Closed... Pilar on his way back now

[OceanBlue]

Let me know ASAP - Pilar is on his way to Astoria this morning. Get your orders for gear in now.

Tuna:
Barbless doubles?
200# mono?
Handline materials?

Hali:
Circle-hooks?
Longline clips?
spreaders?

????

[ 04-14-2003, 01:43 PM: Message edited by: Pilar's Mate ]

[bait boy]

15 barbless doubles

[OceanBlue]

John says that barbless doubles run about $35.00 for 25 hooks. Anyone wanna split that order with Bait Boy?

[puffins crew]

Jen,

I will split a box with Rick.

Thanks for the input.

Peace, Tom

[OceanBlue]

Cool beans - got 15 for Rick and 10 for Puffin's Crew.

Anyone else?

[puffins crew]

Have John check on the hoochies for the "ling killer" jig that he showed pics of last year.

Thanks again,

Tom

[South Paw]

I'll take some hooks and some other tuna stuff at Pilar's discretion. I just talked to him on the phone.

[Miss B Haven]

A couple thousand square miles of 69-71 degree water and some flat ocean! :grin:

[OceanBlue]

Miss B: would you like that delivered to your home or office? :grin:

[edsr]

If the offer is still open - Please put me in for 10 barbless.

I don't know about long-line clips, mostly cause I don't know what they even is.

edsr

[OceanBlue]

edsr - I'll let him know.

The longline clips look sorta like giant safety pins. I'm sure Pilar will show and tell on Friday. I've seen the clips, but I don't recall seeing them in action. :whazzup:

[Taylor's viewpoint]

Am I too late to get some glow in the dark hoochies and circle hooks for hali's.
15 of each please.
Thanx, TV

[OceanBlue]

TV - You got it. John's on the road now. He'll call me when he gets to Englund's in case there are any more requests.

Keep em comin'... I think it will be at least 1.5 hrs before he's there.

[Miss B Haven]

Wow- This is taking WEB shopping to a whole another level! :grin:

[OceanBlue]

John's gonna look into some small versions of tuna feathers/clones. When I was in CA, every shop told me they did exceptionally well on the smaller gear last year. I did pick up one hex-head clone while there, but I'll tell ya, they cost as much as the full-sized ones!

[Miss B Haven]

I did well on homemade "feathers" last year. A large Octopus Hoochi slid over 2 -1 oz egg sinkers. Use beads between the sinkers and the hook to space the hook back to the rear of the skirt. All my hand line fish came on these. The rest were on poles with cedar plugs waaayy back.
They are smaller than a regular feather set up, esp. the cross section in the water. Maybe that's why they liked em? I dunno but a I have yet to catch a fish on these fancy $25 dollar feathers with the plastic heads I bought (there a small version of a Marlin lure basically).
There cheap, quick and easy and hoochies/skirts come in a Bazillion colors! If I get chance I'll bring some to the gearhead session! :grin:

[OceanBlue]

John just called... he's there now. Says he'll probably be there at least an hour :shocked: and will call me again before he leaves...

Still time, folks. Anything you guys in town want, but can't get at Fisherman's or ?? lemme know now.

[HawgJaw]

Hi Jen, If I'm in time, I need the big glow in the dark hoochies for halis. I've only been able to find them in the salmon size 4-5". thanks

[OceanBlue]

Yew got it Casey. How many?

[fish assassin]

Howzabout if he brings me home a 50 lb. bag of hundred dollar bills?
My tub could use some maintenance. :grin: :grin:

-assAssin-

[PeterMac]

Jen, is it too late? The only thing I think I am lacking are the double hooks for the tuna feathers. I can split a box with someone?

PeterMac

[corrirod]

No sweat Jen. Thanks for checking.

[Gizmo Man]

Mate: thanks...he got me. Do appreciate yours and John help. What a great group of folks. All willing to help.

Thanks Again.

Giz...

[OceanBlue]

PeterMac, I think we can cover you.

Corrirod/Casey: He's got the circle hooks covered. Have you checked the Fisherman's Marine at Delta Park for the hoochies? I seem to remember seeing some last fall. OC store didn't seem to have as good a selection of saltwater gear last time I was there.

Giz: Sure thing. Do you know if he was sucessful in actually getting out of the store yet? :grin:

[ 04-14-2003, 01:21 PM: Message edited by: Pilar's Mate ]

Longline Clips? What use would one have for longline clips? I use them to add a bit more weight to my (sinking) crab line. I might even have 6 or so extra in the barn :grin: if someone needs one or two.

[OceanBlue]

Holy moly Keta. I guess we should know by now that we oughta check with you before purchasing anything from a store.

Tell ya what? Here's something for you to do: Take inventory of everything in that barn, categorize it and post it here for us. No telling what we could use. :grin: ... or what we might be able to create

[OceanBlue]

John's on his way back now with all kinds of goodies... and I think he'll have a story to tell about the experience, too... [img]graemlins/program.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/icon_argue.gif[/img]

[HawgJaw]

Thanks Jen.

