White Corn

[salmontroller]

I use shampoeg white corn for kokanee...the small 8 oz or so can goes a long ways...does anyone have an idea once the can is opened as to how to keep the corn in usable condition next time fishing..lets say over two weeks....I tried refrig, but still gets sticky and soft..tried freezing, still somewhat soft..maybe have to accept thefact that need a new can each time even though only use about 1/4 of the can. Thanx for your input.

[Brookiebuster]

I haven't tried it before but maybe you can vaccuum seal it. I'll give it a try and find out next chance I get.

[adobe wall]

brining it will toughen it up. I take 1/2 can per trip, usually fish most weekends so I keep a can a week (unbrined/uncured). What will cause it to get soft quick is allowing it to get warm while fishing. Keep it in the cooler between bait stops and it will really make a difference. Compared to the other costs of doing business with the kokes it's not really an issue.

FWIW, p-ride brings some kinda cured and anise scented corn and does well with it in my boat. I still fish undoctored corn.

regards, aw

[Gizmo Man]

Where do you guys find the best place to buy the white corn and has anyone tried white corn on the cob?

thanks, Giz...

[SilverBullets]

If it's Green Giant White Shoepeg Corn, I drain and freeze what I don't use. Next time I need it I put it in the refer to thaw, take what I need and refreeze what's left. I always sprinkle some Wizard Kokanee Killer Korn Magic on the corn when adding scent to toughen it a bit, stays on hook better, and keeps it from spoiling. To get it to last longer, keep it cool in ice chest while out on the water. When I come home from a day of fishing, I put the scented corn I didn't use in the refer for the following weekend. I always make up new batches of scented corn every 2 weeks.

[P-ride]

Originally Posted by adobe wall

brining it will toughen it up. I take 1/2 can per trip, usually fish most weekends so I keep a can a week (unbrined/uncured). What will cause it to get soft quick is allowing it to get warm while fishing. Keep it in the cooler between bait stops and it will really make a difference. Compared to the other costs of doing business with the kokes it's not really an issue.

FWIW, p-ride brings some kinda cured and anise scented corn and does well with it in my boat. I still fish undoctored corn.

regards, aw

I do like curing my corn. First of all it lasts alot longer. Cured corn will probably last a month in your fridge. Also it toughens it up so I think it might stay on the hook a little better.

I use Pro Cure's Korn magic. It's in a small shaker bottle and you can find it at fisherman's and most likely joe's and sportsmans too. What you do is drain all the liquid out of a can then put a good amount of the cure on top of the corn in some kind of container. The next day more liquid will have come out of the corn so drain that too. Then I like to add scent to it, anise is my favorite but I've also had success in the past with garlic scent and a anise/shrimp combo.

What AW said is also important. Try to keep it in a cooler as much as possible or at the very least out of the sun. Also just like he said, it's one of the cheaper aspects of koke fishing so it's not a huge deal, but when you start adding different scents, it's definitely nice to have it last more than a week.

[adobe wall]

Originally Posted by Gizmo Man

Where do you guys find the best place to buy the white corn and has anyone tried white corn on the cob?

thanks, Giz...

Nah, the whole cob would be way too big for kokes.

The canned stuff ****must**** be Green Giant brand white shoepeg corn, or you ain't fishing. Available at Safeway among many other places.

regards, aw

[stupenny5]

I open the can and place content in those little cups with lids safeway sells put the containers in fridge and keep on ice in the boat. It works for me plus you can try different brines and lable container easy.

[P-ride]

Originally Posted by adobe wall

Nah, the whole cob would be way too big for kokes.

regards, aw

I would love to catch a koke that can take a whole cob!!!

[jzell]

Best way to get the maximum life of a can is to.....

VACUUM SEAL



between uses.

You can get several months life by resealing.

These lids are available for the "Food Saver" brand models.

Google "Food Saver Universal Lids"....

"But corn may not be necessary to catch Kokanee and in some states is prohibited."

jz

[dlm]

JZELL, I have been looking for those lids but have not found them.....any help???

Granted, I have not checked the internet which I guess is pretty stupid in this day and age......

I have used a pint jar with my vacumn sealer but have to keep replacing the lid.

[FallRiverGuy]

Originally Posted by Gizmo Man

has anyone tried white corn on the cob?
thanks, Giz...

I know of one person on this board that uses fresh white corn and likes it better than canned.

[Chesapeake]

Call me crazy, but I've never tried the canned corn. I always figured the cooking that must happen during the canning process would soften the corn.

I use the frozen stuff, or just buy a ear of corn and shave it with a knife. I just keep it in the freezer and take it out when I go fishing. I just put it on the hook semi frozen and keep it in the cooler. It goes back in the freezer when done for the day.

[Flat Lander]

Originally Posted by jzell

Best way to get the maximum life of a can is to.....

VACUUM SEAL



between uses.

You can get several months life by resealing.

These lids are available for the "Food Saver" brand models.

"But corn may not be necessary to catch Kokanee and in some states is prohibited."

jz

That looks like the ticket there. I just put the corn in old Power Bait or egg jars and keep the corn as cool as possible. I also add a little scent and let them soak.

[Gizmo Man]

Originally Posted by FallRiverGuy

I know of one person on this board that uses fresh white corn and likes it better than canned.

