterns. However, whites will work in more different conditions & depths than any other pattern. If you could only have one hoochie, it ought to be these:



The top two are "glow in the dark." It has a yellowish tint to it, compared with the two below. The bottom two are the venerable "purple haze." It is NOT glow in the dark (except the eyes). However, if you look at it closely, it has a purple glow to it. A number of different hoochies get called "purple haze." This is the one I learned, and it will hammer the fish in either brown water up high, or clear water down deep (like on the bottom in 40 fathoms).

When the upwelling is over, and the water warms up above 55 degrees, and gets real clear, this guy (p/n 15r but sorry I don't have mftr) is another killer:



When you rig a hoochie behind a flasher (which you nearly always do) it needs something to fill the head. The best thing to use is a "gum pucky" which is a silicone rubber bullet with a hole in it. Yes some folks use plastic bead or plastic ones, but most highliner commercial fisherman will only use gum puckies. The best hook is a durnickel curved point. 7/0 (shown) is a typical commercial size or for "heavy" sport gear; 5/0 would be for "light" sport gear. The gum pucky fits in the hoochie real snug, and the knot can be shoved up snug into the hole:


My favorite thing about hoochies & big curved-point hooks is that nearly every time, the fish gets hooked real well

Next post: Part II, flashers & spoons.

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Old 04-20-2003, 09:41 PM   #2
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Coooool! Bring it on!

This is gonna be fun!

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Old 04-20-2003, 10:07 PM   #3
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Thanks, Mark.
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Old 04-20-2003, 11:03 PM   #4
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It is nice to see this kind of tech sharing, I am feeling the love brother...
Thanks [img]graemlins/hearton.gif[/img]

My favorite has been a green and glow hootchie fished behind a bronze and chrome or green on chrome flasher
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Old 04-21-2003, 04:00 AM   #5
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Great post. Thanks
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Old 04-21-2003, 06:47 AM   #6
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Thanks for the info, Mark... now its off to Englunds .... again...
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Old 04-21-2003, 07:15 AM   #7
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Mark, what can I say but awesome!!!! :grin: .... thanks brutha.

Never applied that much thought to hootchies. I'm kinda stuck on whole herring. Is hardware for commercial trollers because it is easier to fish? Does anyone use bait?

Where do you get a 'Gum Pucky'?

Is the hootchie ever fished with 2 hooks?

Come on you guys ... give it up. We all know something we could share.

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Old 04-21-2003, 07:38 AM   #8
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Thanks Mark! One for the Archives Pilar!
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Old 04-21-2003, 08:02 AM   #9
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You're welcome, y'all! Couple answers:

- gum puckies at most commercial gear stores;
- commercial style is one big single hook only;
- yes I love to use bait (whole herring & anchovey; no cut plug); that's a whole 'nuther chapter.
- You bet commercial guys use bait. It's just that bait (1) costs a lot; (2) is more time consuming; (3) has to be kept frozen for days at a time when trip fishing, which is an added hassle; (4) is a hassle & expensive when you get into junk fish like whiting & dogfish. In certain conditions, esp. when it's a wide open bite, lures work just as well. Other times though bait will outfish anything. I used to bait up 200 - 300 hooks before a trip.

SHould have added this: Seattle Marine has a much better hoochie selection than Englunds:
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Old 04-21-2003, 12:05 PM   #10
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Thanks MMc appreciate the info and the effort to inform the ignorant among us, me.

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Old 04-24-2003, 12:06 AM   #11
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Old 05-28-2003, 08:09 PM   #12
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A fellow salty dog asked me about these posts, so here they are, ttt again.
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Old 05-28-2003, 09:04 PM   #13
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All this information and its FREE!!

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Old 07-16-2003, 09:26 PM   #14
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Mark,

A great series of posts on how to catch chinook. It obviously needs to be bumped to the top so that Stick Flicker has some good resources to work from.
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Old 07-16-2003, 09:50 PM   #15
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Mark,
Thanks
I new the white was a good one. It's something that I use often out in the blue.
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Mark, thanks again bro.
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