springers on MC

Marc400 · 02-17-2004, 09:05 PM

out sunday on the MC at #6 and got 2 to take home and turn 1 lose. There starting to come in.
Had a lot of truble with the Guides forcing me out of where i was..... Guide boats can be such a pain in the you know what......

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ZaQ · 02-17-2004, 09:06 PM

See, now I am going to have to call in sick. [img]graemlins/eek13.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/idea.gif[/img]

skybuster · 02-17-2004, 09:22 PM

Not all guides are like that. I have several guide friends that are very courteous. It is early in the season though and if you are enjoying success I am sure the guides will want to see what you're doing.

I was anchor fishin for springers in the CR 2 years ago on a Saturday. We got out a little late becuase my crew had enjoyed a few too many the night before. I motored to what I thought was my own secret spot only to find 3 guides and 2 others settin' there. I yelled at the crew for costing us a fishin spot and started lookin upriver.

I ended up fishin a few hundred yards above where I wanted to, but I liked what the bottom looked like on the Lowrance. After hooking our 3rd fish within an hour I made the command decision that we would not drop off of the anchor with any more fish. I also instructed the crew to quit hollerin everytime a rod went down. We ended up with 5 keepers, 9 to the boat, and no one below us was the wiser.

Marc400 · 02-17-2004, 09:23 PM

Hey Zaq you should take a day or 2 off there here LOL. Sturgeon are in the mouth of MC realy heavy right now to i have seen 7 45"+ just last week :smile: it was great to see all them..

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Marc400 · 02-17-2004, 09:27 PM

Skybuster that might be true for some but when thay force you out off your hole that your in realy makes me mad thay would not give me any room to move.... it was for the bull that i left

B-run · 02-17-2004, 09:56 PM

I have to ask?
How did a guide boat force you out?
If you slip spot, anyone may slide in,unless you drop anchor w/bouy, rude or not, but no matter what the status of the boat, be it pleasure or business, we all have the same right of way.?

skybuster · 02-17-2004, 10:08 PM

I will assume that you were trolling if you were springer fishin in the channel. I know that some guys do anchor in a few spots, but the majority trolls.

If you were anchor fishing I guess I don't see how they forced you out. Did they physically move your ball while you were fighting a fish?

If you were trolling it's a different story. When you're trolling and you hook a fish you pretty much have to expect that everyone that isn't catching fish within about two miles is going to fire up the big motors and b-line for wherever they think you hooked the fish. It's just part of the game.

Did they tell you to move?

I actually had a guide tell me that I was in his "slot" down at Astoria a few years back. I paid no attention to him and kept fishing. Definitely do not let yourself be bullied out of a spot.

Marc400 · 02-17-2004, 10:14 PM

Skybuster i was anchored in the spot and thay moved to with in 6-12" of my boat and left me no room to even pull my anchor thay where real ass about it when i asked them to move over....

skybuster · 02-17-2004, 10:30 PM

That's bad!

I'm glad I wasn't out there for that cause I don't think that I would have handled it very well.

I have had my run-ins with different guides, but for the most part I have earned some respect. I would recommend that the next time this happens you simply hold up your fish and start talkin trash. It should get the guide and his customers excited. And try to remind the guides that you are just out there to have fun, and obviously don't get to spend as much time on the water as they do, so could they please not ruin your trip.

If you really want to get them excited just pull anchor and re-drop about 100 feet below them!

Marc400 · 02-17-2004, 10:37 PM

Skybuster lol that sounds like a good thing to do to them show them thay dont own the river LOL... well i know i will not be so nice next time...

B-run · 02-17-2004, 10:39 PM

First off, a guide with any credibility would not do that to anyone.
Second, they ask you to move when you are already anchored.? or holding in a spot?
That would not be a guide that would act that way.
If so, I wish him luck for future clients.
Word of mouth on the rivers spreads fast. [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img]

Marc400 · 02-17-2004, 10:46 PM

B-RUN i know that most of them are not like that but there are some that are.... :depressed:
He will never get my biss that is for sure...
I think he was trying to make sure he was going to get fish....
Some day i will try out a guide...