FRG: thanks for the info. I have seen fresh ear white corn in the stores and was wondering if it worked once cut from the cob... Still working on getting your way to fish again. Went to Hawaii last yr when the group went to Sunriver and looks like I am heading to Maui this Oct.


AW: thanks for the humor in your reply.



By the way to anyone, what does the corn represent to the fish? Grubs? Why use it at all?

Giz...

[FallRiverGuy]

Originally Posted by Gizmo Man

By the way to anyone, what does the corn represent to the fish? Grubs? Why use it at all?

Giz...

No one really knows what it represents. Jzell just returned from Flaming Gorge and did not use corn. I have heard more than once a lure not tipped with corn can be more productive than one with corn. Jigs are often more productive without corn so it make sense that other types of lures should be effective without. I just need to take the time to try it when the fishing is good.

[Chesapeake]

This last weekend we fished with corn, without corn, and with a chunk of worm. It didnt seem to make a bit of difference.

Most of our Kokanee were caught on a K4 kwikfish with no corn.

My vote is: If you can use the corn with out effecting the action of the lure then use it. If it effects the lures action then dont use it.

[adobe wall]

Just looking at the action of wedding ring with and without corn on the fish TV, my own theory is that the corn imparts an erratic action to the spinner that causes the fish to strike.

I'd imagine small bits of foam or powerbait crappie nibbles would have the same effect and that a lure with a naturally erratic action would benefit the least from corn.

Scent? I'm still sitting on the fence on that one.

As for fishing with the whole cob, I think that actually would work on Merwin- as a jerk bait for tiger muskies. Saw a big one right at the end of the dock early Sunday.

regards, aw

[moknots]

Would you go to a baseball game without a ballcap? I am sure a sombrero or one of those goat roper hats would work, or you could just go get your bald spot sunburned and skip the hat, but comeon, what about tradition? Ok, I just use corn because everyone else does. I like the discussion. Maybe I am wasting my time brining, scenting, coloring? Or maybe not. Mmmm.

[dlm]

After trolling for 15-20 with no action following a couple bites I convince myself that my corn is gone, reel in and find out 99% of the time I am correct. Other than that crazy action in May I have never had success without corn.

[jzell]

dlm, (and anybody else interested)

Google....."Food Saver Universal Lid"

There ya go.

jz

[happybrew]

Originally Posted by salmontroller

I use shampoeg white corn for kokanee...the small 8 oz or so can goes a long ways...does anyone have an idea once the can is opened as to how to keep the corn in usable condition next time fishing..lets say over two weeks....I tried refrig, but still gets sticky and soft..tried freezing, still somewhat soft..maybe have to accept thefact that need a new can each time even though only use about 1/4 of the can. Thanx for your input.

I open a can the day before I and put it into baby food jars, then freeze what I'm not using for the day. I add anise scent to it so it soaks in really well. I've never had issues with it being unusable, as long as I freeze it right after I open the can.

happybrew

[P-ride]

I've read a good amount about kokanee fishing and these so called experts don't know exactly why it's white corn that these little buggers like. Some speculate they look like maggots(which is another good bait, i've read but never tried) some say grubs some say just because.

As with all fishing, I believe alot of your success comes from confidence what the gear/lures/bait gives you. Personally I feel more confident when using white corn and feel like I'm almost not fishing when I don't have any on my hooks. Personally I also like using scented corn(with anise my go-to scent) but like to have some non-scented corn and usually at least one other scent with me for those tougher days. I'm trying to get AW on the scented corn bandwagon...

[No Wishin Just Fishin]

I think the grub theory. Use a #6 hook and put the corn in a straight line on the shank only leaving the hook exposed. Your strike amounts will definitely go up.

[capron6]

Kokanee without corn? Never. At first I was skeptical but no longer. Corn itself is a good attractant. Scents and oils are even better. There are many available and of course the jury is out on which is better. Most of them will work, and some work better that others. Then add another variable, color. That also makes a difference. I am a firm believer that scented and colored corn will catch more fish and have proven it to myself. Yes you will catch kokes with grubs, shrimp, worms etc. I won't argue that but corn is still better. Ever try to catch a salmon with a bare hook? It is a known fact that kokes have a sweet tooth. Therefore corn, being sweet, is good by itself and then you can enhance that. Anise is a great choice because it is sweet, but be careful, because if you use too much it will repel kokanee rather that attract them. The scents and oils create a trail for the fish to follow. Personally, I will never fish for kokanee without corn to tip hooks with unless deemed illegal. BTW, jzell did not use corn at Flaming Gorge because it is illegal in those waters. Fish cannot digest corn, and in quantities it plugs up their digestive systems and kills them. Flaming Gorge folks still use scents and gels to attract fish, also grubs, worms etc. most of which are scented in some way. So, lets catch kokes, use corn.

Corn, scents, color absolutely.

[jzell]

"BTW, jzell did not use corn at Flaming Gorge because it is illegal in those waters."

And saw first hand that it isn't necessary.

jz

[adobe wall]

I guess you can only speculate on if the fishing would have been any faster with corn. I found a jar of crappie nibbles and may try those this evening when I hit Merwin.

regards, aw