Grand Slam ?????

[wak'm&stak'm]

....since they have a Grand Slam in warm water (tarpon, bone fish, permit).....shouldn't we have a NW Grand Slam? If so what would it be?

I am think'n Halibut, tuna and chinook.....in the same day....any thoughts?

[Sensei-san]

That would be a good grand slam on days when halibut is open. How about adding ling cod?

[Uglygreen]

Before I discovered Tuna fishing, This was the Astoria Grand Slam



UG

[Salmonator]

I thought my kid had an Astoria slam here. Sturg, nook and coho all before 10:30am :tongue:

[skein]

Oh, man, I just knew someone was gonna think of this.

...in the same day...

How many hours in that day? 12? 18? 24? Or are you thinking of a "check-in" time?

Uh...who's gonna leave tuna town just so they can fill a salmon tag?

I can see the glaze coming over many of the salty dogs' eyes...

Skein

[corrirod]

I believe we already have a trophy for this event assuming Sturgn wants to give it up from last summers event!

[wak'm&stak'm]

Hey Rod ...I think the was the Grand Slaughter award wasn't it. and there could only be one who could achieve such a fine reward.

I like the ideas so far and nice catches. Whatever the combo is I think it should be difficult to achieve.
Your right about the halibut, because of the seasonal factor.

Maybe we should take suggestions and then put it up to a vote....

[sturgn]

Hi, I am the Holder of the Salty dog trophy, and I am ready to pass it on, so lets look for the next halibut round to get something going!

[OceanBlue]

One word:

Halingnookbacore!

[Mark Mc]

A good choice date for this contest would be the August halibut days. Usually flat calm & the tuna are here. Last year (August) we had halibut & tuna the same day on Marty's boat. Year before that on Phil's boat (also August), we had 3 limits of halibut, a 24# nook, & one ling at the chicken ranch, then got 4 tuna about 3 miles SW of the chicken ranch.

[WP]

A salmon...a Tuna...a halibut...and a ling! That would be a heck of a slam to me! Do able but a stretch. What a way to spend a day!
WP :grin: :grin:

[Pilar]

I think the CR grand slam has always been the Sturgeon at low tide, a quick 10# silver off the #1 GREEN CAN and then hours of retreading silvers looking for the chrome hog Chinook. That last hot salmon summer in the early '90's ('92?), I did that on my little 'Frog', 6 weeks in a row. Not just a Grand slam but boat limits too. We had them dialed and the fishin was unbelievable.

As mentioned above, Florida is the home of the flats slam ...Bull Redfish (>10lbs), Tarpon and Bonefish. There is a tournament every fall in Islamarada to celebrate it called 'Red-Bone' (REDfish BONEfish). Traditionalists think this is a fly fishing only show. But it is possible any day of the week/365.

The joke or 'Trash can slam' is a Jack Cravelle, a permit and a Snapper.

So if we are going to have a left coast version of the old grand salami it should be doable during the entire fishing season. That takes the whole derby fishing vs weather aspect out of it. It has to be all about the fisherman and his skill, perseverance and knowledge not about some guy lucky enough to have the right day off.

In Baseball the grand slam is about reading the pitch and spanking the tater over the fence when the bases are loaded. Grace under pressure ... skill.

In Oregon the fish that are there all summer are Salmon, sturgeon, Tuna (2 or 3 species), Swordfish, Marlin, Shark (Blues mainly but also Gt. White, Mako and Thresher) Halibut in shallow water, Lings and Rockfish.

Of these the Salmon and sturgeon are the most caught. Tuna is caught on good weather days. Rods are removed by Bluefin on some days. Catches of bluefin are rare.

I propose a Grand slam would be a limit of Salmon and two species of pelagic fish. Albacore and Big eye or Bluefin. The problem with this is that Salmon fishing can be time consuming. Tuna fishing is fuel and distance consuming. Are these two trips safe together? The main problem I have with including Halibut is that you are fixed to specific locations and only a few days a year. You will have to plan your trip around no choice of heading regardless of weather and extra time on the water.

With Tuna you can choose your heading and where to fish as the fish move and are not tightly tied to structure. You can also fish any day of the week all summer

What do you guys think ... should we do a poll? It has to be doable but pretty special. In the years of fishing the keys I have NEVER got all three fish of the grand slam on the same day. It is very hard to do.

[ 05-26-2003, 08:19 AM: Message edited by: Pilar ]

[Sensei-san]

I'm with WP. I like a grand slam of salmon, halibut, tuna and ling for an OCEAN grand slam. you could also add sturgeon for the Columbia River crowd but that limits the area to CR. Plus sturgeon fishing is a waiting game and consumes lots of time. Time is at a premimum if you are thirty miles or more out to sea fishing for tuna and halibut and have to run back to sit and wait for a sturgeon.

The exotics like swordfish, billfish, bluefin tuna and mako sharks don't always swim by and a grand slam should be doable in a normal year. A grand slam should be fun and sporting. Not a search and destroy expedition at any cost and time.

I like having the option of halibut as it truly makes it a grand slam. Presently we can only fish for halibut on open days and the summer season is limited. That way the intention of fishing for a grand slam is known. We can call it "Pilar's Silver, Brown and Blue Tournament".

Maybe we can develop a purse like the Bisbee's Black and White. I 'm sure Phil Knight and Bill Gates will chip in.

It would be fun to see hundreds of boats charging out from Dopey Bay and Newport and coming back with their flags flying.

Hey... there is an idea??? Does any one make flags of salmon, lingcod, halibut and sturgeon?