Tacklebuster · 02-17-2004, 10:46 PM

Mark400- That takes a lot of nerve for someone to get that close to you. I guess you took the high road by moving but DO NOT let anyone force you out of your spot. At the very least I would have made that guide and his/her paying customers very uncomfortable by the days end. The very thought of this get's me fired up

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Space · 02-17-2004, 10:54 PM

I just have to throw this out there. Were you anchored in a popular trolling spot?? It sounds as if you were. Judging by the amount of guide boats behaving in the same mannor, I would also bet they brought this fact to your attention. Word does spread quickly. Remember this is how they make their living. Return customers are very important to them.
I'm not saying the way they behaved is right or wrong. It just sounds like you were going against the grain in that area.

SPACE

Marc400 · 02-17-2004, 11:03 PM

Space Fish it is a very popler place to ancher not trolling it is 60 feet deep there..

Quasimodo the fish killer · 02-17-2004, 11:05 PM

get their hull numbers and turn them into the marine board.

when a guuide gets a licence they are expected to be curteous to other boaters on the river and act in a professional manner.

after a very upsetting day on the elk river I was shootin the breeze with a state police officer and he told me to get their numbers and call the marine board they will contact the guide and warn them about the complaint. a giudes licence is a conditional permit and it doesnt give them the deed to the river.

I dont know if it will change the guys attitude or not some people were just born to be jerks.

I have found that marc is right if they muscle you then muscle them back they arent going to want their customers to see them get their rears kicked. I am pretty laid back but if someone just keeps messing with my day I have been known to pull anchor and drop it right in the middle of their lines.

Quasi

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Marc400 · 02-17-2004, 11:12 PM

Quasi that is a good thing for me to know :smile:
next time i will do that i am new at it but i have learned a lot from my uncle....
I am new here at Ifish so you all have told me alot....

Thanks all
Marc

Space · 02-17-2004, 11:19 PM

Well if that is the case then you need to be commended on keeping your KOOL in such a tough situation. I was fishing in Oregon City last year in the Garbage Hole area. No one was anchored in the hole so everyone was trolling. A guy in a large glass boat comes in and throws his anchor not 4 feet behind Mr. Priddy's guide boat as he was back trolling through the hole. This was un called for. It was my feeling that since no one had started the hog line earlier that morning the hole was now going to be a trolling hole. There must have been 30 boats working the area, all back bouncing in the same manner. There were three or four guide boats that acted as you described earlier. I felt they were warrented in thier actions due to the poor behavior of the anchoring fellow. Just thought I would share some reasoning behind my earlier post. The guides know where the popular anchoring vrs trolling holes are. At least you got some great early season success. Thanks.

SPACE

Marc400 · 02-17-2004, 11:30 PM

Hey Space it was very hard to do thanks

DF · 02-17-2004, 11:58 PM

Iv'e been out a few times, sturg fishin only, havent tried for the springers yet.... anyone know how in the WORLD the gravel barges are getting past the mouth? boats anchored EVERYWHERE :shocked:

Claybear · 02-18-2004, 02:55 AM

I know how that is, had it happen a couple of years ago. I also remember when everybody anchored up real close with the bumpers out and I mean real close. That was a number of years ago which dates me a little bit.

Chrome Bumper · 02-18-2004, 07:12 AM

Gravel barges are confined to the channel with limited maneuverability. You anchor up in the channel and you will be responsible for repairs to the paint on the barge and damage to the tug's props when they run down and chop up your boat, gear and crew.

Anchoring in a trolling area is kind of like moving your restraunt table onto the dance floor for a better view of the action. Can't you just get along?