[WP]

Though I did not need anything right now (read that as I have no free change as I ALWAYS can find something I "need"!) I did want to thank Jon and Jen for setting an example of the power and pleasure of sharing and helping. I hope that I will always be as thoughtful and accomadating as I find them. Good Show!!!! The world is so much better that the two of you are in it.
WP
[img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]
PS I just got my new GPS plotter in the mail and I had to tell SOMEONE! It is way cool and a great omprovement over what I had...now if I can just get it installed, learn to operate it, and get a chart for it....I will be just smilin' happy!
WP
:grin: :grin: :grin:

[Beer Waggin]

And I'm sure there's a smile on his face and an empty void where his wallet used to be! :grin:

[OceanBlue]

:blush:

Why, thank you

[South Paw]

Thanks for the up to date Jen. :smile: TTYL

[OceanBlue]

FA - he's at Englund's, not the MINT.

[corrirod]

I'd be in for some circles and hali hootchies also. 6-12 pcs of each or whatever is left.

[Gizmo Man]

Mate: any chance for any sardines while he is in astoria. He can call giz at 360 573-0111.

50 for $10 was advertised a few weeks ago.

I can meet him off 1-5 near Jollies on his way home.

Giz..

Send me his cell no, If I can talk to him.

[OceanBlue]

Giz - he's calling you.

Casey/Corirod - No glow in the dark hoochies. :depressed:

[Pilar]

I should not be allowed to visit that place unattended or without adult supervision.

It was not enough to get some fishing tackle ... but more on the solutions to long term boat problems later, after the installation work

I have a box of 100 16/0 circles, a box of 50 tuna barbless doubles, 20 glow hootchies in salmon sizes, a dozen Zukers in some styles and colors I did not know existed, longline clips for weighted crab trap lines, 200# Ande mono, handline cord, and, and, and, ...

Should I swivel the 16/0 circles for whoever wants them? This requires a vice and a pounding utensil ..

Story at Englunds. The sales associate was my best buddy while I was spending money. He followed me everywhere, helping like...

After checkout and post partum depression set in on my money ... I suggested he advertise on Ifish as only the Salty Dogs are likely to even know about Englunds or go there.

'Oh.....' and his demeanor changed completely. He turned and went for one last detail of the order. When he came back, not smiling, total change of attitude, He said ... 'I couldn't use that site for advertising ... too much anti Gillnet hysteria and anti commercial fishing attitude. And besides that's the problem with you sport fishers, you don't realize how many fish we produce for you to catch.'

So the message is being received. Englunds is in large part in business to supply commercial fishing. They like sport fishers to spend their money. But they percieve Ifish as messing with their rice bowl.

This was perhaps the most interesting part of the whole day.

[ 04-15-2003, 10:01 AM: Message edited by: Pilar ]

[Miss B Haven]

Can't blame them, they are in business to sell fishing gear to anyone who has cold cash or good credit.

Must be lurkers (or stealth members) working there. They probably get an earful from some of the commercial interest lurkers as well. [img]graemlins/icon_argue.gif[/img]

They do have a lot of feathers don't they I love the bulk packs. Gotta take a second loan out on the house for them though - ouch. Too bad you can't get a bulk pack with about a 4 of every color assortment.
You should try being docked all summer/fall only a 10 minute car ride from there. The only good thing is a)they close early on Sat and are not open on Sunday and b) I don't drive by there n the way (I use 26/Seaside)- otherwise I'd need a restraining order on myself! :shocked:

[Pilar]

Mel, with 10 you get eggroll. Zukers are now up to $8.75 for each or $82 for 10. I worked em a little with the bulk buy angle and got an assortment for the 10 pack price.

New colors include black/purple broomtail and rootbeer broomtail as well as the tried and true green/yellow and green/yellow/white.

I managed to walk away from the handline bite-bells. These go ding when you pull the lever for $29 each. One is not bad but I would need at least 3 as I fish with handlines all the time. This is on the list for next time.

[fish assassin]

Englund Marine Supply ... The candy store for us BIG boys!!



-assAssin-

[Mark Mc]

Stump time! I think the sales rep's attitude is a little short-sighted. At Englunds in Newport, they sell an awful lot to sport fishers. Sure, not as much as to commercials. But at the rate things have been going, someday they may not have enough commercial fishing business to sustain them, while sportfishing continues to grow. Furthermore, I'd like to think that it's not so much the heavy-duty ocean sportfishers (as a group) who may be "bashing gillnetters". Too bad they feel they must "take sides" instead of embracing all fishermen & women.

Off stump.

[ 04-15-2003, 11:54 AM: Message edited by: Mark Mc ]

[HawgJaw]

That's so cool, they sell tackle and they produce fish for us to catch. [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img] What a store. HJ

[Pilar]

The bag limit on hats is one on your head at once. I think the sales rep I talked to was exceeding the bag limit on hats. He was wearing his part time job hat (gillnetter or related to gillnetter or rice bowl engraved w/ 'gillnetter') at the same time he was doing his day job and wearing that hat.