[ 05-26-2003, 11:38 AM: Message edited by: Sensei-san ]

[Mark Mc]

Consider the August all-depth halibut days for this "derby", with halibut/salmon/tuna/ling as the 4 bases.

The chicken ranch is a perfect jump-off point for chasing tuna. You cross the rockpile to get to the ranch. There are also other deep-water ling & halibut spots to the north (i.e. Nelson's island area). This presents many different strategies: do you try to get your halibut first, then a few tuna, then salmon/lings at the end? Or do you favor the "early morning bite" typical of salmon, then chase the others?

Sure, it narrows it down to two days, but the weather is usually flat on these August days, and the timing is perfect for both tuna & salmon.

Heck, make it a two day contest to spread out the luck! Launch out of Depoe one day & Newport the next.

Oh here's a good one: team event! Everyone pairs up with a buddy boat. They split up, one chases salmon & the other tuna; they help each other get on the fish (otherwise everyone might dummy up). Endless options here....

[Sensei-san]

Announcing the 1st ANNUAL PILAR SILVER, BROWN & BLUE OPEN FISHING TOURNAMENT, AUGUST 1&2 2003. A Grand Slam in this tournament would be for each angler on a vessel to catch in twenty four hours or less: one tuna, one salmon, one ling cod, one halibut. Greater numbers will add to the total point score of the winning boat. Less than a grand slam would count as a single, double or triple.

The proposed course of this event is as follows.


The catch must be verified by ODFW dockside fish checkers or authorized ifish members. As August 2nd is an all waters halibut date all boats must check-in by midnight of August 2nd. GOOD LUCK!

(I just want to see how crazy Pilar is.... I bet I can get a live one....)

[Miss B Haven]

Pilar said: "Rods are removed by Bluefin on some days. Catches of bluefin are rare." :whazzup:
And just how do we know this?????

[Pilar]

Sensei San ... I would skip the Chicken Ranch and get 3 of the required fish for a grand salami at the rockpile, drift mooching. And then if the wind was calm, I would run to N44 54.968' by W124 39.342' for a little cark and bark on the TUNA!

(edit ... oops I goobered the waypoint, better now.)

Can you launch at one port and recover at another?

What is the distance to the far left point on you chart? Looks like you drove right past 2 or 3 temperature breaks on your way to Atlantis. Gotta be what? 60 miles out.

Don't drive past the fish!! Find that first temperature break and start fishing.

This looks really hard. Maybe a 5% success rate for all 4 fish in the boat in one day.

Limiting it to one short tourny also increases the difficulty. There are days on the ocean when you can tool around at will. That's the day to go for a grand slam. They rarely coincide with something you scheduled in advance.

[ 05-27-2003, 08:43 AM: Message edited by: Pilar ]

[Sensei-san]

Actually the far W numbers are where the tuna where last year. It is 90 miles from Newport. If I were to do the grand slam I would probably do the same thing as you propose. Drift mooch the Rockpile (which is spot #1). You would probably get three of the bases there then motor out to the ranch if you didn't get a halibut and then look for the bluewater to get the fourth. The hardest might be chinook. You could troll near the beach after getting the three bases.

I think the chances are very high that an ocean grand slam could be recorded this year. Rich and I missed one by only a salmon several years ago in August. We didn't even think of trying for salmon. And we did it in sixteen hours.

[OceanBlue]

So... how many fish would qualify you for the Grand Slam? One of each species? I can't imagine you're thinking that you're going to get limits on tuna (or any other pelagic fish)

The Pilar would sink! Unless you were to go crewless.... :whazzup:

Hey, we could add to that - If anyone were to catch any shrimp on top of their grand slam, they'd be the Grand Slam Grand Pubah!

[fish assassin]

Hey PM,

If'n you're going to add shrimp to the mix, you had better add in some of
them thar Orygone Lobsters (Dungy crabs) too!!


-assAssin-

[OceanBlue]

Nah. Them dungies are too run o' the mill.

Mayhap we add a "challenge" fish to the mix. Something to develop a new fishery. ANY new fish that we don't target today. That's where the shrimp idea came from (yeah, right! Nice cover for "I want some of them tasty critters" :grin: )

[Sensei-san]

Nah... Dungies and shrimp are pot fishing. Not actively trying with a rod and reel. I think that extra points might be attached to have a catch and release phase. Maybe Chumking could give us some training on tagging and we could do some tagging as part of the tournament. Not much is known about the movement of the pelagic species off the Pacific NW. Especially if a mako or thresher was caught.

I'd better get my videocam so that I can record my catch and release.

[Booja 1]

To all you guys who go for the slam whatever the total species might be I say more power to ya,,,but for me when dem albies are on the bite, I didn't know there was anything else to catch in the big pond............Is there??????

[Booja 1]

Hey Mark...Thx for the pic with your limit of salmon and the albies..Man whatta combo day you guys had..Albies look like a good grade too..I guess any albie is a good grade,, even the peanuts all taste the same...................

[OceanBlue]

Sensei - shrimping may be with a pot, but I assure you it is actively trying at this point , since we haven't yet figured out where to PUT the pot (no wise-cracks, now... )

[Mark Mc]

Booja...see my posts above. I didn't even mention this day, which was a few years ago:



Salmon in the AM, tuna in the PM. Oh, we hooked & released two huge silvers on the tuna gear 24 miles out on this day.

[Pilar]

[ 05-27-2003, 03:22 PM: Message edited by: Pilar ]