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glowball · 02-18-2004, 08:59 AM

I'll have to hand it to ya for keeping your cool. I don't go for people trying to big time someone and I'll let em know it. I don't care if you have the president in your boat, stay out of my space. If you were there first then you are the one that sets the precedent for that hole. Regardless of its a trolling hole or anchoring hole. If they want it one way or the other bad enough they'll learn to get up earlier like you did.

suckerfish · 02-18-2004, 09:01 AM

What is the exceptable distance between boat in a hog line. There have been a few instances wher I was forced out by guys getting to close. Putting bumpers out is not what I call fishing. I finely lost it last season, when I was off my anchore fighting a fish. I come back in and the two boats both chocked in and left me no room to return to my ball. I gave them a warning and then said I was coming in. Once back on the float I was ready to rumble with these guys. After that, they gave me a little room. Oh ya, I was the first guy to throw out the hook.

suckerfish

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Abalone · 02-18-2004, 09:11 AM

I have a friend that took his kid to fish the Columbia for Fall Nooks. He went to the same spot he always does and Moran was Anchored up about Fifty feet from SSS. When my friend dropped his anchor and started back Moran started his kicker and blocked him from dropping back. My friend asked why and Moran told him. " If you want to fish here you are going to have to get up earlier in the morning"
To which my friend replied to his clients " How much does he charge to fish with an As___e"

My friend left and went home he didn't want his kid to experience a bad day.

I hope I didn't violate any IFISH rules but this is the truth so help me.

Not all guides are bad but some are #$#$^^

chynook · 02-18-2004, 10:09 AM

Let's see here.......Middle of February......maybe 20 boats fishing the channel for springers, since the Columbia is open.....One boat catches a couple of fish.......a greedy guide sees this.......and next thing you know the guide shoehorns into the spot. This time of year you can anchor wherever you want, there are plenty of good trolling areas that are not being fished. The only problem I see here is that one guide who thinks he owns the river got greedy and ruined someone's day, save for taking a couple of fish home. I would be willing to bet that I can name that guide - I have had a couple of run-ins with him before. Had you stayed there and crowded him out of YOUR hole, he would have left in about a half hour. I will not name him, but I wish you would have moved him off your spot. Giving him the hole just let him know that he can still get away with his crap whenever he wants to cause he is a "professional" although he's kidding himself and his clients.

Abalone · 02-18-2004, 10:27 AM

Be careful. I got into a rant about the guides once and was put on notice that IFISH is sponsored by guides.

My Feelings: Most if not all of the guides on this site are outstanding. Marty Peterson is one example. Unfortunatly there aren't any restrictions on who gets a guide liscense. Basically a $50.00 fee a first aid test and Coast Guard approval.

I would think that the Guides would want to protect their trade. Try to represent themselves as a group of dedicated professionals providing a service as most of them are.

So before this thread gets thrown into the Bit Bucket I would like to get some Positive input about
this issue.

There is a guide code of ethics that is administered by the State and the Marine board is interested in any complaints.

But don't get too nasty with your comments or the Mod Squad will get you. We have all had those experiences.

Airborne · 02-18-2004, 10:33 AM

similar guide experience early in the season last year, I was with a friend in his sled anchored not far from shore and not another boat in sight (mid week), no where near the center of the channel when he comes by with 4 clients in the boat just as I get this massive pound down, as I play the fish he slows down to yell at us and tell us we are in trolling water only and that someone should cut our line if we don't move, he watches as we boat a nice keeper and continues to cuss at us in front of his clients as he passes. We boat our limit and short time later guess who mister unhappy guide and clients with no fish boo hoo. He then proceeds to blast us WOT with a huge wake as he passes not more than 10ft from our boat. On his last attempt to show us who owns the channel we hold up our fish with big smiles. I could see in the clients eyes "why don't we fish next to that boat" which would have been fine.