'We produce fish for you guys' was agitprop for "we gillnetters produce fish for you guys".

I guess if you spew the BS long enough, you begin to believe it. As has been researched by some of our curious members of ifish there is no provision in the Mitchell act linking hatchery production to gill net fishing in the Columbia river. It can be argued that these guys showed up at meetings and lobbied congress for funds but that was not an act of altruism on their part.

They ( Gillnetters association ) would like you (Sportfishers) to believe this propaganda that without them, fishing as we know it would end and without their economic contribution, the coast of Oregon and Washington and the small towns on the lower Columbia River would dry up and blow away. Well, not in Forks or Raymond anyway, rains too much there.

Why not, our elected officials believe it in the face of much evidence to the contrary.

[ 04-15-2003, 03:00 PM: Message edited by: Pilar ]

[OceanBlue]

And They (Englund's) don't understand the impact of the sport fishers on the economy - that they have an untapped market. They (Englund's) think that if they start to "get in bed" with ifishers, the Commercials will be angry with them and take their business elsewhere.

They (gill netters) are scared of sport fishers because They (gill netters) are losing their grip on any rationale to continue to do what they do.

[corrirod]

I understand your point Mel. But on the other hand, Englunds will be stocking the stuff we buy regardless of what happens to the nets.

All I know is everyone who owns there own business should always be evaluating the future direction of their company. Adaptation is the key to survival. When the nets are gone I'll bet Pilar gets treated a little differently! :tongue:

[Clamman]

Um...knowing the Englund's and being a frequent purchaser, they have continued to enlarge their sportfishing section, but make no mistake, they began with commercial fishing and will probably always be oriented that way.

Gillnetting is a minute portion of the commericial fishing they deal with. You still have crabbing gear, shrimping gear, sardine seines, trawl nets, troll gear, longline gear, blackcod pot gear to name just a few. The named fisheries dwarf and I mean dwarf gillnetting.

Please realize that businesses on the coast DO rely on local money and jobs most of the year. Sporadic seasonal recreational fishing seasons only make up a part of their business.


Clam

[Miss B Haven]

Don't disagree at all about the net business folks. There are plenty of other commercial customers out there too, not all of them are even fisherman. Englunds is not a tackle store, they are a Chandelry who has some tackle (just happens to be some we are interested in).
I just don't want to see Englunds turn the way FMS did. FMS used to be the premier tackle store. Then they decided to go for the "sportsman" market and the GI Joes look. Nice place to shop for clothes now (maybe).
Bottom line is that the sportfishing tackle retail bus is a low margin, high volume cutthroat business. I really don't believe that Englunds could stay open in Astoria, Newport or any other small coastal community without catering to the commercial customer base. So... be careful what you ask for!

[Fishplay]

I love Englund Marine. I have always received excellent service at both Newport and Astoria. Their prices are good and their inventory is better than Fishermans Marine ever dreamed.

Nothing burns my bottom more than to drive 70 miles to find half empty shelves and a constantly rearranged store. The last time I was there I even had the help leading me in circles around the store in search of tuna gear. When we finally found the stuff it was in a pile.

I think your right about too many hats. In customer service one has to remember which hat he is wearing.

I wonder if he has been to Ifish or has formed an opinion from gossip. I don't see a lot of anti commercial fishing posts. What I see is a genuine concern over one particular method of commercial fishing.

I would just like for them all to step out of their Extra Tuffs and Grundens long enough to see the irresponsibility of some of the methods used. When you make your living from a public resource you shouldn't snivel when the public asks you do it with integrity.

I for one am not anti commercial fishing and I know for a fact that Pilar isn't either. We have discussed this viewpoint more than once at ODFW meetings when we were involved with the offshore issue.

I understand his concern about advertising here and the perception his bread and butter customers might have. What I don't understand is his degenerative attitude towards a customer simply because he mentioned an affiliation with a web site. :whazzup:

[ 04-16-2003, 12:43 AM: Message edited by: Fishplay ]

[Miss B Haven]

Pilar - next trip I'm just tying the handlines to the deck crew. Keeps them awake and out of the cabin! No monitary cost involved either! :grin:

Hmmm.... now where to put that knot :shocked: :grin:

[corrirod]

I wonder if the owner of Englund Marine has this attitude? Sounds like they need a marketing consultant. I've always wondered why they don't attempt to gain more sport fishing marketshare. With a little reorganization they could own that business thru-out the entire NW.

I certainly wouldn't be banking on gillnet sales to support me in the future.

[Miss B Haven]

Rod - I think just the opposite. They "own" most of the commercial business in their local and there is intense competion (note I did not say quality competion) in the sports market. Larry tried the "corner the sport" market approach. The catalog/web order bus really hurts, a small tackle store owner/guide once told me they were tackle "ladies of the night" (use your imagination as to what he really said). :grin:

We salties like Englunds because we use a lot of the stuff the commercial guys use, big, tuff, quality tackle. I think we're getting a deal cause the commercial business supports their ability to stock the stuff we want. If it wasn't for the commercial bus. it would look like GI Joes or FMS.