02-18-2004, 12:37 PM

There are no fish in the MC all season. Go to Sellwood and Oregon City :shocked: :shocked:

Everyone gets along in that area Tacklebuster, trollers and people on the anchor. If you don't, go somewhere else. [img]graemlins/idea.gif[/img]

ZaQ · 02-18-2004, 12:43 PM

I agree with ******, there are absolutely no fish in the channel other than catfish and walleye. Don't bother going there for Springers.

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Tacklebuster · 02-18-2004, 12:50 PM

I get along with just about anyone until they start banging my boat, tangling my gear, and threating to cut my line. Not everyone get's along in the stretch of river, if so no one would be forced to move when they were there first.

Airborne and Marc400 were encroached on and disrespected.

02-18-2004, 01:10 PM

I meant "in general" Chris and was not telling you to go somewhere else.

In general, the MC is a very user friendly area. I agree with you totally otherwise. :depressed:

It's break out the knife in the teeth, we are boarding you, for the no brainer situations you describe Tacklebuster.

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Rick

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RIPPLE · 02-18-2004, 01:15 PM

Nope, no fish in the channel- They haven't used that route for 20 years. It's a nasty, cranky person place with wicked snags, williwaw winds and wild crocks, yeah thats it big toothed crocks. Please stay away. Besides if a puny sub par salmanoid wants to take a short cut on the inside of Sauvies Island, you don't want to catch the little mealy meated slacker anyway.
:grin: RIPPLE :grin:

1 Smart Fish · 02-18-2004, 01:39 PM

Hey guys,

I have never gone springer fishing in the MC or the Willy can you guys help me out.....

night stocker · 02-18-2004, 01:50 PM

Where are you guys fishing anyway?I feel left out.I haven't run into anybody with a bad tude yet in the channel.It seems like a good group of people fishing there in the years I have been fishing.Everybody gets along.People anchor,troll,everybody doin there own thing without any trouble.It ain't Oregon City. :smile:

Dipnet · 02-18-2004, 01:53 PM

Might I add, THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NO FISH in the channel

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Dipnet :grin:

Cowlitz77 · 02-18-2004, 02:13 PM

Have to put my 2 cents worth in. Rude acts on the water are not limited to any one group or specicfic to any river or waterway. I would hate to see all guides labeled as rude. You will find people everywhere who dont seem to respect others. But luckily the good times and the good people who fish far outway the rude ones

ANDYCOHO · 02-18-2004, 03:20 PM

Yes some Guides may be rude and even hostile. But I have a different take on a guide that wants to anchor close...

I have invited some guides to anchor close, I find that if you extend a little courtesy to them, maybe the next time they will extend a little courtesy to you. Be it a little room in a hog line, some hot info on a spot that is producing fish, a color or lure that has been hot or just some good BS. They spend a lot of time on the water as well and are a great resource of info.

I spend a lot of time on the water and enjoy having and making friends out there, you never know when you may need their help...

JawHooker · 02-18-2004, 06:33 PM

I have experienced this type of pressure from both guides and personal boats. I have held my fish up and asked Clients of guides how much they would pay to fish with me. Usually upsets the guide however have had several follow up conversations with these same guides on days that followed and once the "you respect me, I'll respect you" conversation takes place, have shared many tips, slid to the inside or out to make room for on another and actually have had great times next to someone that the first meeting didn't go so well with. If we all show mutual respect, help those that need it and accept help from those with more knowledge, we will all enjoy the River more.

HOGTIDE · 02-18-2004, 07:00 PM

Kinda funny sitation. I fish the channel lots. Don't think I've seen a guide out there, yet. Only a few boats working the salmon water. Lotsa room as everyone is working for sturgeon. I almost wish there were 'more' boats so I had some folks to talk to. 3 fish in one boat is an unbelievable accomplishment at this time...way to go!

Jettin' Fool · 02-18-2004, 07:13 PM

The MC is a great place to fish. Except when That one guy in the Blue Willie w/top keeps yellin "get out of my channel!" at everyone. :tongue:

Jfool

blacktail519 · 02-18-2004, 07:16 PM

HOG TIDE,,, What chanell are ya fishin [img]graemlins/eek13.gif[/img] ?????????? During the spring, there are lots of guides, and lotsa boats!!

5-Cents · 02-18-2004, 07:21 PM

Trolled the MC for 5 hours today without a touch for two rods. There were probably about 10 boats working above Coon Island and everybody I talked to said 0 fish. Finished up at Sand Island fishing Kwiks for a few hours without a bump.

HOGTIDE · 02-18-2004, 07:45 PM

No, no, no....I mean ...so far this season, not many boats or guides out! I know the channel gets plugged with boats later on. :smile:

Hey,,,maybe THAT's what I have doin' wrong. I just keep trolling back and forth in that slough behind Portland Meadows and all I ever hook are carp :whazzup:

02-18-2004, 07:56 PM

Yes, a few are coming and stacking at Sellwood and Oregon City, but real early to get all that excited yet. What we can all hope for the most right now, is for the MC and the Willamette to be fishable, more than it's not fishable early in the season.

It will heat up some about mid-March.

Still fun trying though, when the water is not chocolate. Jet

You know that ain't true. :grin: How can that be, when I am asleep in my easy chair on the anchor? :tongue:

Rick

Tacklebuster · 02-18-2004, 10:47 PM

Rick- I didn't take your post the wrong way brother [img]graemlins/hearton.gif[/img]

I guess I'm still a little POed at the moron that saw us catching sturgeon last Friday on the channel and dropped his anchor 30 feet above my boat, drifted behind my boat about 75 feet, then had no sea socks to hold him steady and drifted directly below my stern. I even casted into his bow trying to get his attention to move. When he did decide to move he tangled my ball around his prop and drug me upriver about 50 feet

Anyway, I do agree that there are some great people in the channel, I just wish I would meet a couple someday :grin:

Tacklebuster · 02-18-2004, 11:25 PM

I think the guide or guides that have encroached or have been out of line both personally and profesionally need to be named for the internet to see. When and if it happens to me you can take it to the bank I will write a formal report describing the events and air it out for potential and future clients to see. Just because someone makes a living on the water does not mean they have any more rights than we do.

I have absolutely nothing against guides, netters, comercial fisherman, charter captains, and sportfishers. I do have a huge beef with greedy, big headed, out of line idiots that abuse others on the river. DO NOT put up with it.

CATCH AND EAT · 02-18-2004, 11:44 PM

Warning, whatever you boys do, do NOT fish up in Oregon City area. If you have 6 inches you are considered lucky. Be sure to take your fenders with ya if you do go. They are necessary.

To bad about your experience in the MC. Better luck next time and congrats on the fish.

DF · 02-19-2004, 12:04 AM

I was out the other day, And didn't see ANY action, most the people I saw were chasing gators....Mac...its 60 feet by #6? [img]graemlins/1zhelp.gif[/img]

Chrome Bumper · 02-19-2004, 07:13 AM

The fishing in the channel is terrible, that is why the guides are so grumpy.

Never any fish there, nope never. :depressed: I think it is because of all the sewage the local towns and houseboats dump in the river.

Lots of grumpy pushy people and no fish, nada, none. [img]graemlins/icon_argue.gif[/img] The Columbia Slough by PIR is LOADED with Vanport salmon, :grin: you know the ones with big scales.

Now that is the fishery of kings.

Seriously, until it gets crowded there is plenty of room for everyone, especially it you stay near the edges. They can troll around you, although if more than a few trollers appear it would be polite to relocate. Close passes are OK, rude comments should stay at home.

Guides should not be hogs.

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IFISH4U · 02-19-2004, 07:25 AM

Its easy dont let them force you out, must have been some pretty disrespectful guides. All I know is I wouldnt do that, but you do have to stand your ground.